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Six ports in the spanish timers and we are at war with pirates because of their attacks on Jamaika. The ports they come from are in south cuba. Four are set between 0 -6... And Serrena. Hell yeah this will be a problem if we wont do some late night action. So you see we are in the same situation and we have to deal with this problem too. The difference is we do not blame anyone for this. You know why? Because it would be hypocrite to blame someone for a mechanic the game allowes and we use too.
In fact, France is the one and only nation not using this right now but this is not the point. The point is:
It is allowed and used by several people in nearly all factions.
It is hard but infact it's not against the rules. And I do not believe that it will help to threw some oceanic gamers over board. This is mean because they have the same right to play as we all do.
So please stop blaming one nation for something used by (nearly) all.
It's not about what is right and wrong, the AUSEZ can section themselves off somewhere remote on the map and call it their homeland and set timers however they want, the problem is you use this tactics throughout the vast majority of your nation. It has been made clear that the AUSEZ clan does not make up 80%~ of your faction's population, the amount of ports that have gone undefended at the times these ports are set is evidence of this.
What your nation is doing is degrading the game's fun because you take this game far too seriously, you're afraid of losing ports so you set timers at times you know you are the least likely to have to defend these ports. You can point the finger at others all you like, but it's not hypocritical one bit for people to put timers on places where they can actually muster a defense at that time, especially when you have a bigger nation next-door who has been doing it for far longer than any of the nations you've listed.
"In fact, France is the one and only nation not using this right now but this is not the point. The point is:"
And yet you had no hesitation putting unfair timers against them whilst zerging them down, that's the point you people keep trying to elude, but then ask why so many people are against you on the map? It's behavior like this that has left a bitter taste in their mouths towards your faction, the devs and the game as whole, and is leading to people just straight leaving the game in a trickle from how boring you've made it for everyone else who wants to engage in the conquest side of the game. Until the devs address this problem, it's our responsibility as a part of this community to make the game as fun for everyone as possible, and not be so butt-hurt about losing ports as to resort to manipulating mechanics in this fashion.
Edit: When the Americans came for the Bahamas, they caught us with our pants down in the initial first days, the following days rallied our nation to go up and not only defend the Bahamas at the time we set for those ports and stop the assault successfully, but also reconquer it and push even further north. The difference between our setting of timers and yours is that ours are actually representative of our capacity to defend, and as far as I know the timers up there haven't changed since that initial offensive. Meanwhile, after Cuba was retaken with timers set at 04-06, your timers since then have shifted a number of times with the clear intent to find the best time period to deny attacks outright with no effort.
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Most (All) of those are american ports or pirate ports near the american front. Since the Brits are not at war with them I can see why this doesn't seem to be a problem for you. Nobody is setting 4-6 next to the British war fronts except for Brits themselves.
Cree el ladrón que todos son de su condición.
Context doesn't exist in the British nation, only propaganda and deflection.
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You butchered the timeline so badly I'm actually astonished reading what you just wrote, how desperately your nation wants to twist history just to appear like the good guys to who? Who do you think is reading this other than a British player and says to himself, "wow, I must have been dreaming the last 3 weeks of my life while playing this game". Hilarious.
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No time to speak about winnnig side althought the war is not over. We've lost players complaning about fighting empty ports but you reinforce the idea for all french captain you are not playing fair and you desserve to be destroyed.
You're hiding behind australians players never seen.
Here are you timers: http://mdb-dev.es/NavalPorts/
You just have 3 ports set up on your own primetime because you're only way to win this war is to use anything to make you survive.
The battle is fun for you because you're fighting fair opponent and you enjoy being able to rvr our port in attack on your primetime when we can't attack yours on the same time.
In a french perspective, you are a nation of trollexploiter that don't desserve any respect. The war is not fun, the war is necessary
What's funny is this is what their timers used to look like before the night-crew of the pirates/nationals staying up really late started punishing these timers. I don't know who they're trying to kid really, at one point their Yucatan holdings were 18-20, then all of a sudden when the French started pushing up the Panama with the Spanish making gains shortly after that, they go 10-12 like magic.
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Bigvalco the true pirate. !! Live long. !!
So Entire Pirate population working with Danes - Spanish - France is ok. True.
BigValco working with brits is not ok. (false any way)
Fuking Hippocrates.
Fuking stawman bruh, nobody is on a pedestal about BigValco working for the Brits being morally wrong or just plain not okay, check the thread you're in before you start up a totally different conversation. We're just having a laugh at such an absurd turn of events, and how desperately the British are trying to gain ground to the point that they're employing and arming a clan of pirates who were given every possible advantage in a battle, and still ballsed it up horribly.
