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Hi,
Is it possible to win 2nd Bull Run on day 2 as the Union, on MG level.
Or does it always go to day 3.
Many thanks
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21 hours ago, BCH said:
add it to your bucket list for when you get to this side of the pond..
Gettysburg did not end the American Civil War; but after the battle was over, it was obvious that the Confederacy would ultimately fail.
Since discovering rather recently that I had a relative that served in the 143rd PA Vol. Inf. Regiment, I have been doing research on the regiment's history. I will be trying to visit all the battlefields and camp locations in which they were located; and I will be mapping their travel routes. Gettysburg was their first engaged battle; they were assigned to the 2nd Brigade, 3rd Division, 1st Corps. They were positioned at McPhersons Farm on July 1st and were the last regiment to withdraw back to Cemetery Ridge; most of their losses occurred on July 1st, total losses for the 3 days were estimated at " 253 killed, wounded, or missing out of 465 engaged".
The regiment went on to fight in such major battles as the Wilderness, Petersburg. My relative survived the war and was promoted to Corporal toward the end of the war for 'gallantry at Gettysburg', (important because it greatly increased the military pension)(what specifically he did for that at Gettysburg I have not yet discovered). I did discover from newspaper accounts that he apparently drank heavily from time to time in his later years; after reading about the specifics of the battles in which he was engaged, I fully understand why.
21 hours ago, BCH said:add it to your bucket list for when you get to this side of the pond..
Gettysburg did not end the American Civil War; but after the battle was over, it was obvious that the Confederacy would ultimately fail.
Since discovering rather recently that I had a relative that served in the 143rd PA Vol. Inf. Regiment, I have been doing research on the regiment's history. I will be trying to visit all the battlefields and camp locations in which they were located; and I will be mapping their travel routes. Gettysburg was their first engaged battle; they were assigned to the 2nd Brigade, 3rd Division, 1st Corps. They were positioned at McPhersons Farm on July 1st and were the last regiment to withdraw back to Cemetery Ridge; most of their losses occurred on July 1st, total losses for the 3 days were estimated at " 253 killed, wounded, or missing out of 465 engaged".
The regiment went on to fight in such major battles as the Wilderness, Petersburg. My relative survived the war and was promoted to Corporal toward the end of the war for 'gallantry at Gettysburg', (important because it greatly increased the military pension)(what specifically he did for that at Gettysburg I have not yet discovered). I did discover from newspaper accounts that he apparently drank heavily from time to time in his later years; after reading about the specifics of the battles in which he was engaged, I fully understand why.
Hi,
Definitely on my list.
Amazing to discover had a relative fighting there.
Hope your able to research his full service history.
Best wishes
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On 6/6/2019 at 3:54 AM, BCH said:
Lee heads back south, Meade is slow to pursue; the inhabitants of Gettysburg will deal with the carnage for months; and vultures numbering in the thousands will annually roost on the Round Tops...
Game battle statistics:
Union vs. CSA
Inf. 33,615 vs. 89,058
Cav 1,831 vs. 1,709
Art 6,685/270 guns vs. 6,902/282 gunsLosses
Inf. 14,001 vs. 66,650
Cav 974 vs. 1,141
Art 1,709 /59 vs. 5,257/209
Missing 123 vs. 991Not sure why I continue to be blessed with such scaling; but again I overcame the odds.
The final phase of the battle played out like its historical counterpart; CSA brigades did cross The Angle only to be driven back by Union batteries and a flanking maneuver by the Union left flank. CSA batteries however, were not a factor; most had been destroyed in the Day 1 & 2 phases
I Corp Ist division's 5 brigades are all 3*
2nd division's 5 brigades have three 3* & two 2*
3rd division's 5 brigades have two 3* & three 2*On to Bayou Fourche..
Footnote:
My wife and I once walked from the start of Pickett's Charge to the Copse of Trees at the Union line; she kept asking me "Why would you cross all this open ground into cannon fire and then volley fire by infantry?" . I still do not have an answer..
