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Still recruiting.
We are the most active Pirate community in game, also currently hosting the Pitate community teamspeak and organising a large amount of the Port Battles.
We own Nassau and several of the surrounding Ports and have succesffuly organised defences against both the Brits and Americans.
If you are after a bunch of friendly and fun people to play with that allow you to enjoy the game the way you want then we are the guys for you!
Kuthara - Keeper of the Oath and Lord Protector of Nassau, Governors Harbour, Alabastar Rocks.
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Great guild. Highly recommend.
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I think chat issues are going to be more and more of an issue as we seen the influx of new players. It is to be expected but but is obviously not acceptable.
Perhaps the Devs should consider having some community moderators to monitor chat and deal with these small infractions on the spot.
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Will this redeemble be ok if i choose to goto pirate? i'm sick of armchair admirals already on the brit side and were only in basic cutters...
Yargh come and join the Pirates. We have plentifull amounts of grade A Booty.
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A random screenshot, with no signs of exploiting anything with a dude with an FTS tag on.
Erm.
There are no screenshots in this thread at all and not once was your guild mentioned or any of your players before you all started coming into here and throwing accusations at every other Pirate clan you can find... Still no one has pointed the finger at you but you are still managing to take insult while attempting to deal out unfounded and random accusations.
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Except.. FTS doesn't sail out of MT for anything other than trade.
We moved shortly after the server launched yesterday.
I would really like to see some screenshots, actually preferably VIDEO where it shows these things happening.
NO ONE HAS CLAIMED FTS ARE DOING ANYTHING!
Seriously...
The purpose of this thread was to point out that it IS being done by certain people. I deliberately did not name any guilds or players because I did not want it to turn into a 'he said' 'she said' immature shouting match which is exactly what you are turning it into even though your guild was not named or even insinuated against.
I think this can be closed. The devs are aware of it and evidence has been submitted via F11 in game.
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what i know of FTS has done nothing like that..and none of them are doing it..with the knowledge i have...the only exp farming FTS has done has been through missions
Erm. I have not mentioned FTS at all. I am simply saying this is an issue.
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I am sure the admins can check and find it. Reports are put in as and when it is come across. I do not see any benefit in naming the suspects in here and or providing screen shots of their levels because it will only stir up the hornets nest. I would rather like to make people aware of the situation and issue so that it can come to a timely resolution that does not involve 10-20 guys spamming it the moment you mention one of their names.
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Unfortunately you may have waited too long to implement this fix. The same group that were abusing it before are already well into it again with some of their players rank 3 within a few hours of the game coming up and now rank 4-5.
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I have just had a FTS player Thomas Morgan join a battle my friend and I were having with a Mercury. We aimed to capture the ship and informed him upon entering the battle. He then preceded to shoot balls into the hull even after we had demast the merc and were in the progress of graping it simply to deny us the capture.
I would also like to make mention of this
Which involves FTS again being agressive towards another clan after a player was interested in joining them. The player Stirge is FTS calling the guild BLACK 'Fucking role players'.
This hostile and quite frankly insulting behaviour needs to stop. We have had ex FTS members join our community team speak and they have stated that this behaviour is ACTIVELY encouraged by FTS leadership which I find appalling.
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I have personally witnessed these gents slander and abuse other Pirates, especially those who decide they want to be in other guilds. I have seen them insult the guild RUM and more recently have a go at BIA for no apparent reason in chat.
I think it comes down to the fact that some Pirates still have a sense of honour, others do not.
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Updates to the Teamspeak, new members and a website in the works! Come join the community!
We are currently looking for new players who would like to sail with us and those who enjoy large battles and hosted events.
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I swore we just had pirates telling us until they were blue in the face that they didn't do this anymore.
Pirate v. Pirate XP is being removed, if memory serves.
I do not think this is being used by the vast majority of Pirates who like myself, my clan and those who I know think that it is a cheap exploit. However there is a particular group who are currently doing it and are actually encouraging new players to do it also. I have a feeling that if it is not solved, it WILL spiral out of control.
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Hello,
I am not going to be naming players or guilds here however there has been an increasing and quite concerning trend developing within a specific group of people within the Pirate Nation. This is not about trying to point fingers and acuse anyone but rather to highlight the issue and hopefully find a resolution for it.