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Queen Valco returning to the SLRN estate in Port Royal.
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I don't want to bring acrimony into this topic, but this is news to me. Mariel was kept on a 4-6 timer until the end.
If this is a gift, it is easily misinterpreted as an insult.
Those ports were definitely not gifted... the first attempt on Matanzas was definitely met with resistance, beyond that required the Spanish to be up very late to recover those ports, many ports of which were retaken during a large offensive during 04-06. What is happening in Mexico is a completely separate thing to what the rest of the U.S. faction is currently undertaking.
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A deal was struck among your fellow Spanish comrades with the pirates, many of them happily obliged and sympathized with your cause, and so the deal was made and a section of our manpower was given over to them to aid in the goals we set out for the Spanish homeland to better deal with the port timers they set against your nation and ours.
We're very proud of what you have done in that Santa Fe bay, brave men of Spain, continue to fight strongly and proudly to ensure your security and prosperity in Cuba and wherever else you may wander.
Those of us who departed for the eastern front, did so for this very purpose, and the pirate coalition we serve under has been honorable and understanding throughout this whole endeavor. Our pledge to you does not end with Cuba, those of us who were once Spanish will always be willing to lend a hand to you in times of need.
Congratulations on your recovery, keep it up and do not allow the mistakes of the past to resurface again, stay the course. -
Translation: "We shouldn't have to organise ourselves properly; everyone else should have to do all the leg-work instead."
Nice word twist there buddy, glad to know there are so many well informed people in your faction with little comments like this being of plentiful supply.
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I really can't be bothered repeating myself over and over.
How the hell are we meant to know the inter clan nation diplomacy of a nation?
One person will say one thing, and another will tell a completely different story.
Thats how it is completely different from dealing with France/Sweden. They are not disunified nations and can talk with a single voice.
UNITE! Simple. Instead of blaming each other in a blame game of what clan made what deal, what each clan did to screw up said deals etc. Ohh your clan is to small to care/know this etc. Ask EVERY clan to come to a council and vote!
Want to talk about competence? When ever has any spanish diplomat except for Gaizka come to the brititsh before this?
There was no diplomacy!
Tsunami, again i didnt even know who the hell you were untill after everything went belly up. You only had a handful of posts on the forums, no one announced themselves as diplomats etc. You can not expect diplomats from other nations to CHASE down 8 different diplomats from all these different clans and try to make deals with each one!
Its up to the nation to unify itself and talk with ONE voice.
Its not up to the other nation, to chase every clan diplomat and try to unify a dam deal with each one.
THAT IS THE LACK OF DIPLOMACY.
Find a single voice. Then we can talk.
"How the hell are we meant to know the inter clan nation diplomacy of a nation?"
You talk to them, I told you this from the beginning of our interactions on the forums, if you want confirmation you could come into our TS and speak to the leaders of all the clans we represented. It's so simple I don't even know how to explain it in simpler terms, your people were already in contact with us, all you had to do was CONFIRM the legitimacy of who you were talking to if you were unsure. You NEGLECTED the majority of the faction to speak to one self-proclaimed diplomat of a tiny community within the faction, when you had FULL access to the rest of our faction via myself and the TS you frequented to speak to us. Your compatriots failed to tell you of what was going in RAE to solve the problem, the initial people Gaizka and I spoke to initially(Pam and Caldwell), and you talk to us about unity, how inaccessible we are?
This is what I mean with talking in circles with you people, it's never ending, and then you tell me you can't be bothered to repeat yourself? Then don't, if you can't comprehend the most basic of concepts when dealing with nations, then just don't bother trying to interact with the surrounding factions.
Just don't try and take this moral high ground on the forums, no one is buying it, and it's responses like this that don't help your faction's image.
Too late now for a peaceful resolution. No need for further talks.
Agreed, I don't even know why they're trying at this point to convince Spain to accept defeat, it's just the same tune as always and no one is bending over to it.
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Again as i stated. Spain is not united. We were dealing with Gaizka, a representative of the Spanish council at the time. Yet the spanish council didnt include RACC, this is the issue in dealing with Spain. No unity.
Also learning from the Danes with dealing with the french...
Very different situations. Just a note, i was the British diplomat who was sent to listen in to the deal made between Danes with the Swedish and French. So i do have some knowledge on that situation.
Firstly they had not made any deals that had fallen through, France got hit hard and then a deal was offered. The danes keep 2 ports near the french to ensure the french dont backstab them. Same with the swedes.
France and Sweden both had councils and could talk for their nation. So peace deals could be offered and accepted.