If you have the opportunity to get to Gettysburg.. make the same walk, your perspective of the battle will most likely change from what you read in a history book.
We also had the opportunity to attend the annual reenactment on the 150th anniversary of the battle (held on farm land outside of Gettysburg, similar terrain and all that..). They had the largest assemblage of Civil War cannon (some from the period, the rest functional reproductions) for the reenactment since the battle itself; if I remember correctly it was 110 guns (brochure is still around somewhere). To demonstrate the artillery duel prior to Pickett's Charge; the batteries (dressed both in North and South uniforms) would all go to one side of the reenactment battle field and fire several rounds and then they would limber up and go to the opposite side of the field and repeat. This gave the spectators a very realistic view of what 100 or so cannons look like when firing in a line. The distance was approximately the same as the actual battle; these guns were only firing 1/4 to 1/3 charges but as a spectator you could feel the concussion wave all the way across the battlefield.
If I can locate the photos of the event, I will post a few. (will also be able to confirm if it was the 150th or another close to that)>
It was in 2007, making it the 144th anniversary; my wife has reminded me we did not want to deal with the crowds that were anticipated for the 150th
Thanks for the report.
I envy you being able to visit the battlefield. Unfortunately I am the other side of the pond.
Though I am hoping to visit some of the battlefields in Europe.
Best wishes
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RESULT OF THE BATTLE OF MALVERN HILL (playing as Union, on MG)
Union Infantry 40350 CSA Infantry 50751
Cavalry 500 Cavalry 0
Guns 68 Guns 80
Casualties And Losses
Infantry 12655 Infantry 27130
Guns 1 Guns 2
Cavalry 147 Cavalry 0
Missing 0 Missing 109
Grant was assigned the task of stopping the Rebs advance. For this he was assigned 24000 Infantry and 28 Guns.
His tactic was similar to that used at Gaines Mill. Grant concealed a Brigade armed with Ferry’s on his left flank. The right flank, although at least 2 Reb Brigades were seen on the far side of the river, looking to flank Grants right. Were ignored by Grant ! (After the battle I did question this decision with him. He replied he was expecting me to arrive with reinforcements and I would deal with them ! He was going to “hold the line”. I was flattered by this. Also very relieved his trust in me proved correct. The 2 Reb Brigades were checked. I sent the remainder of my Brigades to aid Grant.
The Rebs tactics were the same as Gaines Mill. They just kept sending troops in to break Grants line. Grants troops held and Grant was reported to be at any point where the line seemed under threat. Encouraging his men to hold.
A few points were noted by Grant.
At Gaines Mill most of the Reb Brigades were nearly 3000 strong and were 3 star. At Malvern, they were down to 2500 or less. Being 3 and 2 star. It appears the South is running out of seasoned troops.
Also, over 3000 Patterned 1853 Enfield’s were captured !
Grant praised all his troops. But was particularly impressed with the skill of 2 Artillery battery’s. Both were 10x 10PDR ORD. The first commanded by Zook killed 1994 for the loss of 18 men. Adams Batttery suffered no casualties but inflicted 1568.
Thankfully, Officer casualties were low. 1 Officer was KIA. 2 were wounded. But their wounds are not considered serious.
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15 hours ago, BCH said:
BG Thomas Frances Meagher (pronounced Mar) had the Irish Brigade ( the 63rd, 69th, 88th NY Regiment, 29th 28th Mass, 116th PA) primarily armed with the 1842 .69 cal smoothbores loaded with buck and ball (1 full caliber ball with 4 smaller cal. balls); as casualties escalated through out the war, the Irish Brigade was eventually armed with rifles (or what was left of it; too many close combat frontal assaults).
However, those 1842s loaded with buck and ball were devastating at close range.
Mayre's Heights effectively was the end of the Irish Brigade as a brigade sized unit..
Hi,
Thanks for the info.
By the time they reached Mayre’s Height. It would not have mattered what they were armed with - poor fellows.
