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    Michiel de Ruyter

    in History

    Posted

    Michiel Adriaenszoon de Ruyter (24 March 1607 – 29 April 1676) was a Dutch admiral. He is the most famous and one of the most skilled admirals in Dutch history, most famous for his role in the Anglo-Dutch Wars of the 17th century. He fought the English and French and scored several major victories against them, the best known probably being theRaid on the Medway. The pious De Ruyter was very much loved by his sailors and soldiers; from them his most significant nickname derived: Bestevaêr (older Dutch for 'grandfather'.) - English wiki 

    link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_de_Ruyter

    Thanks for links. I think it is one of the greates strategists on navy field.

    Michiel de Ruyter

    in History

    Posted

    I have to recommend the Dutch film Michiel de Ruyter. There are some great battle scenes and nice ships. The movie is more about political situation in that era, but still one of my favourites after the Master and Commander. 

    Thank you.

    Oh Yes.....Watched this movie....

    Actualy the good historycal film.

    I like there production. Watched in scenes and seen lots of small detales of ship env. and battle strat. formations. Natural.

    Michiel de Ruyter

    in History

    Posted · Edited by Raymond De Payence

    This topic was created to get know of the history, about one of the greatest sailors of the seas.

    Michiel De Ruyter.

    Will glat to see links, docs, pictures, and historyc facts etc.

     

    PS. Post was created on santimental feelings. Thats why historycal facts, drawings, pictures, plans, fun-art and other are welcome.

     

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiel_de_Ruyter


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Dutch_Wars

    Сorvette Olivuzza (Menelai) 1841 3D model

    in Unrated and other light combat vessels

    Posted

    1820+15 years is absolute maximum range.

    and 1841 is definately out of the timeframe. Giving in this one time may open pandoras box for the future.

     

    But you ship, as astonishing as it looks. (and that I mean as I say it!)

    Is not made for the game. So much polys wont make for good performance ingame.

    Unfortunately it is out of range. But I find this great forum when download the game. Just few days. And was need an opinion and some advice.

    And its not made for the game also, yes. It was started like a modeling exersise. And grown for the animation. In the future I hope. 

    Hope this two reasons is not so big violation. And you dont punish me for that  :D.

    Promise in next time model will be in time range, but dont promise to make it for the game. But If I can, I like to participate in game addition and improvement. Also like an artist and designer.

    Im new here. Looking in the future friendship.

     

    Thank You.

     

    Сorvette Olivuzza (Menelai) 1841 3D model

    in Unrated and other light combat vessels

    Posted · Edited by Raymond De Payence

    Gorgous looking model, Raymond!

     

    I perfer the tiling technique for UV mapping, though, you get a lot of detail with a simple 1024*1024 or 2048*2048 texture, even close-up. And you still have the option to bake it (in combi with a decal map) to a bigger texture like yours.

     

     

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    UV-map for the hull

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    Oh, man....Thank you.

    Thats cool like you do. I think next time Ill do it same way for main pre-map. Realy easy way to do planking. But any way for free hand drawing (or smart mat) of dirt etc. in 3Dcoat, I think Ill ned huge map. And also of course I was must to work with UV more. To do horisontal edges stright. So it will be much less work to do. But Its done how its done. :) Amasing Panthere, man.

    Сorvette Olivuzza (Menelai) 1841 3D model

    in Unrated and other light combat vessels

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    yeah it looks great, so you painted in the planking with photoshop in black and white and later on converted these to a normal map? I quite like that, have to try it myself now :D

    Could you perhaps show me the UV layout? Interested in how you unwrapped the hull.

    Btw I've noticed your cannons are sitting very high in your gunport, they usually have to sit a little bit below the middle point of the gunport.

    In the reference image you can clearly see the difference.

    Here is it.

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    1. I draw planking in Photoshop. Made it black and white, without paint colors, just same color wood texture everywhere, for that its generate same lavels on normal. For underwater part I made some few levels for make it more contrast in lines of plates. Played with Levels a bit. And use Photoshop Normal map generator. The final maps (diffuse on picture) was exported from 3DCoat, after I draw some dirt. Ill work on it a bit more maybe. To make it more raw and dirty.