With Britain and Spain. In the British view they would make a deal with RAE (and as you stated stuff went south in south cuba), Then make a deal with what is though and told to be a representative of all the other spanish clans except from RAE, and then we are attack by RACC and EI. At this point we simply found it impossible to make any long lasting deal with spain, If we make a deal with one set of clans, the other want something else, and vice versa its like dealing with two different nations in the same nation.
Unity, Unity, Unity.
According to who? Where were these council members in any war we've ever been involved in? You took the word of an individual who has made wild claims that I have yet to see materialize in reality, where were they in the defense of Mexico? You people were duped by him, and you capitalized on it, I guess if some random person comes up to you claiming to be the President of the United States you'll believe them solely on the merit of their words, right? No double checking with anyone, no peer reviews of his standing as a diplomat and who exactly he represents? You can't sit and claim that we're not united to cover up your factions own incompetence in this matter, I'm sorry, it's not going to go unchallenged by me.
We had the voices of every prominent clan within the faction heard by us, the people who mattered in the faction, the ones who have been fighting from the beginning in great numbers, the ones intercepting your fleets as we speak. You have no idea what unity is if you think Spain isn't unified, Spain was in the best position it's ever been for unity, and your faction has done nothing but attempt to stamp that out with how you've dealt with us thus far.
The situation with Danes is not that different at all, it shows the degree in which your faction fails in diplomacy, even once enemies can reconcile ports more effectively and fairly than your faction can with people it considered "natural allies". Taking two ports near the capital as victors should show you the level of ridiculousness in your claim to hold the entire southern part of Cuba from people you are supposed to be friends with, in exchange for ports you were supposed to give back no string attached(minus the gold costs).
"With Britain and Spain. In the British view they would make a deal with RAE (and as you stated stuff went south in south cuba), Then make a deal with what is though and told to be a representative of all the other spanish clans except from RAE, and then we are attack by RACC and EI. At this point we simply found it impossible to make any long lasting deal with spain, If we make a deal with one set of clans, the other want something else, and vice versa its like dealing with two different nations in the same nation."
This paragraph...
The unity that was achieved included RAE, RACC and EI, and a number of other clans who joined combat whenever they were needed, we by no means achieved what we achieved in order to kill another clan. We did what we did to achieve a balanced unity among the faction, this was fully ratified a week from my first encounter with your diplomats, and went into effect the same night it was discussed. Rather than be a constructive force in this whole process, your faction chose to pound it's chest and then combo into extremely poor diplomatic conduct with us. So, so be it.
Again, told he was a diplomat for the whole faction by who, the person making the claim for himself? You double checked his prominence as a diplomat with no one of relevance in our talks, that is your fault, not ours.
Competence, competence, competence, your side is lacking this throughout.
Honestly, do you even know the clans he represented by tags at the very least other than the clan he was in? What have they done of note for the faction? How can you honestly be expected to be taken seriously in diplomacy when you just take people at their word and don't do even the most basic research on them what so ever?
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Quiet a accurate description!
The two issues though, the deal with Gaizka we were ready to accept and wanted to do. Then other people stepped in and started attacking Southern cuban ports. Then the proposal from yourself tsunami, wasnt in the eyes of the british a fair one. Comming to the table asking for 16 ports was not something Britain as a whole could accept. Unfortunately we couldnt come to any other terms to sort it out in time, and relations broke down after that.
The number one issue Britain has with Spain is that at this point they still can't speak with a unified voice. No terms of peace can come about unless Spain is unified under a council system of some sort. The war will continue as long as Spain is divided.
The fact that RACC and other Spanish have re rolled pirate and helping prop up the spanish is also continuing the war. Now if a unified Spain wants war, thats fine. They will get it. They do need to unify under some sort of system, what ever system it may be.
Also to state that Britain is scared? You are very wrong on that.
We are lucky we are a populated nation. That cover all time zones and can field fleets at all timezones. Being attacked on 3 fronts is driving us into more resolve than anything else. We can do port battles around the clock, and our guys are having a blast doing it!
The problem is your diplomats followed up only with Gaizka, and not myself, which is interesting considering the main situation that surrounded the whole situation had more to do with myself and RAE than it did with Gaizka. Yet, in their infinite wisdom, they chose to neglect the solutions put forward and react as they did, and now we are here.
Coming to the table asking for 16 ports you took unjustly/mistakenly/failed to return as per previous agreements is by no means unreasonable, your factions capitalized one one mistake after another, and for some reason insist that returning ports you just annexed recently was too much for your faction to bare. So again, we are here.
I'm pretty certain the majority of the corsairs that came with us to pirates are mainly RACC, a large contingency stayed to defend Spain while we coalesced with a faction that we could fill the gaps in soundly to help achieve our long-term goals alongside the pirates.