Very interesting to learn.
Many thanks.
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On 5/23/2019 at 4:04 AM, BCH said:
Sure is.. have one unit equipped with JFBrowns.. they are hidden most of the time.. I am in the endgame of Stones River.. that unit has accounted for over 1,000 kills now.. and I believe no losses.
Should be a victory.. need to manage the end game carefully to keep casualties down.. CSA losses are well over 50%; at least it seems to be correct.
I’m sure they are doing the job.
But I’m still fielding troops armed with rebored Farmers. Nice and cheap ! 😏
Weapon damage of 18.
Rebs cannot just ignore them. They are taking casualties instead of my better quality troops.
If they keep up the good work. May rearm them with better weapons.
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BCH.
Your ahead of me !
Currently engaging Rebs at Malvern Hill.
So far have noticed the Rebs Brigades are still mostly 3 stars. But no longer 2950 strong. Now to to 2500 max.
Starting to show this war of attrition is reducing the numbers of veterans the CSA can field.
Hope to have details of the out come in the next couple of days.
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Re Gains Mills
I believe a special mention should be made to the two newly raised Brigades armed only with Farmers.
They successfully attacked the Rebs right flank. Stopping two 3 star Brigades numbering almost 6000 men from assaulting the Union line.
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After action reports for Gains Mills. At MG level
Union vs CSA. (Battle results screen)
Union 40006 Infantry CSA 58702 infantry
790 cavalry 0 cavalry
43 guns 82 guns
CASUALTIES AND LOSSES
11667 infantry 25130
0(17) (290) 11 guns
237 cavalry 0 cavalry
79 missing
The Union suffered only 3 Officers wounded. 6 were promoted.
The Union main Corps, under Grant, consisted of 32400 infantry, 0 cavalry and 28 guns.
I took command of the smaller Corps of 7606 infantry, 790 cavalry and 16 guns.
Grant placed his initial troops at the defensive line. With 2 Brigades on the far left to be used to flank the Rebs. The same tactic being used on the right.
The Rebs were allowed to attack the defensive line. Heavy casualties were inflicted on the large Reb Brigades numbering 2950.
Grant did attack the Rebs left flank, with the 2 Brigades placed to do so. Slowing down the Rebs attack.
Once the remainder of Grant’s Corps arrived. Two Brigades were sent to cover McGee Hill.
Not until the second phase were the 2 Union Brigades placed on the Rebs far left flank brought into the action to harass/attack the Rebs right flank. They numbered 1800 men and 1700. Armed only with Rebored Farmers. They proved to be very inexpensive but effective in breaking up the the Rebs attacking the defensive line.
Once A P Hill appeared on the Union right flank. One of Grants flanking Brigades was sent to help delay their advance. Looking to do so until my own Corps arrived.
Grants delaying action worked well. My Corps arrived and McGee Hill was never in danger. Indeed, I sent some of my Brigades to help Grant.
In the centre a few of Grants Brigades were routed but reserves were able retake the line. With the routed Brigades returning to help. Plus the arrival of my Brigades.
The Rebs continue to attack. Determined to break Grants line. But his troops were also determined to hold.
Finally, the day came to a close with Victory for the Union. Despite the large size of the Rebs Brigades and most being 3 stars. Only 1 Union Brigade was a 2 star !
Can the CSA afford to loose so many veterans in this manner !
The Union intelligence service has advised the CSA will be able to still field 48-53k in the next engagement. Though this will be less 10% due to recent defeats.
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On 5/17/2018 at 10:55 PM, pandakraut said:
Big brigades are overrated
I've gone all the way past Chickamauga using nothing bigger than veteran units at 1.1k and rookies at 1.3k on Legendary and most of the army is at the Veteran size. May have had to bulk up slightly for Cold Harbor and those last few battles of storming fortifications, got distracted by learning how to mod the game though. With the current strength of artillery in the mod you'd probably have to go slightly larger since you'll take more casualties before you can kill them off.
