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  1. 1 hour ago, Teutonic said:

    I hope you and your friends and informants realize @Landomatic that I don't control the nation. I find it hilarious how that seems to be a sticking point when it is just not true. I don't control PURGE or WO or ROVER or FRN etc, etc. Even now each clan states what they do and other clans decide to follow or not. 

    I have played in sweden, france, pirate and spain, the later 2 being more like vacations. The only time you could say I ever "controlled" a nation was way back in early 2016 in sweden because we were the only clan and even then I had a group who helped make decisions. I have never led 100% led a nation and I don't begin to fool myself in believing that. Whoever you're "advisor" is talking about me doesn't know who I am, sorry bud. Go ask KoC, Slamz, Vardon, any of them. I may be pushy, but I don't tell them what their clan can and cannot do.

    But hey, lets see if you guys are any different this time and pvp. 

    "Give us common folk one taste of power, we’re like the lion who tasted man. Nothing is ever so sweet again." - Varys

    I don't know, you or your clan threw a pretty big fit when CCCP didn't recognize your 'position' as diplo for France over 'he who can't be named.' Unfortunately given the recent displays of behavior from your provided list of references (as of this morning someone who thinks aiming racial slurs at chinese are ok, an agitator, and a spying traitor) I'll take the word of our informants and players who've sailed with you before in those previous nations. When queried they had lots to say about you and your clanmates inline with our own perceptions and your actions in France.  Which is really unfortunate as it was quite a lot of fun to 'Bork' all over voicecomms with you guys. 

     

    26 minutes ago, Slamz said:

    In the middle of tremendously fun PvP, surrounded by other clans who like PvP, with the last of peacenik surrender-monkeys having finally used their forged papers to switch nations?

    I'm not saying I planned this.

    ...but I'm not saying I didn't.

    You finally made me laugh.  I love it.  We were the peaceniks who, when asked for conquest assistance in the defense and expedition of France were met with resounding answers from the Bork & Purge with things like:

    "That's too far to sail."

    "We'll be outnumbered, and we won't win."

    "That's too early in the morning."

    "We don't want to lose our ships."

    "They have more players than we do."

    "Taking that port doesn't make any sense."

    We peaceniked enough to force the Danes to the negotiating table while France was still trying to figure out who 'should' be in charge. When CQM mattered for a few weeks, you didn't mind the 'peaceniking' we achieved when you guys were rolling in the marks from port flips we negotiated.  But I imagine, we can probably go back and forth on this for days.  You guys are excellent Captains despite all this.  Maybe not diplomats, but definitely good Captains. Regardless, I look forward to the contest with you.

     

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  2. 5 hours ago, Bach said:

    It's an honorable thing to maintain a reasonable respect for your nation mates agreements with others. 

    I completely agree with you. Which is weirdly ironic as your clan's position on this matter is one of hypocrisy and eroded integrity, regardless of how you word it or wiggle out of your blatant disregard for the peace that was made before Bork and Purge needed to make their own; while crying wolf about the Terre regions which I'm told were useless to all parties involved.

  3. 2 minutes ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said:

    No, PvP is just PvP.  Occupying territories is a declaration of war.

    Oh ok.  Well I'm sure if you guys had just explained that to CCCP at the time that Bork & Purge decided to break the peace agreement and attack and sink their traders, they would have just understood that it's 'just PVP' and they wouldn't have wanted to fulfill some 'blood debt.'  I guess Pearl Harbor was just open world combat because there was no actual occupation.

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  4. 1 minute ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said:

     

    I don't remember a Danish region being attacked?  ICS "brokered" a Danish occupation of France, and expected everyone else to put up with it. 

     

    I mean, an attack on a national ship is like an attack on her crown, no?  Now that your clan has demonstrated OW PVP is your preference, why do you pretend to have had any care at all for the Terre regions? I get that you were upset we made a deal without you before France was organized. But, we already had an insider let us know you didn't care about the regions, and all the squawking was to reinforce your position of victimhood and martyrdom. Maintaining the lie now serves no purpose. But by all means . . . keep the charade going.

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  5. 3 hours ago, Teutonic said:

    Coming from the folks who said that nation flippers are the worst and they themselves up and leave. Good riddence, you didn't contribute to anything and now instead of doing missions at FR, you will be doing them at christenstad.