Basically this group of players are sailing away from the home town and one of them will have a large ship, St Paval, Vic or Santi. The other ships will engage him, shoot him until he is almost dead, then retreat and repeat. This means that the players are basically boosted with tons of xp in a very quick time frame with next to no risk.
More recently they have begin doing this with neutral players serving as the stand in enemy for the battle also.
I think this is a clear exploit of game mechanics and a solution for it would be fantastic, especially considering the up coming wipe.
Thank you,
Kuth.
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Thank you for looking into this but I think that is quite frankly a shocking response from administration. I was asked to put this thread up and administration reviewed the video and said they could clearly see something was amiss and I should post the video on the Tribunal also.Tommy Shelby was cleared from all accusations according to server logs (of course we expected it to happen)
Kuthara was shot at by the Player Sirzechs for small damage to sails which affected Kuthara's exit timer.
Players should avoid making direct accusations like this especially if they don't know all mechanics and how they work.
Personally I think the Tribunal system is nothing short of a joke. Things like this should be submitted to administration and settled away from the heckling and interference of other players. I understand the idea was to make a place where players could serve judgement the upon other players. However in a competitive game with people having strong opinions and often grudges against other players it is near impossible to settle something like this in an unbiased fashion. It simply falls into squabbling and finger pointing across the board.
I apologise that I was mistake that Tommy had done anything wrong but he was also very quick to point the finger at me and brand all pirates as griefers.
I would like to add that I am not challenging the outcome. If that's what the logs say then that is fine. Just do not presume that I should know better about putting something of this forum when it was Admin that pointed me in its direction.
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Lets use this example as a learning tool. We all should think twice about starting a tribunal until we are able to present the logs or video as proof. I think Kutai would not have been attacked for his accusation so much if he had presented his video in the first post.
I am frowning a little at Tommy's chat log though. When asked if the rats planned on doing anything the response was "nope" and that they were pirates getting drunk. It wasn't till Tommy challenged them on griefing that they started firing at him. So it appears that they may get out of a "griefing" charge because they ultimately did throw cannon balls toward Tommy but the intention seems clear enough that it wasn't their original plan.
We all need to realize that as much as griefing is tempting and no one wants to loose their ports, it really ruins the game play for all involved as the griefing will happen both ways if its allowed. If you want to prevent an enemy from reaching a battle then at least give an honest fight. If you start to loose you can still run most of the time.
I think you will find we were constantly hitting him from the moment we started the battle. Unless you are saying that we sat there and did not fire at him for 30 minutes and then only begun once he spoke... if so why did he not leave. Your accusation is completely unfounded.
As the for the Tribunal I was asked to make this thread and then supply the video once I had it to hand and the administration had reviewed it.
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Finally someone who seems to understand.
Could we realistically sink or seriously cripple the Santi with our two frigates? Apparently not. (Although I still contest that fact but feel free to blame that on my noobness)
Could we harras the ship and cause significant damage to its sails and masts.. Yes. Would this directly affect the larger battles happening outside of this one.. Yes.
So by definition with was not a pointless battle engaged upon simply to annoy the player and cause him the untold amount of stress and anguish that we seem to have done.
In addition to this the player had the opportunity to engage us with his frigates but instead used his Santi as a physical block to prevent us from hitting them while they escaped. This is what left him alone against our two Frigates.
What he seems to think we should have done is either rush into the Santis range and engage him on his own terms or otherwise leave him to do as he wishes with immunity. Sorry but it does not work that way.
People seem to completely miss the fact that this player placed himself in this situation through poor judgement and what would appear to be delusions of grandeur where he expected we should allow him to go on his way or fall to his guns simply because he is in a larger ship.
In addition to this the player was not FORCED to stay. We did not burst into his house and tie him to his chair and prevent him from doing anything. He always had the opportunity to surrender.
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its just better if this get locked. This is a neverending story.
It does not matter who did what. It matters how we can make sure it does not unbalance things after EA.
Agreed - There is a place for suggestions and the Tribunal is not it. This is an argument that will not be settled in here any time soon.
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I would like for you to go back and read my latest comment.
