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I have to agree.As of now there is no incentive to leave a massive zerg faction if you:
A. Enjoy crafting with little reason to fear losing your ports/crafting hubs/trade routes.
B. Enjoy winning battles on sheer numbers alone/enjoy being a part of a large community.
C. Enjoy safety/security of leveling near your capital without major ganks occurring.
Spain is right in the middle of the two largest zergs on the server and has none of the above, and I still see people who actively disregard the idea of joining (or rejoining) Spain's ranks because of these very reasons. I understand other factions such as the French have been able to reverse their situation nearly completely, but without the ability to even gather 20+ players up at any given time on Spain we are stuck in a quagmire as a faction.
Spain is truly hard mode.
Human nature is what it is and that may be what Vllad us not taking into account. I watched POTBS degrade from a real actively healthy pvp game out of beta into an extreme PVE game with the few hardcore pvp rs cross teaming out of shear effort to get pvp. Now as Vllad said, there will always be nation hopping. This will be by bored pvp rs looking for some action and panicked PVE/crafters following their nation getting crushed. That is how POTBS was running mid stream. In the end human nature found its way. The crafters responded by simply crafting in all four nations so the no longer cared what rvr shifts the map had. The PVE players all gravitated to the high population nations which allowed them to hide in the masses grinding out NPCs at cat island and SC like there was no tomorrow. The PVE players and gladiatorial pvp players did so much forum whining that so many restrictions were placed on pvp that the hard core rvr were forced to nation hop regularly to maintain enough players fir port battles.
I believe we should see the same human nature driven paths in Naval Action though at an accelerated rate in the Alpha due to increased player freedom. So yes, I don't believe Spain will be attractive to any but the most hard core pvp player. More so I can't see any reason to join Spain unless it is an entire clan defecting from another nation to do it. Certainly PVE or crafter minded players will fair much better in a high pop nation since markets in this game are mostly closed to own nations and resource driven.
As to NA alpha? Crafters in small pop nations are probably already running accounts in multiple nations. Pvp players bored in Zerg nations are already hopping nations. PVE players are already seeking out secluded or Zerg protected spots to grind endlessly fir 1st rates so they can grind in first rates some more. In one month, we seem to have followed the POTBS path of the first three years. But that makes sense as we're dealing with the same human nature issues. So the question is now, what would NA change to avoid this when the game goes live? I believe an official alliance or political system that allows allies to help without having to nation hop is one good one. Second the game needs a way to avoid stagnation. Ports should naturally revert back to the original owners if not being used by the conquering nation somehow.
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It's nice and all but in the end it's more micro managing than its probably worth. I don't see it as a big plus and probably not a big selling point to new players. Less hassle the old way.
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I've played for a month now and I am ranked enough for a Tricom but not 3rd rate yet. I've done nearly nothing but PVP. Between ow pvp, port battles and the arena pvp there really isn't a reason to grind. Now PVE grinding is faster xp than pvp and perhaps that needs to be looked into.My mates and I were talking last night about the long term health of Naval Action. We love the game but it seems that there needs to be some changes in how it flows. Most players can attest to the grinding required to climb in rank, build, trade, etc. Right now, we are seeing people leaving the game that have had enough of the work required to get that next coveted ship. The reality is that people wan PvP action and don't have the time or patience for the huge downtime between actions. While I don't want the game to be easy by any stretch, the long dead time can be a real passion killer for a lot of players. Traveling for what seems like eons to get a mission done or trading is one thing you really can't avoid; not unless you have a smaller map that becomes a superhighway. However, I think there can be changes made that would help take out some of the onerous tasks we find in the game.
One change I think needs to be done is to do away with the 4 hour delay for teleporting from outpost to outpost. You should be able to teleport immediately to transfer ships or to complete actions at each of those ports. Let's say you need to sell a frigate at Concepcion to help pay for a Tric at Port Royal. Well, you transfer to Concepcion, sell the frigate and call it day. Not fun. The time has already been invested in sailing for hours to get to ports to establish outposts. It becomes a source of frustration not being able to move between them a timely manner in order to move about quicker.
Oh, and please add a search function on the world map so we can find where the hell some of these places are!