    Finally, now we can take and sink your ships. 

    It's hypocritical to shame Yoda for leaving France after you asked/suggested our entire clan leave her nation on French national discord. Nevermind the fact that I'm told you guys have been serial nation hoppers for quite some time.  Only complicit in carrying a specific flag once you have majority control over a nation's other clans.

    3 hours ago, Arsilon said:

    I find it very interesting you stand behind upholding one agreement to "defend "the Pirates yet you choose to violate another agreement for non-aggression against the French.

    You could very have easily said you value the agreements made and future relationship with the Pirates more than you do with the French.  While the French may not have liked that point of view, it would have been very much in line with what was agreed upon by all parties.  There was a very simple 72 hour clause that gave you the easy out and you would still be able to abide by both agreements made and everyone could have gone on their merry way sinking each other.

    Instead you choose the dishonorable path.  Shows true colors and that any previous misgivings and distrust were justified.

    When you guys (Bork/Purge) 'Pearl Harbored' the Danes after ICS brokered peace you didn't see the Danes in here crying.  They took action . . . but I guess only the most recent outrages of hypocrisy and treachery are relevant; you know the ones guys conveniently commit and then forget. Speaking of treachery, one of our informants indicated you guys cried wolf about the Terre region 'loss' for the sake of appearances so you could ostracize ICS, seize control of France, and have an excuse to attack the Danes without being labeled 'treacherous.'  It's actually pretty damned excellent work if you think about it. I'm also told you've attempted this in other nations you left after failing to usurp them.

    1 hour ago, Slamz said:

    For future reference, here is how the war is going to work:

    1) Danes take French ports.
    2) French literally ignore it.
    3) French continue to hunt primarily pirates.
    4) Pirates spread out more to avoid being easily targeted in one spot.
    5) French spread out more to keep finding pirates to hunt.
    6) Some French clans, finding it hard to find Pirates, spread back into the Antilles to also hunt Danes and Swedes.
    7) Danes can no longer safely grind missions or do trading in prime US time zones.
    8) Danes sweep South America, taking all Dutch ports.
    9) Danes sweep much of Great Britain, taking their ports, all during Oceanic time zone hours, but Brits keep grinding them back.
    10) Danes declare server victory and quit the game.
    11) French have been sinking prime time pirates and Danes this entire time.

    ICS didn't understand.
    CCCP didn't understand.
    BLACK doesn't understand.

    The way the game is right now, there is almost no reason for a PvP nation to care about port ownership. Between alts, capturing of ships and just regular war profiteers looking to make money, we can operate out of free ports and continue hunting and acquiring new ships. Is this a problem with game design? Should it work differently? I don't know, but it's the way it works today.

    The biggest mistake on the server will prove to be AUSEZ joining Denmark instead of fighting them. You could have had fun. Now all you have is empty port battles ahead of you, as far as the eye can see. France will not oppose you. For starters, we literally can't oppose you in your own time zone but additionally, we just don't care.

    I really only made this thread to jab CCCP for breaking the agreement, so that when they eventually ask us for a new deal, and maybe there are some newer French at that time that want to cave in, I will point them at this thread and I will say "no".

    ICS understands that you are an outwardly agitated blowhard (Roleplaying or not) who commands the respect of other emotionally stunted angry captains whom think war and general hostility is a better default than insult-free, meaningful and respectful conversation or negotiation. Look where your shotgun diplomacy landed you?  Not that RvR is relevant any longer . . . to you. But I do know you have some players who also enjoy RvR, who aren't in Bork, Purge, WO, etc., @lancelot teggins. If you're so good for France, don't you have a care in the world for what those guys might have wanted?  I would imagine though you laud yourself some great leader at the departure of ICS. The real shame is that some good players just stopped playing the game to avoid the drama you and your fellow clans enjoyed perpetuating. Despite all this, we're still recruiting people out of France to come join our ranks.  Last two recruits said Bork, Purge, WO, etc., just ignored them. So now they're Danes.  I do wonder if 'all' your French players will enjoy being a 'region-free' nation, forced to play the game the way you wanted it.  We need more community leaders like you.

    'Play our way or else!'