    Actualy Its not the best way I think I done. Will be happy if some one will make an advice how to make it easyer. Im started 3 times and finaly came for this variant. Problem is, min. resolution of map wich Im happy with is 8k. I was try to make it 16k but my hardware cannot handle that. Dont look on some weard parts of UV. I was F..UP with it. Any way this parts is on hiden geometry.  ;).

    2. gun ports Yeah. Think its just becose guns are to big. But I leave it for now like this. It was very hard positioning of parts on the place of each one. Curved deck and bulwarks made it a bit crazy.

     

    Are you making some project also? Can you show you pictures?

    Сorvette Olivuzza (Menelai) 1841 3D model

    in Unrated and other light combat vessels

    Posted

    nice, did you get all the planking and dirt on the bottom in through normal maps? or is it a displacement map.

    Everything is Normal map. In general Normal was generated from corrected and filtered black and white Diffuse in Photoshop. Dirt was drawed in 3D coat. I tryed export and use Displacement also, but for now Im happy with Normal map. Its faster render time, and looks same from distances I need. 

    Сorvette Olivuzza (Menelai) 1841 3D model

    in Unrated and other light combat vessels

    Posted · Edited by Raymond De Payence

    I mean it looks like a very high quality model.

     

    And the platforms that support the shrouds are set up in an unusual way. I'm guessing that the very high bulwarks prevented them from setting the channels below the gunports as usual.

    Ya...was think about it to. Its kind a strange, but I used some references from here. So as I see it was historicly right. Dont know, maybe not.

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    Probably some one know how it was in real. Unfortunately I didnt find more info about it. But somewhere I read that the guy who made this drawings for magasine used historical drawings. 

    Сorvette Olivuzza (Menelai) 1841 3D model

    in Unrated and other light combat vessels

    Posted · Edited by Raymond De Payence

    I dislike how so many nations went with the black with white gunports after the Napoleonic era. British, French, U.S. all adopted it I think. (Great model , too many polys for game use though). I really liked how you did the copper cladding.

    Ye. Im also  like color sceme what was before. Something original with every ship in early ages.

    Lots of polys yeah. But it was created like fun modeling, not for the game. And also adapted for turbosmoothing (like is on a edges view) for quality anim render in the future.

    Copper cladding..my god...Fu...ng asspain. Want forget it like nightmare. It was created manuly each square path overlayed (PS) on coper texture with some oxyde handdrawing. Other ways I was not satisfied with results.  :)

    Dang, all the polys.

     

    Very odd that they split the channels up.

    What do you mean?

    3D Modeling Tutorials.

    in Shipyard

    Posted

    Result of a few days later :), and i've also a question to the more experienced ship modelers amongst us. As mentioned i builded the hull with nurbs but i want to make the portholes without converting the object to vertices, is there a way to do this? As far as I know, i need to convert the object to vertices to cut it in :S. The 'Berghouten' (I'm a dutchmen myself so forgive my english but i mean the thicker stuff on the hull ;) ) are seperated from the hull. 

    Other question: Textures or materials?

     

     

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    Also was thinking what to use. Decidet to use textures with 3Dcoat improve. But its coast lots of resurses.

    3D Modeling Tutorials.

    in Shipyard

    Posted · Edited by Raymond De Payence

     

    Looks like a good start indeed however I think your smoothing groups are wrong which causes the black spots.

    Also for a first ship this is gonna be nearly impossible to model if you are new to it. I'd suggest you start out with something like a smaller frigate first.

    You have to learn what every part of the ship should look like and with the 7 prov there just are too many details to start with.

    I've started out with a rather difficult ship as well and it didn't look anything like a real ship haha I'll show you.

     

     
     
     
    You see how bad that looks :D
    The stern and bow are completely out of proportions.
    But I've improved so far and this is my latest model
     
     
     
     
    As you can see this looks more like a real ship.
    Getting the shape of the stern and bow right is really difficult for these ships, looking at a lot of reference images helps though.
    I hope I haven't demotivated you as shipbuilding is really fun to do.
    Good luck with your model, I'll be waiting for some more pics hehe
     
     

     

     

    Yes.. Same with me.  First I was try to make Prince. And started 3 times only with hull. After I started a corvette Olivuzza. You can see it in post

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