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After our previous war with the Spanish (led by RAE) we entered a state of agreement where we would not attack each others ports. Open world combat was still permitted as requested by your diplomat. We were on fairly friendly terms, we had good fights with each other and our captains saluted each other for their valour after battle. When the Pirates attacked us, you stood and watched. Then, when offered previously held US territory by the Pirates you jumped at the chance and dissolved all treaties with the US. You saw a chance to grab some ports, stabbed the US in the back when we were at our weakest, without so much of an afterthought. Who was responsible for this? RAE. Just like the first war we had, and the second, and now the third. The result every time has been the same, the Spanish loose.
In the past we have helped you back on your feet. When we were still hostile with the British we gave you ports in the gulf. We captured British ports and left them with open timers for you to take. During the 2nd war we had, we constantly offered peace, despite taking all but 4 of your ports. During our peaceful time, we acted as a middle man to negotiate a peace between Spain and Britain. The main issue were two ports... Conttoy and Mugeres. Spain did not want the British to have them and the British did not want Spain to have them. We offered to be what I believe the Spanish call "Blue Helmets" (The UN Peaceforce), allowing the two nations to stop fighting. The British agreed, the Spanish were too stubborn and hellbent on revenge. You COULD of had peace. But instead, you created a war you could not win, while simultaneously declaring war on someone trying to help you for a few yellow pixels on a map.
We have a saying, it is "You don't bite the hand that feeds you". I believe in Spanish it is "No muerdas la mano que te da de comer." Well, you bit the hand. So don't complain.
Después de la guerra anterior con el español (dirigido por RAE) entramos en un estado de acuerdo en que no atacarían a los demás puertos. combate mundo abierto todavía estaba permitido conforme a lo solicitado por el diplomático. Estábamos en términos bastante amable, tuvimos buenas peleas entre ellos y con nuestros capitanes saludamos unos a otros por su valor después de la batalla. Cuando los piratas nos atacaron, se puso de pie y observaba. Entonces, cuando se les ofrece anteriormente ocupó el territorio de Estados Unidos por los piratas que dejó pasar la oportunidad y se disolvieron todos los tratados con los EE.UU.. Usted vio la oportunidad de agarrar algunos puertos, los EE.UU. apuñalado por la espalda cuando estábamos en nuestra más débil, sin tanto de una idea de último momento. ¿Quién fue el responsable de esto? RAE. Al igual que la primera guerra que teníamos, y la segunda, la tercera y ahora. El resultado cada vez que ha sido la misma, el flojo español.
En el pasado les hemos ayudado a volver a sus pies. Cuando todavía estábamos hostil con los británicos les dimos puertos en el golfo. Se capturaron puertos británicos y los dejamos con temporizadores abiertas para que usted tome. Durante la segunda guerra que teníamos, hemos ofrecido sin cesar la paz, a pesar de tomar todos menos 4 de sus puertos. Durante nuestro tiempo de paz, hemos actuado como un intermediario para negociar una paz entre España y Gran Bretaña. El tema principal eran dos puertos ... Conttoy y mugeres. España no quería que los británicos tienen de ellos y los británicos no quería que España tenerlos. Nos ofrecieron a ser lo que creo que la llamada española "cascos azules" (La Fuerza de Paz de la ONU), lo que permite que las dos naciones dejen de pelear. Los británicos acordado, el español eran demasiado terco y empeñado en la venganza. Se podría, por tenido paz. Pero en cambio, que ha creado una guerra que no podía ganar, mientras que al mismo tiempo que se declara la guerra a alguien tratando de ayudar a unos pocos píxeles de color amarillo en el mapa.
Tenemos un dicho, es "No muerdas la mano que te da de comer." Bueno, mordió la mano. Así que no se quejan.
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The Spanish nation alone is at fault for this situation. We were once friendly, but you stabbed us in the back for a few ports handed to you by your Pirate owners. Now they have left you, you will bathe in the blood of your own making.
You can blame RAE for this. They were the ones who got you in to this mess, just like the last time.-
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As a British person playing American... Making that post hurt me a little. The British by far have the best breakfast (English Breakfast and a nice cup of tea).
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Let's face it... No matter what the developers do, there will always be a tool to show your location. They might as well just put your ships position on the map and get it over and done with.
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Are you crazy? Do you wake up at 4am (as an example) just to play a port battl?? Hahahahah man, that's insane.
Yes, we have done. Many times. Sometimes I would wake up several hours early before work for a port battle.
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Exlain it... i'm listening. Why americans are not playing in the american server ?? Why the other players have to deal with those timers that doesnt fit the server timezone?