Our worldviews are at odds with each other, that is the problem here, you cannot reconcile things that I consider common sense for one nation to do for another they are on good terms with. We handle problems and crises differently, and by these revelations it's pretty clear our factions are not natural allies, and so it was made very clear that we would be at war for a very long time. That is why I went pirate, because the timers you set prevent Spain from launching effective counter-attacks, but as a pirate, your timers cannot hide you from us. Your faction should take a lesson on interrelations from the Danes, and how they treated the French after they achieved victory, far better than you treated your once allies in this entire issue.
So yes, we will fight on, and your faction will either be at odds with it's decisions for the rest of time, or they will take the time to reflect on how they deal with other factions and have the self-awareness to witness the result up to this point.
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TsunamiEmperor, you're mostly right about what happened w/respect to Spain - and I will add my personal opinion that British response was very heavy handed but some form of response was needed. This is one of the small steps why this has spun out of control
You should return to Spain and use that reason of yours there, pirates already had a cohesive national policy.
You are wrong about us being scared though, I enjoy GB not being top dog any longer; it was the number one thing that made me hesitant choosing the faction - too many Aubrey111s. There is quite a bit of fight left still .. and this is what this game is about!
I know I am, I've been on the frontier of this debacle since it happened, we came up with a solid solution and wouldn't have had any issue with you retaking the ports. This spun out of control because your diplomats have absolutely no clue what they're doing, and how to proceed in minor crisis' like this. What should've been a simple "sorry it was a mistake, the person responsible for it has been dealt with, you can have the ports back if you want", turned into failure after failure on the part of the British delegates. Taking everything west of Cochinos was inexcusable and far too harmful to Spain's industry, and the amount of difficulty I encountered while trying to recover it through diplomatic talks simply revealed the nature of your leaders. They have put Spain in a position where we can never trust them again, because they've shown us what they do with power and agreements. Nothing was honored by Britain from start to finish, the ports your faction were asked to assist us in returning were used against us as forward operating bases in the conflict that ensued.
Meanwhile we made a symbolic stand at Siguanea, knowing full well that you were going to flip the ports in the Yucatan the next day, we made it clear we were not on-board with the deal you made behind closed doors with another party to give away southern Cuba for it. Rather than wait for you to flip the ports and then back stab you after that, we chose to be honorable and make a clear and harmless statement at Siguenea. To help you understand the foolishness of the deal that was made with the other party in Spain, and how many people it did not represent in the faction. This apparently went unnoticed, and we were punished for this honorable conduct.
Failure to follow up on the solution, and failure to respect the borders of an entire nation over the actions of a single individual, Britain has no right to impose it's will on Spain over such failures like this and I will not stop fighting among the corsairs for as long as the British insist on bringing Spain to heel and wrestling ports that rightfully belong to them.
I don't mean you're all scared as a general statement, there are definitely many among you that don't like the multiple fronts open everywhere, and the losses of ports in places far too close to home. I'm sure there are other people who feel as you do within the faction, that would rather see a constructive end to things, but what I experienced with your leadership tells me that's not going to happen among the higher ups anytime soon. The ports that were put into question should have been returned to Spain as a common sense measure to maintain peace at the bare minimum, they refused this notion as too catastrophic for their nation's morale and self-image.
I will return to Spain one day, but for now I have goals and oaths to fulfill between both Spain, and the pirates as they have been honorable partners in this entire endeavor to whom I owe much gratitude.
When your empire is sufficiently crippled enough to where I feel that Spain can once again function as a sovereign nation with secure borders, that's when this will end, until then the fight continues for us who have departed to the eastern front.
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A men who left Spain in times of trouble is not worth to speak for spain.
God damn Yankees!
Where exactly do I speak for Spain in this thread? I'd love to see the quote, or is this just your little tidbit of appeasement to Caldwell's new salty narrative to try and drive a wedge between the new Spanish corsairs and their homeland?
It's pretty easy to see through all these manipulative attempts on the forums, please try harder.
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...... yes yes, but you left the Spanish and are now Pirate!
Stop kidding yourself, you took the easy way out!
Is it deja vu, or are we running in circles again?
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So you'll be giving back the Gulf of Mexico, then?
We're rightly blaming you for the entire British nation's crime of going apeshit over what one guy did at Misteriosa.
It wasn't over Misteriosa, they went ape-shit over Pepe attacking the south eastern part of Cuba, and this went through based on confusion between what was being talked about between multiple Spanish higher-ups and G'kar at the time, and whether the plan was in effect. When Spain realized that Pepe was attacking out of anger, and not agreement, Papa Bear and myself, and later Gaizka went to speak with multiple British representatives to alleviate the situation. We came up with a solution, put it into effect, but the British were apparently just too scarred by the whole ordeal of losing a couple of Cuban ports to accept it, and escalated the situation out of control.