I’m currently playing as Union on MG level.
On Gaines Mill almost all Reb brigades on 2950 men with 3 stars. Looks impressive. But I like to flank them with my max 2000 strong brigades or skirmishers. The large Reb brigades take some time to change their facing. Also, due to the 3 stars. They stay and take the damage. By the time they have changed their facing I have whittled down the brigade. Once facing me. I just withdraw before the can open fire 😏.
They then decided to go back to their original facing. So I advance and fire off more volleys ! Love it 😬.
Best wishes
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10 hours ago, BCH said:
As I said.. I will finish Malvern Hill after the conference.
Before I head out, some thoughts on the current version:
Cavalry is much more usable in my opinion, they can generally out run infantry and skirmishers now; they can be deployed in their traditional roles as scouts and flankers. As such they can turn the tide of battle when carefully managed.
Limber speed of artillery seems to me to be faster than when I last played about six months ago. This allows quicker support of Inf. in regards to repositioning batteries.
Even small skirmisher units are effective both as scouts and flankers.
Hopefully, I will play Gaines early next week.
Must admit I only use small numbers of cavalry. I do prefer infantry. I like to use skirmishes for flanking. Even small units concern infantry brigades and artillery.
If possible I do like my artillery close to my infantry. Not only to support them. But for protection against enemy cavalry.
As using Apple IMAC, I don’t have the various mods been introduced.
Best wishes
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4 minutes ago, nik_nv said:
I play MG legendary always.
This time the Gettysburg is very interesting, I guess because my total forces were weaker or equal to Union army.
During the first phase, the attack on that Oak and Seminary ridges was sooo realistic! The Seminary ridge changed the side 4 or 5 times, I captured it then had to retreat and like that several times! One moment I though I play against a human not AI.. such effective it was the enemy' defensive tactic. The first time I see the game behave such interesting. When my north corps came to the map, the Union brigades quickly retreated to the city and then to Cemetery Hill, like during historical battle, amazing! Usually, AI brigades are just standing and waiting when I crush them, but now I see something new.
I think due to numbers (almost equal) and quality of the forces (3 stars brigades on the both sides) the game used some different algorithms than usual..
Hi,
Many thanks. Does sound like it must have been very enjoyable to play. Especially with the battle playing as it did.
Plus of course, the satisfaction of the Victory. On MG level too ! Congrats.
May I ask if using Windows or Apple. I use an Apple IMAC and there has been a recent update. The update says it has improved graphics and AI !
Regards
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1 hour ago, BCH said:
After action report for Gaines Mills, played at MG lvl:
The numbers according to the after battle results screen..
Union vs. CSA totals brought to the battle
Inf. 20,650 vs. 60,501
Cav. 494 vs. 0
Guns(Men) 113(2,798) vs. 244(5,984)Losses
Inf. 9,416 vs. 25,155
Cav. 494 vs. 0
Guns(Men) 28(818) vs. 156(3.899)Union Victory
Hi,
Well done ✅.
As PK says. Worrying for Malvern.
Any thoughts yet. Re next course of action.
Best wishes
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12 hours ago, BCH said:
On to variation # 2 of the Union defensive line on McGhee Hill..
At the start battle screen.. I see CSA at 48,701 men and 172 gun vs. my Union forces of 24,932 and 113 gun.
I am going to attempt to exploit the Eastern woods defensive advantage across from the McGhee Hill objective. This means giving away the objective at some point and then retaking it and either Boatswain's Hill or Woods for the win.
Hi,
Many thanks for info.
According to my report/intelligence Service, it states the CSA will be at 55-60K. Less 5%.
I will be able to field a total of about 40,000 men.
Must admit I do not intend to field much more than 40 guns. I wish to field as many infantry as possible. Maybe a small brigade of cavalry.
I’m thinking to “hold the defensive line”. My main Corps will be much larger than my second.
I hope to blunt the Rebs attack on my line. If can do so. Will then worry about McGhee Hill.
Good luck.