You, americans (not united state of america players ) have a very unfair advantage and thats a fact
The "European" server used to be just "The Server". There was only one, for a long long time.
Americans made it their home, they made lots of friends. So we faced a choice when they added the new servers... Do we stay at our home server, with all of our European friends, or do we leave? Server location did not really effect the game that much, so we decided to stay. It is as simple as that.
Nothing to do with timezones, or port battles, or any of the irrelevant points you make. We were here from the beginning and we chose to stay.
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Soooo.... Pretty much how POTBS worked?
It looks good in theory, just a shame you could not have done it from the very beginning of Port Battles when many people suggesting a similar system. -
Wow... you have done nothing against us but lose port after port until you hide behind your timers. So dont say you have won anything after Sorry abandon you... And this is a thread about our war, not about your personal issues.
No? Funny how people remember things differently. How about you jump off the forums and come pay me a visit?
There is nothing personal here, just correcting our young plumber friend. But so good of you to sweep it aside so in such a blasé fashion.
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Yes, let US recap US History.
1. Since i was running fleets US conquered all up to gulf of mexico, kicked France from Gulf, kicked Spanish, kicked Brit.
Uhh, really?. That was me. You were made a fleet commander to command the fleets when I was not present. I organised, pooled, and led the port battles in the West of Florida, Gulf, all the way down to the Yucatan. Credit where credit is due, you did lead a handful of port battles around the Yucatan area, including buying a false port flag. The most memorable battle for me was the one you led at Mugeres vs the Australian British Clan. Remember, the one where you went out of the line, getting cut off between half a dozen enemy ships, only to limp to the edge of the battle before exiting to not lose your previous "violet" mods.
2. Manage to hold the Pirates on hold being the 2nd biggest nation after Brit.
Again, claiming credit where your actions did little to contribute. You logged on, expecting command in a battle, when we were already in full swing.
3. I lost only 1 pb in 90+ports, then they gave command to Thurston Beers, and he lost 3 fight in a raw vs pirates starting usa decline.
Read #1 reply. Also, remember all those ships we sunk taking the Gulf?! Oh no, wait... They were all empty ports. So you are either claiming credit for taking empty ports, or lying about leading them. Either way, this does nothing to help you. Thurston Beers led REAL battles against REAL players, not AI. He lost 3 that he led, but he also won several battles too. Remember, if your going to use facts, you need to use all of them!4. Since i left together with the most valuable and high ranked players (Stars & Stripes)
Yes, you had a lot of high ranks players and big ships. No question about it.5. US lost most capable/high ranked clan (Stars & Stripes as well many players left TF for join us)
Many? It was a handful of people, ultimately doing us a favour in the long term.
6. US lost some of this best pvpers (Tommy shelby and others are swedish)
3 players, just 3. Not because of you either.
7. US lost his coast of Florida twice.
We did indeed, but it happens. We could have defended against you, as demonstrated when we tied up your main fleet with ours while taking 6 other ports with additional fleets. The problem is, it was boring. Holding 25 players in a Port Battle with the sole intention of keeping your fleet busy took time, and a lot of patience. When people only have 2-3 hours to play we couldn't justify making them sit there twiddling their thumbs while our fleets stare each other down.
8. US lost the propaganda campaign vs my clan, growing from 30 members to 140
You keep talking about this propaganda campaign, but it only exists for you my friend. Your clan grew because you could buy members and incite them with rapid levelling up techniques. I'm not saying this wasn't smart, but it isn't exactly something you want to boast about.
9. Lost Bahamas 4-5 times
3 times by my count, 2 times by the Pirate Council and once by you. But we have also taken it back 4 times.
10. Lost All remain of usa lands (-77 ports in 10 days)
Pssst, no one was defending. Again, not something to boast about. You went in, no opposition, and took a port. Great job buddy!
11. Manage to not win a single 3rd rate+ engagement in both campaigns.
Hahaha, now this is funny. I know YOU personally had two Santi's capture from you. One from your crafting account and the second outside of port. I think what it comes down to is this, your members are either too scared to let other people know they have lost ships, or they simply lie about it. To make the claim you have not lost a single 3rd rate or above is just nothing but pure and utter faecal matter.
12. Manage to not win a single port battle vs my clan at full force
See number 7. However if you mean in a 25 vs 25 fight, then I agree with you. There was only one fight where we were evenly matched and we lost it, however all other fights we were under-gunned and up against the odds. You had a strong fleet, no doubts there.
13. Lost the only first rate fleet you manage to rally up (Ays losing 14 ships sinking 0 )
Number 12 pretty much answers this.