At no point did i make this Tribunal with the intention of pointing fingers. I was asked by Admin to make a new thread in which we could discuss "passive aggressive pirates" as admin called it.
I made the thread in the Tribunal since we were already in the tribunal. I'm sorry if i offended you and i sincerely hope you will go back and read my latest comments..
As i said, i hold no grudge against you but i would like to find a solution to the problem which this has highlighted (EG; The use of cutters to pull your guys into battle and the way i was locked into a battle instance in which my enemy did not do any considerable damage what so ever. In my opinion both of these examples should be considered griefing but as stated by others; If game mechanics allow it people will take advantage of it.)
I see,
Yet your original post and your post in the previous tribunal very obviously points fingers at myself and my fellow clan member as 'Passive aggressive' pirates. Now that I have come back with several rebuttals to this you are attempting to come across as the nice, friendly person in an attempt to try and make me look like the aggressor.
It is very easy to see through your vein attempt at deflecting the fact that you placed yourself in that situation, you know this and have been put into a position where you can no longer argue that.
Also, I do not think the situation of a cutter being able to pull in an entire fleet and YOU deciding to tell your escort to leave you in battle against us is anywhere near the same. As I have stated on here, YOU chose to put yourself in that situation and expected us to simply leave you alone after you had covered the retreat of your frigates. That is quite obviously not going to happen.
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You do remember that you started all this by accusing Tommy of exploiting / cheating because you were doing no damage with your hits.
Summary: two players are not very good at the game. So bad, in fact, that Tommy felt they were griefing rather than just being incompetent. Case closed.
If developers want to endorse this sort of "strategic play" that leads to hours of boredom, that is cool, but it would be better for the game to think of ways to keep fights from devolving into completely pointless max range kiting fests (I would making max range gunnery have more realistic accuracy, i.e. basically hopeless and unlikely to achieve hits consistently enough to hold someone in an instance.
No frigate in reality was ever able to attack an SoL and fire on it from long range over and over again without taking return fire. Completely artificial situation.
I see you have not read any of this thread and are simply jumping to the aid of your friend. So I will discount your post and your not very well veiled insults and forget it was ever made.
I see you edited your post rather sharpish.
So lets sum this up shall we, you are complaining that two new pirate players were griefing US players by using game mechanics that are not against the rules and in fact only capitalising upon a situation that the said US players had CHOSEN to put themselves in while at the same time coming onto the forums in MASS to point fingers, accuse and then insult said pirate players....
Hm....
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Kutai as Puchu said, the admin has passed on from the tribunal and takes this oppertunity to come to a ruleset.
What happened or what did not happen is not really that important anymore and most likely no action will be taken
So lets focus onto the thing the admin has asked in this tribunal and come to an ruleset.
I understand that and I believe that we should work together to make a more solid and fair ruleset. However this Tribunal was a finger pointing exercise against myself and my clan mate which I am not happy to simply let slide. If the Tribunal is over then it should be closed and a new thread started in the Suggestions area in order to work around a new solution.
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To Admin and for discussion:
Distance based timers might solve the issue. (Depending on the set distance of course)
EDIT: To win vs a santi you need to get close and stay out of its gun arcs. Staying out of its gun range will make it impossible for you to do any damage to it. You didnt know that before, now you know. If you want to learn it, contact me in game or ask Manuva on SLRN, he can show you, im sure.
We do not have to sink the Santi to win the fight. Simply doing damage to it and keeping it engaged with us while the larger battle happens outside is a victory. If we can cripple or damage the Santi then that is even better. Again, Tommy CHOSE to put himself in that situation. It is not something that was FORCED upon him.
He chose to sit behind the rest of his fleet
He chose to not pay attention to his surroundings
He chose to send his escort away once engaged in battle
He chose not to surrender
At which point did we force ourselves on him in a passive aggressive manner?
THAT is what this Tribunal was about.
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Kutai, you are a new player.
It's understandable you dont now what's possible and what's pointless.
At this point you can stop worrying about the tribunal.
Please just accept the answers from people who have way more than 1000h played, that your actions in that fight would never ever made you sink or capture that ship.
You would have had to do a lot of stuff different to actually have a chance of doing any significant damage to the santi. I will not get into detail on this, but be assured, it is very well possible to take down a first rate with 2 superfrigates (e.g. connies). Just not in the way that you did it.