Best wishes.
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15 hours ago, BCH said:
Malvern HIll is most likely not achievable without a reduction in losses at Gaines Mill; currently replaying Gaines Mill with an improved defensive line on McGhee Hill.
Hi,
May I ask your total strength for Gaines
Best wishes
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On 5/7/2019 at 6:46 PM, nik_nv said:
Finally I've got historically correct (almost!) Gettysburg. It was VERY hard and "very costly"..
At the end, after capturing Little Round Top, I defended it against arrived Union reinforcements (25000+) with few brigades each around 500-1000 men only! With only 15 guns..
Only the features of the capturing mod saved me..
Hi,
Nicely done ✅
May I ask what level you are playing on ?
Best wishes
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20 hours ago, nik_nv said:
Finally I've got historically correct (almost!) Gettysburg. It was VERY hard and "very costly"..
At the end, after capturing Little Round Top, I defended it against arrived Union reinforcements (25000+) with few brigades each around 500-1000 men only! With only 15 guns..
Only the features of the capturing mod saved me..
Hi,
Well done ✅
May I ask what level your using ?
Many thanks.
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12 hours ago, BCH said:
Nice tactic for Seven Pines..
Gaines Mill is a complete disaster so far.. scaling is as bad as Shiloh.. Union infantry was out numbered 4:1. If, the Union II Corp arrives, it would be 2:1 odds with no casualties, but of course there are considerable casualties.
(60.335 CSA Inf. vs. 12,950 Union Inf, I Corp)
I seem to lose Officers at a higher frequency when playing on the MG lvl; is is a feature of the mod?
Hi,
Thanks for that.
Sorry to hear not gone well at Gaines.
I have looked at the report/Intelligence Service, it states the CSA will be at 55-60k. Less 5% for previous encounter.
I have had a rough look and expect to field somewhere in the region of 40000 men in all.
I am looking to field in the region of 30,000 men for my main Corps. Obviously my 2nd Corps will be much smaller.
Re high loss of officers. It appears to vary for me. Can be high. Then other times not a problem.
Just to advise I am playing on an Apple IMac. There was a recent update. However, it was to do with the graphics and improved AI.
Not that I thought there was a problem there.
Best wishes
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Hi,
Many thanks.
Have just played Seven Pines. I’m also on MG level.
I decided to field a small force. Looking to the troops already deployed there to take the brunt of the fighting. Saving my troops.
I fielded just 8,351 infantry. I wanted to keep my best and we’ll armed troops for Gaines. So I raised a brigade of 2000, armed only with rebored Farmers, which I noticed was in my Arsenal. The other 5 Brigades were numbered from 1200 up to just 1400 men. All armed with M1842.
The 2000 strong Brigade was placed in the centre. Just behind the Victory location in some buildings. With hold orders.
Back up for two small Brigades in front of only about 650 men each. But well armed.
I decided to place two of my small Brigades on my left flank in the woods. To hold. The three other Brigades numbered 1400, 1350 and 1200 strong. Placed on my right flank. I had decided to look to roll up the Reb left flank and hold else where.
The plan worked better than I expected. To my surprise one of the main reasons for me was my raw 2000 strong Brigade ! The Rebs attacked the victory condition. My raw Brigade was superb ! Providing good support for the better Brigades in front. Enabling them to hold.
The Rebs did attack my left flank but were held. More Rebs were used to attack my centre. But I then started to push in from my right flank, broke the Reb Brigade which had turned to counter me. This enabled me to start to roll up the Rebs left flank.
Where possibly always used the troops supplied rather than mine !
Total Union troops were 14696 infantry with 15 guns. I do love a battle where I can use troops other than my own !
The Rebs fielded 16494 infantry and 15 guns.
Casualties were :- Union infantry 4442 CSA 12145 infantry
1 gun 10 men. 10 guns 249 men
1344 missing
My surprise is the 2000 strong Brigade armed only with rebored Farmers. But being in a good defensive position and firing at close range. With the high damage rating of 18 proved great. Has made me think there maybe a place for such troops in the right position. Especially as they are cheap !