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  6. On 7/14/2017 at 8:39 AM, Taurus454 said:

    Once again, I, and I alone speak for Sweden.  The Leewards and Bovenwinds are Swedish ports and to be perfectly clear, the Danes taking of them were at the urging of Sweden.  

    To France, the Leewards and Bovenwinds are Swedish ports and not of your concern so please drop the issue from this point forward.  Furthermore, the Danes are not attacking you and so long as France stays out of Gustav there will not be a war between France and Sweden unless Sweden is provoked into it again by French  players like King of Crowns attacking Swedish vessels.  So please, I humbly ask you rein King of Crowns in and send him elsewhere.  Of course, how you engage in diplomacy is up to you but take it from someone who has negotiated a bilateral treaty in real life, it helps immensely when one person is "empowered" to negotiate a deal.  Diplomacy by committee does not work, if you need a case study, look at VD, aka Dutch! 

    As per the swedish warning in this thread and elsewhere, respecting your request, I need to understand why you attacked and sunk an ICS trader just now trading from Fort Royal & Christiansted?

  7. 19 hours ago, Barbancourt (rownd) said:

    A nation is a spectrum of opinions and desires.  Count the limited number of players posting in this thread.  Hopefully the Swedish Meatballs are going to work hard on taking over those regions so we can collectively get over this hump, but it would not surprise me if the shenanigans continue for a long time.  Given the poor quality of communication between CCCP and FreeFrance it could go sideways at any moment.

     

    'France, as opposed to acting like a nation as a French Expeditionary Force, act more like a bunch of mercenary groups whom just happen to be French.' - David DeFocher

  8. 14 hours ago, Timjim2 said:

    We the free clans of Denmark do hereby now and forever reject any treaties and agreements made by the Danish Clan CCCP.  We intend to go about our normal business but will  defend or attack any who threaten our prosperity and well-being. 

    Certain captains in the CCCP have, with malicious intent, brought unarmed traders into battle outside Danish ports with the sole purpose of having those same unarmed traders sunk by enemy combatants.  In addition CCCP captains have demanded that the free Danish clans do not defend Danish ports from aggression by their puppet allies the Swedes for gains made thru undefended conquests.

    Such a clear disregard for the safety and well being of fellow countrymen will no longer be tolerated. 

    Be on notice that from here on Christiansted and surrounding waters are off-limits to any and all non-Danish captains.  Be aware that any attempt by Swedish Captains to attack and hold any Danish possessions will be challenged.

    Reds, Dolk, Reavers

    So you've declared open war/aggression/hostilities with everyone.  Is that correct?

  9. 4 minutes ago, Bach said:

    Pretty much when a nation sides against you and starts screening for the nation your at war with it generally goes without saying all previous alliance deals become null and void.

    Just sayin :)

    In response to hostilities after they thought they had peace?  We can go round and round about this for hours.  We need resolution, or declaration there can't be one.  It'll take some bravery, courage, and trust to get there.  But given the toxicity that this chat has de-evolved into I don't believe peaceful resolution is a reality until some egos are self-medicated, perhaps even my own.  Yet I remain hopeful.

  10. 6 minutes ago, Bach said:

    I'm not one for drama but I will explain my view on this.

    We never had any intention of taking Bovenwinds or Leewards from the Swedes in the first place. But the war happened and the Swedes joined it on the Danes side and it was the base we needed to attack the Danish home ports.  So I spent an hour or two of my game time flipping these two ports essentially because the Dane's made me do it as they weren't going to stop the shenanigans in our back yard till we got into theirs.  So if someone is going to collect the 1 week of CM marks its going to take the Swedes to flip those back I just as soon see it was me rather than the Danes.  A decent pay back for my trouble.  However, that isn't what happened.  The Danes flipped under a treaty that doesn't let me stop them and now they collect the CMs until the Swedes eventually get around to flipping them.  This is essentially no different than had we just signed a treaty giving both ports to the Danes. Which is not what we did. 