There is a huge risk for Sols to sail around solo, there is a huge risk for Sols not only because they are slow, but also because they only have 1 durability, and if you loose it, it really hurts.
What Tommy wanted you to do is put up a fight where you could actually damage him.
Sorry if I do not take your word for it.
Let me lay this out -
1) Tommy deliberately placed himself in that situation by sending his fleet away.
2) There was a much larger battle happening outside of this one where the denial of the US main player and ship would have a substantial impact
3) We were given a time limit by the game to cause as much damage as possible to the ship that we can. Even if we were unable to sink it, any damage we caused would directly translate into the ongoing battle in the area
4) We had to stay outside of the Santis gun range in order to even hope to have a chance of surviving.
5) The Santi had the option to surrender if our 'griefing' was too overwhelming for him.
I would also like to add, since this seems to be a pointing finger exercise..
The reason the Pirate fleet was split up in the first place was we were constantly being pulled into fights with cutters who were using NPC fleets to balance the BR difference. Right outside of the port we just took, half our fleet got caught in a battle just as we bought the flag. The group with the flag then got pulled into a fight as we left ours by some small ships who again used the NPCs around to make up the BR difference before instantly running away. This happened 4-5 times over 1-2 hour period. It resulted in us being massively split and giving the US a chance to form their fleet up and blockade our flag carrier. When our flag carrier attempted to make a break for it, the US fleet engaged. Because me and my friend had been separated we engaged from the opposite side of the conflict and managed to single out Tommy and his two frigate friends.
So, what the US were doing is deliberately pulling our LARGE fleets into battle using small/insignificant ships in order to delay us long enough for their main fleet to get here with NO possibility of all of being able to win the conflict. We engage the main US player in his gold Santi in ships that can actually damage it and HE choses to place himself against us ALONE and suddenly we are the passive aggressive players....
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Lets me do the math for you
6 frigates to cap a santi in 40 minutes,
this time, you want to kill him then you dont need to de-crew the ship. so you have around 30 minutes with 6 ships. So With
2 frigates to kill a santi = 30*3 = 90 minutes = 1.5 hours, The santi has some time to leave with his repair. xD
Which would mean we could significantly damage him while he was away from the rest of his fleet. Which would impact upon the larger battle happening in the area and basically take their main player and a gold Santi out of the fight. I think that is a legitimate tactic. If we were greifing him so much that he no longer wanted to fight, he had the option to surrender. We were given a time limit to do as MUCH damage as we could to the Santi, do you expect us not to use that?
FTS - Snail
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Hello!
Sorry to have to bring this up in the Tribunal however I would like to present this for the Tribunal to review. I know this will instantly receive a dozen or more negative comments from FTS who like to spam anything that is said against them with reports however I present it anyway.
I was engaged with a 3rd rate and 2 Renoms outside of Mortimers. Included in the battle was several randoms and 4-5 FTS members.
While the FTS members engaged the Renoms I engaged the 3rd rate and began to strip its crew. As you can see from the screen shot I did more than my fair share of damage to the 3rd Rate crew and was well on my way to completing the decrewing procedure in order to capture.
I was using the standard stay on his hip, and cross back and forth unleashing a broad side every time right up his stern. 20 minutes or so in both Renoms are sunk and FTS members join the chase on the third rate. FTS Snail begins to mirror my movements behind the ship however has the outside lane. So as I cross the back of the third rate, he is on the opposite side of me. Rather than wait for me to clear, he shoots his broadside into my ship, then immediately spins into me in a manuvour that can only be describes as deliberate as I had absolutely no where else to go and he did. He collided with my ship, him being in a frigate and me in a Niagra he has the tonnage advantage, he continued to push my ship right around the 3rd rate and both into the wind and the 3rd rates guns. Between the 3rd rates broadside and the ram my ship was put out of action and I had to leave the battle with very little time left before my ship sank.
I have not witnessed this kind of action from FTS for some time and I was actually starting to think they had grown up. I guess not.
This was nothing more than an obvious action to prevent me from capping the 3rd rate. (Not that I even planned to do so) As they wanted it for themselves.