Misteriosa is just a talking point they keep clinging too mindlessly to desperately gain any moral high ground, none of which they have. It's ironic, because I proposed the idea of an armistice to Wang before the talks, but even he acknowledged that it would be impossible to regulate. Yet they insist on using it as a propaganda tool, all the while expecting anyone to take them seriously at the diplomatic table as they do these things.
I'm not going to tell Spain to keep fighting, nor will I tell them to sue for peace, all I will say is we are coming and the British are scared. Do with that information what you will, but your destiny as it stands is up to what you are willing to endure. We will not force the nation of Spain to endure what it is unwilling to endure for a promise, because no matter what happens in these negotiations does not change the oath we made as Spaniards.
We will fulfill our promise to Spain one way or another.
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Oh shut up already TsunamiEmperor you just keep on going spurring the war on, on both sides like always. The RAE is possibly the last clan who should talk about peace or not since you're not exactly men of peace and the majority seem to be holding some petty grudge over Panama still, the place in which some of your clan is still camping out. GB may not have been unified at that time, but us clans there enjoyed the fight(even though it was against some agreements) and learned much from the RAE and ACE and respected their fighting prowess. Even though ACE switched to pirates fairly quickly and RAE seemed to fight with a serious grudge even then.
Even after that, the clan that's constantly sabotaged talks between Spain and be it with GB or the US of A, has been RAE. It's starting to become pathetic, fanning the flames is the best thing you know. Yet you hop between Spain and Pirates whichever is doing better at the time. You're not exactly speaking from a position of strength, you're like a Naval Action version of Quisling.
If your goal is seeing the Spanish nation crushed in the dirt so that everyone goes Pirate, so that then the pirates become the focus and start doing worse while Spain recovers so you can jump back, or simply attempt to crush the brits out of spite for Panama, congrats you seem to be doing well. But forgive me if i don't take anything you say or write too seriously. Unfortunately your ways and the ways of the RAE are and always have heavily impacted Spain, negatively or otherwise.
Well maybe if you succeed, at least we may have a map reset sometime soon because the practice of bringing nations down to one port went to far already and is still going because all other nations seem intent on making it happen to everyone else too. One of the reasons the PvP1 has stayed at stable amounts of people is PvP2 getting recruited over by certain clans on PvP1 with promise of greener pastures. So the game is in-fact losing players, it's less evident on PvP 1 than on PvP 2 though.
Edit: the point about the game losing players is, that now is definitely the to stop our stupid crap so we can stop some more of the playerbase from leaving.
I really sense the impassioned anger in this one, your ignorance is very amusing and astounding sir, especially when directed at the original Spanish diplomat who gave your faction a very easy alternative to war. I'll bullet point a number of things since you're seemingly too lazy to get to the bottom of things yourself, yet have the energy to right out a whole essay of cringe:
1. I was the original diplomat from Spain to your faction, I was the one who in conjunction with a number of other people took a certain degree of power from RAE after the initial misunderstanding in southern Cuba, and we created RACC. The intention wasn't to punish RAE, but to allow for a more balanced unity among the faction when making decisions for the people we represented within Spain. This wasn't enough for your leaders, and you began milking the attacks by Pepe to justify and offensive against the rest of the coast, and telling us how much you couldn't trust us. The people who were in the same room when the plan to "depower" RAE was put forward were Pam from the AUSEZ clan, Caldwell and Gaizka. It was said in this meeting what would be done to solve the problem of Pepe, and it was made clear that we would not bargain away southern Cuba for 4 ports in the Yucatan. The solution for Pepe took effect the same day, and the following day that we proposed this solution but your diplomats decided not to follow up with me after they said they'd relay the information to the rest of the council. They instead made a backdoor deal with Gaizka to fully take control of the south western coast of Cuba in exchange for 4 ports in the Yucatan.
This was resoundingly rejected by the rest of the faction, and that is why we made at stand at Siguanea.
2. There are no grudges being held, we reference Panama and southern Cuba(during the first weeks of steam release) as points in history where your lack of unity compromised our security in different parts of the world, and the fact that not once did we act irrationally in response to these liabilities against your faction. Yet, one attack from RAE in southern Cuba, and your faction is already pounding the war drums, conquering as much as they can within the same day that our diplomats ended up meeting. The point of pointing out these two events is to point out the hypocrisy of your faction and it's diplomacy, your lack of understanding in this why we will never allow your faction to remain as powerful as it is.