    So lets recap.  The Danes gave me an awesome deal where they take two colonies temporarily and we flip port for CMs. That sounded pretty kewl. But then it became evident they were pushing the line of that deal to permanent hold those two counties until the alliance system came back into the game.  Seriously?  This was essentially the Danes attempting to squeeze just a little more out of the deal.  Then we fought back about it and they got all offended that we weren't happy with the deal so they said they would one port us till we quit France.  That didn't work out and we spent hours of game time pushing them back where they belong.  Then came the next peace treaty as it was almost signed the Danes came back to squeeze a little more out of it and insisted we give them BT and put their puppet ICS Jonny K in charge of all French negotiations.  Well that didn't Fly. So we started invading them.  Danes responded with basic cutter semi exploit crap and wasted hours of my game time.  Then they got into the Tribunal for using French alts? to finish a flip of their main production port in their best time frame.  Not honorable no matter how you look at it. So then we get the 40min peace treaty as the Danes try yet again to squeeze more out of us.  So we attacked them again and this time they sign it. But now they declare a loop hole that lets the swedes give them territory we were giving the swedes so they can squeeze just a little bit more out of us.

    Duncan, if you can't see why we're still pissed at the Danes you aren't looking at this very hard.  They always stick their hands back into the cookie jar to get one more for themselves. 

    Your details, and your presentation of what occurred here is largely conjecture and contains falsehoods. You were advised that the late night port flip that occurred was an accident. There were no Danish alts at that PB yet you and the 'other' french clans continue to grandstand on this incorrect point, because you use it to keep your misinformation campaign going; which supports and justifies some of your hostility.  Additionally, the 'other' french clans benefitted more than the supposed 'puppet' one did as almost all of the CM flips had more of the 'other' clans in them than ICS. Which by they way weren't happening at all until the Danes assisted with the flips.  I've explained this via the leadership chat, nation chat, and other direct channels for weeks now.  Yet the brilliance of my French fellows continue to disavow logic in the face of facts, which blows my mind. Additionally, as the 'Diplomacy System' will not be reintroduced into the game, we asked for clarification from the Danes as to how long they'll hold the ports, and they intonated they would return them shortly after our incursion with the Dutch was done, which I'd imagine wouldn't have taken too much time given potential round the clock battling.  This, I also personally mentioned to my leaderships French fellows.

    I can appreciate the concern about the Danes taking the ports they otherwise reserved for the Swedes.  I can also see why the Danes don't trust some of the French as our nation continues to demonstrate it's inability to be cohesive for reasons I was otherwise told were in the 'past' but obviously now continue to resurface for the sake of justification and war-mongering, while our other enemies build ships and sprinkle parmesan in their popcorn bowls.

    If you're worried about Danish occupation of those ports from a security perspective, and the Danes are to occupy the area so the Swedes can get 25 additional CMs daily, why not let France occupy them, and have some French diplos send the allotment to the Swedes directly? I bet the short answer would be it's a pain in the ass, but I'll reserve judgment. They otherwise get to build ships and play the game they'd like to, not get bullied by other nations, and still maintain their identity without being assimilated to a different collective, nation.

     

    Also, in recent times the Danes have demonstrated to ICS, and I also believe the Pirates, and some others they keep their word.

    I look forward to feedback about the suggestion and discussing it further.

     

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  11. I see diplomacy is going well.  I believe the Swedes may be referring to the former deal that CCCP made with France, via ICS, which I'm assuming is no longer in play with the aforementioned 'new' hostilities from some of France.  It was to be a peace arrangement with the Danes & Swedes that also involved free trade and allied combat action against France's enemies.   As 'nu-peace' is being brokered with the voice of the other French clans now largely more involved and openly hostile, since getting more organized, I'm not sure where that leaves arrangements with the 4 man, 2 clan Swedish nation.  Personally, I don't see the merit in open hostilities with 4 dudes against 50+, but we all enjoy 'playing' the game differently as my friend molecularbiology stated previously.  Additionally, the 'former' deal was peace with the Swedes as well, as CCCP negotiated on behalf of Sweden.  I see no provisions in what I'd like to coin as 'DanishFrancoPeace 2.0' or DFP2.0 affectionately for peace with Sweden.  I can tell you that making open threats, belittling your adversaries, and general grandstanding is a failure in communication from ALL parties.  If you guys REALLY want peace, ask for it, and get ready to compromise, or don't and continue war. 

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  12. Just now, Rabman said:

    Lets have some clarity of mind here. My clan small that it is, has had 4-7 guys on the front line against the Brits since day one. The only reason we recalled is  because we have no way to counter the Aussies and a lack of support from the home front because of this internal squabbling. KoC approached your clan unprompted to try to build a bridge with you guys on more than one occasion, because we all know that we need a unified front to face the British behemoth. We tried to have PB drills, and PB commander training exercises to which only a smattering of people showed up.