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That said, the non-stop grinders are doing this to themselves. The game masters aren't going to reprogram human natures. Many of us are like mice of treadmill. Grind grind grind...get max level..get max ship....grind grind grind. It's not the game making you do that. A level 10 captain is no better sailing a Brig than a level 4. The level ONLY matters if you must have the biggest floating castle in the game. So if anything is the game masters fault it's for putting rate ship carrots on strings at the front of the treadmills. If those Victories and Santis weren't there these guys might release themselves from their self created grind tortues and figure out ways to play the game. Consider this, all that population endlessnessly grinding is actually population that isn't available to pvp. Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy for reducing pvp by over grinding levels to win pvp.
The easiest way to get what the OP wants would actually be to remove rate ships from the game or only make them assessable through pvp. But as long as you can "win" the game by having the biggest ships out there those mice are going to stay on that treadmill.
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I thought of this and I kind of like it. The sticking point for me was even as Nuetral the handful of players trying to rebuild the nation would still have to collect the gold and fight the NPC towers. If this effort were reduced on Nuetral ports then they might be able to rebuild. But again it will only happen if players dont actively rebuild it.Maybe not their original owners, I'd prefer for them to return to neutral
Let's say Sweden gets into awar with the Danes and wipes them all out. Now the Swedes fir one reason or another quit the game or simply conquer their way to living in the Gulf of Mexico. The Danes are no longer a viable nation to play and won't recover unless somehow at dozen or more players, able to play on the last set port timers, able to amass a few million gold and best the npc towers in the battles do it. Until then it's just not attractive to new players that might have liked the idea of playing a Zdanish Captain. But if the ports naturally reverted on their own the nation would heal itself and be attractive again to new players after the Swedes were done using it. I don't think Nuetral solves this issue.
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There needs to be a way that neglected or unused captured ports revert back to the original owners. When a nation get conquered down to last port its members usually move on. Then the attacker moves on and we're left with a difficult time rebuilding a one port nation. Even undefended to recapture even some of its original ports will require the few players interested to generate millions of gold and at least 8-10 heavy frigates. Until which time they do all this and succeed no new players will likely be attracted to former conquered nations.
I suggest the following:
Conquered ports will have partisans. The plantation workers, merchant warehousemen and just plain people's that will want to rejoin their old nation. Keeping them either pacified or under thumb will require troops garrisoned, supplies and new fortresses maintained.
Home ports are free.
A captured port should require some sort of maintenance fee by the Lord Protector to keep the partisans in check and the new garrison manned. If this falls into neglect the port reverts back to the original owning nation. It should be just the same with Nuetral ports.
This will keep the game from stagnating in a region due to inactivity, reduce the number of "one man controls everything" lord protectors and allow conquered nations a way to come back into the game once forgotten. It may even help curb the "take every dot on the map" mentality currently dominant in the Alpha test.
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Oh, he won't like us very much then.
Actually he is a carbon copy of us. He just doesn't have his whole clan playing yet. In the meantime the few DCA should go French. They won't regret the time with us before they eventually move on to other things.
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The issue of losing players is not poor leadership it's the game, it's becoming boring for a lot and extremely bland with nothing to do, there has been an extreme drop in players in the last 2 weeks.
Seriously?
What is stopping you from contacting 1-2 other British guilds and going at the USA on three different fronts? One front alone won't do it. You gents have been NPC grinding till your eyes bleed to get big rate ships. So if you only do one front only the 25 biggest ships really get to play. You need to attack at least x3 locations nearly simultaneously to spark a world war. You also spent way way to much time trying to secure borders instead of making allies. I don't think there is one nation the British or the USA could call an ally. You need some diplomacy to rock the stalemate. This game needs diplomacy functions. It also needs huge tax costs or deterant a for taking every plot of land in the map and leaving behind a fortress and thousands of soldiers defending it. It's to easy to own everything you see and have free NPC forts and soldiers defending it against anyone who can't muster 10 hvy frigates. Neglected towns never revert to neutral and conquered nations have no hope of recovery short of a mass exodus of players from a major power.
The mentality of the players and human nature is always the problem. We grind for the top. Though all that means is that in a month only 3rd rate captains will be allowed in deep water PB's. We all captured every free dot around us to "secure" borders and only succeeded in squelching world wide combat. Truth is collectively we're all too stupid, paranoid and short sighted to be trusted with nice things.
But it's an Alpha and the designers need to know this so they can make the needed adjustments.
Mr. Roberts, assemble your fleets, squadrons and allies to take back those American colonies for King And country!