3. I hop between pirates and Spain depending on which is doing better at the time? Never mind I'm not even going to address the rest of your post, too stupid.
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Sorry but I would have responded at length but knowing you fled the Spanish cause to go Pirate, I knew then the measure of the man.....
Now you may flower it up as fighting on, but the sad fact is when the going got tough, you and others clearly got going....... Where? Over to the easiest option.
I love the Spanish people, in my case 'literally' so I admire their proud and but sometimes stubborn nature. Its just a shame that people who flew their banner can walk away so easily when their backs were against the wall. Spain doesn't need men like you, what they do need is the very men staying and fighting for the colours NOW! These will be the Spanish of the future, not the fairweather friends you Pirate Turncoats pretend to be.
There will be peace, it will come... perhaps not today, tomorrow or next week.... but it will come!
Big words from the man who knocked over the first domino in this whole situation, the Prime-arch of catastrophe himself speaks to me of ones measure and expects to be taken seriously.
You can act as though moving to another front is simply fleeing from difficulty, but here among the pirates, we've been fighting you just as we were fighting you before to a more effective degree. For someone who you deem has "run away", I've yet to see you at any of the fights I've been involved in so far, that or I just haven't noticed you in the fray at Jeremie the past several times we've been there, where I'd expect you to be huddling.
Unlike your nations stance towards Spain, there are no illusions of what our relationship with the pirates are, you may demonize them but that is your own folly. You know nothing of the enemies you fight, and frankly that is precisely why your conclusions are both unsurprising and unimportant to me.
Peace indeed will come, the day your nation is brought to heel, and given the rude awakening it sorely needs.
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Most if not all or the British captains want spain to be a nation like when we were allied with them, but their actions (or the actions or some clans in their nation) made it so that if we let them be they'd backstab us, with the balance of power at the time, destroying most of their nation was a far easier task for us than dealing with their hilarious demands.
They seized the opportunity to attack us and broke diplomacy when the pirates started making a push in Haiti along with the Danes, now they are reaping what they sowed.
We don't think we have a ''right'' to conquer smaller nations,but we believe nation size should be balanced by amount of players and what they can reasonably, not by some untenable historical position, we tried helping Spain when the Americans attacked it. We don't have the ''right'' to vassalize them but we sure have the power to destroy them if they backstab us and tell us to f*** off.
If they want to negotiate and make peace i'm the sure diplomats on the british side will hear them, but they need to make reasonable demands and until then well our west flank is pretty darn secure.
You people need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid man, you had no better time than to be allied with Spain when our power structure changed drastically, your diplomats chose ports instead. Everything that is happening to Britain is your own doing as far as the past few weeks are concerned, and I don't know what kind of nostalgia blunt you're smoking but prior to this, you were dealing solely with the person you claimed "back-stabbed" you, and now you're saying you want the old Spain you were allies with back?
Does anyone in your faction actually know what they want?, or are they just too scared to admit it in a public forum, because every post I read from your people just contradicts another.
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It makes me laugh reading all your replies like your a tough strong Nation on PVPO EU1 yet the truth is all but different.
You are weak and when you tried to bully the top English Clans and Council to give away free ports you lose. Do you summit to your wounds and take a rain check on your mouth or attitude? No you sell your national cause to another tyrant not showing your National identity or ambitions at all! Just that of the Pirates and Danes.
Keep posting your useless rants as it is quite comical, British never surrenders and are showing your sold nation truly how strong you are. Spain for sale for thew highest bid?
You may claim Britain is weak and losing but you could not be so wrong.
For someone so wrong, weak and irrelevant, your jimmies seem to be very rustled by him. Seems like a telling sign of insecurity perhaps?, don't worry, your countrymen seem to suffer from the same feeling.
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Now if I remember correctly you were sitting in a meeting with us the British Council at the time that you led the attack on Misteriosa at the same very time you were demanding that we gave you 16 ports in exchange for peace. That is not the conduct of a diplomatic leader who wanted peace it smacked of someone trying to distract us and very under hand.
Did you really think we were going to just roll over and just hand those ports to you on a Silver platter? If you did you were very wrong!
We countered your offer and suggested that we would return 6 ports to Spain over a period and a further 2 after that with conditions sadly your attacks went in and as a result you ran away leaving Spain for a live as a Pirate because your clan could not get what you wanted from us.
You left your Spanish Brothers and sisters to suffer at our hands rather than defend just like you did when in RAE and you all ran from the Americans and headed to Panama that tells me you have no passion for the Spanish nation and should be treated by Spain as the rest of the world treats Pirates which is scum of the earth.