    All of the internal squabbling needs to end, and everyone needs to be on the same page. No more bullshit, each clan on the council will get their vote for the fate of the nation.

    But look at the diplomacy above? How is being angry and antagonizing in the face of a peace negotiation going to get anything sorted?

  13. 53 minutes ago, Bach said:

    Though we all do love Microbiology, who doesn't?  An in game name or signature would be appreciated.

    I get the frustration. I really do.  If you read Chialang's post his frustration comes from Elric II disappearing suddenly and without warning. I suspect this was possibly a translator and diplomat they were comfortable with.  Johnny K, I believe, was well intentioned and also seems to be someone Chialang is comfortable with. But he simply lost control of the narrative on the French side and everything blew up from there. Good bad or whatever it just didn't work out. Rather than simply say "oops" and move on he tried to defend and force things and so it just got worse.  Even if it was the right thing to do it still got worse due to the method. 

    Now also by Chialang's post we see ICS is at the heart of this. The initial attacks on the Dane's were by ICS. The initial deal and its sequential confusion were in ICS hands. However, ICS also did in fact take on the responsibility for reparations.  But after that there was some TS convo intercepted by other clans that exposed a possible backdoor deal by ISC. Now to be fair, I was not there and that could be real or it could have been a troublemaker inside the ICS TS.  Problem is that many, good or bad, believed it and then the Danes accidentally made it happen as foretold.  So this looks all really really bad.  Worst thing ICS could do at this point was continue to fight the rest of the nation rather than just apologize and make up. But instead ICS withdrew from the nation essentially leaving everyone else with the big mess. Again, well meaning or not, it destroyed the trust. Then in the peace negotiations where BLACK and others are trying to patch all this up the ICS, again, get caught admittedly screen shooting the French private comms and posting them to the Danes. This may not have been ill intentioned and perhaps was meant to further communications. But once again it was the worst way to handle the situation at the moment.  Permission to send it to the Danes should have been respectfully requested first. It would have cleared up a lot.  I'm not trying to pick on anyone but you have to admit the handling of various events in this by the ICS certainly could have been better.

    As to the toxicity level I see it too. It would be best if everyone could hold back in Nat chat. But it is what it is and only the foolish take their battles there.

     

    It's true, ICS defended herself while trading in Gustavia without escort, day 2 of the megapatch.  We then brought escort to defend our trading operations which resulted in escalations.  And as we're an international clan, early one morning our time, a massive Chinese trading fleet was discovered in Ft. Royal and promptly sunk, burned, and taken as prizes.  I have another post in a thread elsewhere detailing how the conflict escalated.


    There's still a ton of conjecture here.  It's my understanding the screen shot issue was a threat by a guy in nation chat, after being brow beat yet again, who doesn't have access to Discord anyway, of information that would have shot this second round of peace negotiations in the foot and made the 'other' clans look unfavorable maybe even treacherous.  Moreover, after we transferred ownership of the French National TS to one of the 'other' clans, we've come to find they removed all of ICS from it until I was allowed in yesterday; under protest and scrutiny I'm sure. The TS issue is falsely represented here as well.  The sentiment of the accidental port flip was one of frustration not policy.  Nobody within ICS told the Chinese to set Bridgetown early in the morning, but when the 'other' clans got vocal and accused ICS of being Dane alts a comment in TS was made along the lines of: 'F-it, we'll just all get up early and make sure we have more players on than the 'other' clans do.'  But I'm sure the French 'spy' who sat in our TS neglected to mention those details.  As I was present for the conversation I can tell you that's exactly how it went down.

    I've seen some leadership from other clans mention you're trying to smooth things over with France, specifically ICS.  But I have come to understand that was at the behest of foreign parties whom recognize that France should be unified for the sake of a large threat incoming.

    It's pretty easy to see that ICS has a policy of compromise and a willingness to work with people.  If the 'other' French clans can as well I'd love to see it. Engaging in spycraft and brow beating, shaming if you will, will not yield favourable results domestically and will muddy the waters externally.