14. Failed to rally a first/2nd rate fleet since then, (while all other nation where able consistently to form up mono first rate fleets, Brits, Pirates, France, Denmark, Dutch, Swedish, i think also Spain)
Inactivity is a bummer, every nation is suffering, including yours. Sadly the game is waning for those older players, rapidly getting boring.
15. Lost 70% of its population thx to all this failure
I hate to burst your bubble, but the decline of the US nation is really nothing to do with you. We simply adapted, moving about free towns attacking in open world PVP combat. Ports mean little at the moment, and will until additional content is added. Every nation population is at an all time low. If you want to take credit for that, then there is something very wrong with you.
16. Failed to accomplish any victory whatsoever vs any other nation.
France, Britain, Spain, Pirates. Actually, we've won quiet a lot. This was before you, with you as a US player, and after. Britain pre-steam, Spain from steam release for about 6 months, pushing them down to 3 ports, France in the Gulf, and Pirates both pre-steam and post-steam.
17. Failed to organise and finish any aggressive campaign you started
Again... France, Britain, Spain, Pirates
18. Lost more clans to pirates (include new ones that come from pvp2)
The US in PVP2 is the dominant nation there, they come over to PVP1 and have you nattering in their ear like a demented devil, and join the dominant nation. Nothing to boast about on your side, human nature dictates that we join the group with the best odds.
19. Failed to retake anything from Spain.
La Anguiolla, Islamorada, Cayo largo, Cayo Bisayno. You know, just some random ports that were taken, defended, taken, re-captured. Perhaps you missed that?
20. Failed to retake West Florida from us after a very timid tentative
Not quiet sure what you mean here by a very timid tentative, do you mean an unsteady disposition perhaps?
21. Failed to rally a single clan able to fill a fleet by itself (pirates got koto, rubli, sorry, brit, slrn, the ozzy etc and i can go on with almost all nations)
Currently, no. However neither can most of the clans you listed. Inactivity and lack of interest.
22. Failed every diplomacy/strategical choice (like failed to assault pirate twice and lose all US territory as consequence).
Funny, we are still friends with the Dutch for 2 years, the Swedish for a year, and the British for 6 months. Spain got new diplomacy after one of their key diplomats left the game, the new ones were much more supportive with the Pirates so turned on the US. Not exactly a failure, 3 out of 4 resulted in a long term relationship.
23. Become a Brit puppet (screening and serving them when we sieged Carlisle, receiving 0 help in return when US was in need)
Actually, it goes both ways. We screen for them every now and again, pulling false flags etc. They've done the same. That's what partners do, you know... Support each other.
24. Alienate the only 2 nations near your borders (Spain-Pirates)Again, we were at peace with Spain, and tentatively with the Pirates for a period. Realistically we were never going to be friends with the Pirates. Spain, as you know, is much more complicated what with their internal struggle for power.
25. So tell me exactly what US manage to achieve in their entire naval action history, tbh compared to all other nations who got first rate fleets, good clans ,up and downs, in their history/territory, US always failed every campaign-fight, and failed to grow and improve. And clearly you still in full delusional mode since you still fail to realise/see all of this
Well actually, as you can see... You are speaking from your bottom for the most part. Almost, if not all of the points you've made are easily dismissed with simple facts. My feeling is that you are still playing the keyboard warrior. Lying out your ass with some sort of weird intention of bigging yourself up.
You want to destroy and tear apart the US nation... You can't, and you won't. Take our ports, buy our overpriced ships (yes, we know you've been doing that), do whatever you like. We can function without them, and we will always be here.
You came, you huffed, and you puffed... And you didn't blow the house down.
P.S Please, for the love of god, use capital letters on your "i"'s and countries. I know English is not your native language but in Italian they still use capital letters with names, countries etc. No excuses!-
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I always thought that if during battle you've killed say, 75% of the crew, the moral should break and the ship will surrender.
Imagine you are a sailor on a ship like the Connie, 450 crew in total. During battle, 337 of your crew die. Blood, guts, body parts littering the ship everywhere, literally an inch of human flesh and insides scattering the deck... and you're going to carry on fighting? Yeah, not a chance in hell. -
This game is not a historical game as no 1 single person could build a ship and very few sailed SOLs. This is a sandbox, if a pirate wants to sail an SOL (for some unknown reason), they should be able to. I'm all for removing port capture. And I will never craft or sail an SOL, but solely removing pirates ability to sail SOLs based on history is a joke. Also, I think it would be hard to implement in game as they can be bought from free town marketplaces.
Crafting a SOL and sailing a SOL are two very different things.
My hope is that provisions will make it expensive to sail around large ships, with a smaller cost for smaller ships (in a non-linear fashion). Imagine if it cost you 100,000 gold to sail a 1st rate for an in game day, as opposed to say... 5,000 to sail a frigate for an in game day. Your comment is understandable though, there are a lot of posts in this thread that address your concerns (and equally as many that share them).