Complete and outright lie, I was nowhere near Misteriosa when we were speaking with each other, let alone leading the attack. Though after we concluded our talks that night, the next evening I was absolutely present at it's defense due to the failure to come to any agreement on anything.
Um yes we did think this, because this is what was agreed upon when we asked you to assist us in recovering ports taken by the Americans, thus where the backstabbing comes into the picture. Thank you for painting it for me, that saves us a lot of time in history lessons in regards to how conducting diplomacy has been between our factions thus far.
Don't try and play dumb on the issue of Misteriosa, it was mutually understood that an armistice would not be possible to regulate, and so attacks back and forth during the diplomatic talks were to be expected until our talks concluded positively, which they didn't. You put us in a state of war with your attacks on southern Cuba, you transgressed against our faction for the actions of an individual who was dealt with swiftly. This wasn't enough for you, and so you pushed to escalate the situation needlessly, don't waste your time trying to twist facts in the other direction.
You countered our offer with an undignified set of terms for both your faction and ours if we were to accept it, those ports were not yours to use to barter with us, those ports were to be recovered and returned, with proper gold compensation and whatever else could be worked out to be fair to you for helping us. You chose to keep the ports, and press a claim on them with a number of ridiculous reasons, and yet we're somehow the untrustworthy ones. You take our ports, you use Pepe to justify it, and then you use our ports to force us into fighting pirates after this series of events.
Who in their right mind would expect terms like that to make any sense given the climate of the situation? You snuck into our ports, smacked us around and took some more, and then we were expected to trust you after that to give us our ports back while putting us in an even sketchier position by fighting the pirates when our relations were very uncertain with you as they were. This is why you're at war with virtually every faction sharing a border with you, it's this lack of sense and sight your faction has that has you in this position.
We left Cuba to take the fight to you, of course you'd love it if we were still defending Cuban ports with no ability to attack you back, things like what happened in Jamaica last night wouldn't have been possible if we were still in Spain. As pirates, we can not only attack, we can cover all the time-zones optimally that we couldn't as Spanish, so go ahead and try and sell this "you abandoned Spain" narrative, that tune is going to change very soon.
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If your on about South Cuba, then suggest it on the other topic on why Britain who techically has won the war for South Cuba should give it back, they still get vital ports as you say, just not those ones back which seems to be the main cause of the war was South Cuba. Spain wanted the other Southern Cuban ports, and Britain wanted the Islands etc etc. War broke out and now we have it to where we are now. Logically speaking in a war like this back then, those ports would be annexed into The British Empire and Spain would have made peace and gave into the demands of the british for them. If it was vise versa and spain took the british ports in that area then Spain of course would have them.
End of the day they still get there vital Coal, Gold and Fir ports which they can build Production buildings at, just not the ones in South Cuba.
My suggestions were already rejected by your council, that's why a war between Spain and Britain exists as of now, so I won't waste my breathe any longer on that issue.
To post on that forum would be out of place for me as I am not Spanish, and you have requested only Spanish and British players post suggestions there, and I will not speak for a nation that is suffering as a result of your decision to push for war against them as I have no direct stake in the conflict. My pact with Spain is purely honorable, and regardless of whether you make peace or not will not change the course I and the rest of us are on. You people had your chance to deal with us in a fair discussion of terms, you chose to run around in circles and avoid the prime issue that was plaguing our nations. You chose to react like this, and now you want peace after the fact?
Back then there wouldn't have been port timers preventing a nation from attacking another nation in it's prime-time, we're playing a game that has mechanics that restrict realistic behaviors. You haven't beaten Spain, you've simply tied it's hands behind it's back and forced it to take blow after blow, that's why we're pirates now, as pirates your faction can't hide behind timers from us.
If you had any sense of dignity or honor in this matter it wouldn't have come to war, and you wouldn't be proclaiming victory over a nation you slipped yourself into the belly of, and then began stabbing as soon as it's stomach grumbled. This conduct is inexcusable, and the fact that you are claiming victory over it only fuels the flames in the hearts of all Spanish and any who sympathize with the nation.
We Spanish corsairs have already chosen our lot in this matter, whatever the remaining Spanish choose to do will be respected by us, but they are not alone in their fight against you and we have found a better means in which to wage war on your over-reaching empire.
On that note, good luck in your negotiations.
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I know you were responding to charles, but that is why i did say fuck the past and move on, start afresh with Peace not allies, not one nation demanding the other what to do, just peace and being neutral. That surely would be acceptable to both nations. On the topic of ports see my post, if you don't like what i said suggest something new, add to it, take from it, change it the fuck about i don't care, just for fucks sakes make peace between the nations as this war is senseless, both sides were at fault i admit that, now lets move on and start afresh.