  14. On ‎6‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 5:00 AM, Guruthos said:

    with other words instead of ganking myself i shall pay others to gank? what difference does it make?

    just for getting 5% more speed by the bow figure it needed 4 pvp marks. so actually to get it you need to sink more than 1 5th rate ... equal fights and i manage to sink 2 surpirse ... they had it on their ship aswell so they needs to sink another 2 ships each to get it back (already 6 ships are at the bottom of the sea and 6 players are maybe frustrated instead of 1)... that necessary needs to lead to ganking if all pvp players who actually lose their ships and still want to have the best ship as possible so many more need to get sunk ... a slightly better skill in this game doesn't lead to victory because those who have the better gear, if not outnumberd, will have huge advantage ... by pvp marks you could buy upgrade and book (bow figure and optimized ballst) witch gives you together 8% more speed. if you have a ship with 12knots it already makes abou 1 knot speed difference ... so who has it will always be able to get away if he is on the same ship as his opponent even he is worse in fighting he can run and the one who doesn't have this advantage has no chance to catch him ... no chance to earn the marks for himself to get this advantage if he doesn't chose attack 2vs1 or a smaller ship.

    now everyone can get these things by doing pve ... no need to gank anymore or support the ganking by giving those money who do... some pve players actually might be better in fighting then the player who attacks him suddenly and now, because he could buy these things, is able to participate in a real fight ...

    The difference is risk vs. reward.  Talking about gear, equal fights, speed differentials, etc., is irrelevant.  In traditional maritime history almost no recorded engagement was ever fair.  There were dozens of variables, if not hundreds at play.  Also, travelling in numbers will deter and counter ganking more than 'gear' and the ability to farm marks.  Moreover, if you want to farm PVP marks engage your nation, friends, clan, etc., and go hunt.  Maybe after sailing for 4-6 hours and you actually have some action and everyone scores 1-2 marks, if you win, and they don't run, and you choose to sink your prey, you'll appreciate the value the marks have or don't.  

     

    Lastly, what's a 'real' fight? 

  15. 23 hours ago, Guruthos said:

    Alt farming and/or noob ganking ... probably it has to do sth with it ... 

    I agree the rewards nowadays for PvP are not high enough. But if you make special items just accessable for players who invest alot of time in pvp no pve player can ever compete with them at all ... first less experience and second his ship is not that good. everyone of the pvp players who is complaining about the new system always said he was not participating in ganking and they always were searching for equal fights ... but is it still equal if all good shipknowlage is nearly just to get with pvp marks? lets say you board a surprise with your surprise and you have all good bording upgrates but the other palyer could net even affrort 1 yet? that has aswell nothing to do with equality and challange so actually every pvp player writing here should be happy that finally they really can have equal fights ... instead they ask for sth special for them to get ... ok some would be happy with paintings so those i actually consider really as players who really want to fight an equal fight. 

    Somehow it's funny that a rating system aswell could make some happy ... but better i don't continue this point and keep my thoughts for myself. 

    Ok, but all items are tradable so if you want something 'special' from an aspect of the game, commission a player to source it for you. Then use the aspect of the game you farm/grind to trade for it.  What's the issue?

  16. 6 minutes ago, Grundgemunkey said:

    no you dont have to pve to get money ...go pvp capture a ship and sell it ..it will provide more cash than a pve kill ..... if  your a dedicated pvp player why do you want a lineship ...the only pvp your going to get one with one of those is when you lose it . ... i dont think conquest marks are a good idea anyway ... personally would be happy if they gave one combat mark per pve kill .... say 5 for a pvp kill and 5 for a port battle win .. ,,, but even that will encourage pvp farming

     

    Our nations are at War, we play on a PVP server.  What is PVP farming?  They already PVP farm.

  17. 2 hours ago, codyproxy said:

    Frankly i don't think that you want to restrict items to only PVP-ers. Everything should be archievable (at least in terms of costs) by doing PVE/Missions/Trading.

    I don't have a problem with getting more for PVP (in terms of exchange), as long as people who aren't PVP-ing every night can also get all stuff in the game.

    Everything in the game is tradable, so the restriction is only in the initial mark redemption/acquisition.  Which makes it hardly a restriction. You can always open your coffers and engage your community for trade regardless of the 'I can't PVP every night' argument.

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