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Well, when you surrender? I still trying know how bath work. Last weekend i capture a yellow conie to my dear mr vernon, but he scape, so i lost my oportunity to know to bath. XD
Even though the translation is lost a little, the meaning carries well. Good to see you back Alado
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Salty from what exactly? I have had nothing but great fun the last few weeks, PVP has been wonderful down at Key West.
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Dear gentlemen,
After the USA pefidious attack on CayoVacas a few days ago that started the war between Spain & USA, borders were preserved from any further attacks from both sides. Spain was showing a will to settle the conflict by a non-agression attitude and was indeed hoping to witness the same will from USA.
USA has sadly decided to attack again our borders by trying to take Islamorada yesturday (by 16-18h server time). The 24 ships who attacked were utterly defeated and sunk for most of them.
Spain is now convinced that USA is not looking for peace with its spanish neighbourg.
War will carry on as they wish.
Now, in case USA would like to show any respectful fighting spirit, we would appreciate the US not to hide behind the timer issues by doing the following:
- Any port newly taken will be set without timer (or with negociated new timers), both nations will respect this rule.
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- Both nations do not attack each other ports untill a new partch is changing the timer issue.
I recommand USA to look at some other nations that are fighting as real gentlemen by setting "game-play" timers despite they deal with players from different continents.
We look forward to reading your comments.
Contact was made and a non aggressive attitude was provided, however you insisted on the war, which we are now giving you. This is all of your own making my friend, or would you like me to post a recording of our talks on to the forums to prove so?
You talk of honour, but have clans like RAE behaving like repulsive little children, entering a combatants teamspeak during a port battle and screaming at the top of their lungs. It is RAE who threw a tantrum at the US/Spanish relations, they forced the Spanish Council in to a war and you did not have the balls to stand up to them and their pirate allies. What it seems like from over here is that you are lacking the parts to be a gentleman, perhaps we should refer to you as gentle-ladies?
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This is what really gets me... We had an agreement with the Spanish Council. Borders are established, lines are drawn and respected. Open world PVP combat only, everything was fine.
Spain sits back and watches as the Pirates take US ports, They then say "We no longer respect our agreement with the US", and charge in to take the ports captured by Mario and his Toadstools. Some clans from the US then start taking back ports that were lost and Spain says "Hey, stop attacking our ports that we took from the pirates that they took from you that we agreed were yours!" And the US are the aggressors? My suggestion is that you depart hastily in the direction of shove, and off (I would love to use more colourful words here).
Spanish players have been crying for so long about how people keep stabbing them in the back. The US never has, and never will stab a mutual partner in the back. The Spanish nation has just lost one of their few neighbours that were actively looking out for them (as you full know from our discussion).-
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Sam and Johny, as a grammar fanatic your posts infuriate me beyond rational... Capitalise your sentences, use punctuation, and spell-check your posts!
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Honestly, frigate/heavy frigate ship battles are much more fun at the moment than that with ship of the line battles. The sluggish slow moving behemoths can be fun to sail at times, but really the speed/turning/reload is just too slow to make it enjoyable. Besides, I am in love with my Constitution at the moment, I've been taking on 1st and 2nd rates solo and capturing relatively easily after a few stern rakes.
Stern-rakes are a little underwhelming at the moment, the damage caused to crew needs to at the very least be doubled. Cannonballs and grape ripping down the length of a ships deck would turn the inside of any ship in to a blood and guts smoothie.-
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Meh, we talked about it since the wee months of early access, way before all this stuff with SORRY etc... The problem is, the devs are as stubborn as it gets. Chances are, doing this will only reinforce their resolve, delaying any sort of changes.
But, in the mean time... The game is broken. Play it broken or make it even more, that is the option we have. -
I'm the same, and I hate it when you quote something and it removes the space from the quote and your post. I always go back in an edit it to re-add the space and it drives me nuts!
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Sell the Bellona, buy a trader ship.
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When hearing a member reading out Mario's demands
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Not going to happen my spanner wielding friend, we are simply having too much fun at the moment
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Does this mean we can call the Admin a "Venomed beef-witted malt-worm!"?
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La buena voluntad Holandesa, el cinismo Britis y la ayuda que necesitamos
in Naval Action - Spanish language
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You are right Fearless, we did make an alliance with the British. However, as explained to your diplomat, the alliance was against the Pirates, not the Spanish. When we gave the ports to the British the condition was specifically that they only used them to fight the Pirates, not the British.
Your diplomat was notified of the details before it happened, and no objection was raised.