If your nation can't reconcile giving back vital ports to the Spanish, our vendetta against you doesn't end until your faction is completely pacified in a corner of the world all to yourselves. I won't presume to speak for Spain at this point, but one way or another the disputed territories that your faction refuses to return to Spain will be returned to them one way or another, you can either give them up or lose them in bloody conflict. At this point diplomacy has proven fruitless, and after what I've experienced with your faction's diplomats, I and the rest of us who have chosen to continue the fight as privateers on a front that accommodates our time schedules better, this is the only way it seems that will happen.
Honestly though, I'd continue to fight us wherever you can, because you've pushed us to the point of no return. As pirates, we fight for as long as we are told to fight, and we accommodate our long term goals as they arrive.
Edit: I saw your latest post, as I am no longer technically Spanish, I'll leave that discussion up to Spain and yourselves. The point of my post is to let both Spain know that we have not abandoned them, and you know that you've made terrible enemies upon your conduct with us when we attempted to unite the faction. If you happen to come to a deal with Spain, and it benefits them as it should without crippling strings attached, then I will rest easy for Spain. I just hope they don't sell themselves short in desperation, because time is the only thing Spain needs right now.
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If Spain's wants peace then why do all their members keep crying for war?
Does GB stop taking ports, relying on Spain's good nature and sense of honour?
If you think we should then send your diplomats and we'll talk.....
A peace in chains is not peace, it's slavery, and that's what you British either don't have the self-awareness to see in yourselves, or enjoy playing dumb in order to plead ignorance when the day comes that you are cornered with the facts of the matter.
We've already spoken, and all I got when discussing very simple issues with you and your fellows in your faction were circular arguments and lame excuses. Excuses like "if we give back these ports, the troops will revolt!", or "these ports aren't your ports just because they were once Spanish" when you know full well how valuable the ports that were being discussed were to the health of the faction and it's player base.
Throughout the entire discussion you'd keep going back to "Pepe did this and that" while at the same time talking about how we should leave everything in the past and move forward, as if this absolved you of your duty as allies to give us a fair deal and fulfill the promises you made to our faction as far as sovereignty was concerned.
Instead you clung to Pepe attacking you in the south of Cuba, a problem which was solved in the same day that it happened, a problem you failed to follow up on the success of the solution put forward. You decided to milk this issue and pushed full forward to continue annexing Cuba and holding onto the Yucatan ports that you were requested to assist in retaking due to the timers being set at a time that the Spanish nation could not retake due to the nature of how late it was. You instead chose to capitalize on your own failures in diplomacy, and then have the gall to use those ports like doggy treats to attack the pirates just for the sake of attacking them in the north side of Cuba. No self respecting nation would ever accept that deal, and I told you this the second you put it on the table, but you still pressed the issue until I took it back to the Spanish community and received the exact response we both knew was coming.
Pepe was taken out of the picture as far as diplomacy was concerned, and you still failed to come to an agreement with parties who were willing to compensate you justly for your efforts in retaking vital ports to the Spanish nation, you instead chose to take advantage of the situation in a spineless and manipulative manner that was deemed unacceptable by our nation.
You think because we left to the pirates that we've simply abandoned our comrades in Spain? Keep dreaming, your nation has a rude awakening coming it's way, and it's heralds are tearing your faction apart from all directions. Your warped reality of being the victims, being true gentlemen in negotiations will evaporate in the coming weeks with the countless enemies you've made throughout your endeavors as leaders of your nation. Had your leaders possessed the competence, the foresight, whatever it is that you people lack particularly, you could have avoided all of this. Instead, you chose greed, manipulation, and now your greedy port acquiring has acquired you far more than you bargained for. You should take notes from the pirates you look down upon, when I spoke to them they exuded strength in their terms and how we would go about them. They were not riddled in insecurities and excuses, they were sealed in reasonable promises and firm projections towards the future and trust was built on these foundations.
The loyalty that myself and the former members of RACC have for our nation do not simply disappear with a change of flags, you'll learn this eventually if it hasn't already become apparent to you in the past few days.
Edit: Don't get me wrong though, I actually prefer things to play out this way, your faction is way too strong as is and our only option for PvP would've been to go back down and fight the Dutch on our timezone. Especially after witnessing the gracious terms the Danes gave to their once former enemies and our allies, the French, it should tell you something when enemies can come to proper and generous terms better than you can come to terms with your own allies.
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[PVP 1] Danes got lit up at Tiburon today
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If you honestly can't connect dots together then I don't know how to help you man, I'm not even sure what you're asking/trying to get at with your question.