I will now start to build my army for Gaines.
Would be interested to hear how Gaines goes for you.
Best wishes.
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6 hours ago, BCH said:
On Gaines Mills at the moment..
Seven Pines was a lot tougher than expected; I am fielding a full compliment for Gaines Mills, but more veterans would have been nice.
time will tell.
a bit of luck at Phase I of Gaines Mills.. I sent two cavalry brigades to the CSA rear.. caught A.P. Hill with his baggage train undefended; captured the wagons, and A.P.Hill is no longer in the field
Hi,
Near that stage myself.
May I ask what level are playing on.
Thanks
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On 4/23/2019 at 2:03 PM, pandakraut said:
You don't need to know them exactly, but it's useful to have a general idea how experienced each unit is and what they are equipped with. As people build their own armies they will often use some kind of naming scheme to help with this.
I tend to just go by the number of stars a unit has. Or lack of them !
I do like to know at a glance what the troops are armed with.
A couple of examples as below :-
Loomis R340 M1855. Thayer R250 M1842. Adams 10PDR ORD.
The R is for range. Followed by the distance.
Next to each Brigade it give the number of stars or not. Plus the strength of the unit. Or in the case of artillery, number of guns.
This may be more basic than some use. But I find I can look at a unit and know their experience and weapon very quickly.
But each to their own.
Best wishes.
On 4/23/2019 at 8:12 AM, Donkey Kong said:Thank you, this was very helpful, I'm going to try and take your advice and I'll post back here if I'm still struggling with the game.
One of the things that I'm also wondering, when you guys begin a campaign or battle, do you review all the stats and attributes of all your troops, such as morale, stamina, etc?
Do you think that is necessary to learn about the strengths and weaknesses of your army before you start issuing commands?
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4 hours ago, Donkey Kong said:
Thanks for posting those guides, I'm sure they will help.
I'm a little confused on which campaigns or battles you guys think will be easiest for me to begin with. For instance, not sure what you mean by "play the first couple of missions leading up to Bull Run", because Bull Run was historically the first battle of the Civil War, there weren't any battles leading up to it.
Bull Run is actually the first non-campaign battle that you can select, and you are immediately in charge of a huge army in a massive map, which is what overwhelmed me in the first place.
Thanks for the help so far!
Re confusing on Missions leading up to Bull Run
When playing the Campaign there are smaller battles/encounters before a major battle. These are smaller than a main battle.
But would not suggest starting a Campaign until understand the basics.
Therefore, using the stand alone battles to play. Bull Run is a good start.
Hope this clarifies it for you.
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3 hours ago, Donkey Kong said:
Thanks for posting those guides, I'm sure they will help.
I'm a little confused on which campaigns or battles you guys think will be easiest for me to begin with. For instance, not sure what you mean by "play the first couple of missions leading up to Bull Run", because Bull Run was historically the first battle of the Civil War, there weren't any battles leading up to it.
Bull Run is actually the first non-campaign battle that you can select, and you are immediately in charge of a huge army in a massive map, which is what overwhelmed me in the first place.
Thanks for the help so far!
I would not suggest starting a campaign yet.
First best to get use to how the game works by playing the fixed battles.
Only when understand how that works. Would I suggest starting a campaign
Best wishes
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If possible, you will find it much easier to use a mouse.
Re Bull Run.
If play as CSA. It starts with an action on the right flank. As the CSA your mission is to simply hold a bridge and a river from being crossed by the Union. Later, in the next phase more units (reinforcements arrive).
But this is a good battle to start with to look to get a grasp of the mechanics.
But really so much easier using a mouse.
Best wishes.
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I've gone all the way past Chickamauga using nothing bigger than veteran units at 1.1k and rookies at 1.3k
2nd Bull Run Union MG
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Hi,
It’s ok 👍
Yes it can.
Just finished it.
Victory to the Union 😎.