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It does seem so and since Brits are essentially the whole center of the map I guess we may as well fight them too. That's just me thinking out loud and not representing anyone. I think a lot of us came from POTBS where we got +10 points per port and when you hit 300 you WIN. There is also the human nature distrust thing of ever letting anyone else have a port near you. Had the British left the French colonies alone in western Haiti or even some Nuetral ports things would be less pre-determined. I'm not blaming them. We had a similar thing happen in France when some of us suggested leaving the pirates some ports near France. The USA also has it as there was clearly no need to capture all those French ports in the Gulf. The end result is that if we ever wanted to team with the USA over there we had an extremely long relocation and flag carries. It's a deterant. Hopefully, when the map does reset we all leave POTBS thinking behind us and leave potential allies some ports to move around the map. As it stands if France were to ally with Britain now we would just be sealing ourselves off from the rest of the game. Now it's not impossible to walk across Britain with their assistance in giving us ports. But there is no other way to do it. So nobody goes anywhere in PVP2 without a majority British player consensus on letting them do it. This is why I say we might as well fight them now. But if the map resets we should all rethink how this one went.At this point Britain has twice as many active players attacking the US as we have defending it. You can see that by the port victories going up Cuba right now- we're barely able to hold you back. I think the whole "US is unstoppable zerg" theory has had holes poked in its hull and sank. The competing theory "British are unstoppable zerg" seems closer to reality.
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You guys did good last night. We told you such at the battles.Mr SoupySnake
dont forget to post all the battle results from last night
the failed Macao flag transfer
the failed screening of the attack on Fajardo
and the failed port battle in Fajardo
We had to test the flag transfers. Rumors said that it could be done. It is not true. A flag can not be traded directly or result from a ship capture. Their is a place for an ally to transfer flags in the game. If they ever come out with a solid alliance system I would like to see a version of it come back. If you have an ally fighting a war across the map you can't actually go to them to help with port battles without a flag. As PVP2 goes the British have taken the whole center of the map. To fight anything on the other side of them you have to go through them.
FYI- that wasn't a screening attack. That was most if our port battle fleet running into most of yours. When we realized you had x10 third rates in the area to the several we had we decided to attempt to keep as many of your third rates in the sea engagement as we could manage. Your heavy rates escaped and since the battles were so close they couldnt get retagged by the Swedes before the timers ran out to get them into the PB. You enjoy a huge advantage in BR and by default ship technology whenever we can't get the Swedes into the same fight. Not to belittle the action last night, you gents did a great job.
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What are you trying to be the angry DCA guy?We go wherever. So far it's been OMG, BORK, and some other French society. I'm fairly certain they were not newbs learning how to sail since they outclassed us on the ship's.
Oh there was a 1v1 I did and we both had snows. He was a newb and tried to flip me and rammed me 5 times. That frenchie went glubglub.
The one BORK guy I was just playing around with in my snow vs his belle. We really have no I intention hitting Swedish players atm.
But thanks for the protip. We will sail wherever and attack whomever we want. You don't get to dictate who we play nice with. Seals do make the nicest coats.
Tell Pelleas to get his butt into the game. This one is far superior to POTBS and it was tailor made for groups like DCA.
I don't think Brit is really going to be where you will like it most. It's got a lot of the same issues as Tiggy Brit had.
If you can swell your ranks up Spain could really use some help and we could certainly show you some pvp fun if you join France. If it's just going to be the 4 or so of you living out of Free Cities then Pirate has some good options for you too and in this game there is absolutely no one a pirate cannot engage. Good Luck!
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then what gives... most the ports up there were undefended too...just because the brits took undefended spanish ports make them less of a monster then we are?
I think you mean to be answering OJ DieAntwoord. He was the one calling you a green monster and he is Dutch.
The French aren't calling you a monster. LOL
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Hey would you rather have the US just keep the East coast and stick to it? Most of the US players moved south Because that's the only direction we could go which then forced us into the Spanish waters. They all but moved south anyways. We then went after the pirates that were trying make a nest in the north western Florida area. now those are gone. We hopped over to the Yucatan to halt any Brit Advance in that region. and the french ports in the northern golf were pretty much capped by a bunch of pubs. we are now losing more port to the Brits and have taken much recently compared to them anyways. But hey call us what yo want..The french are like a kid demanding no one use a toy that he wasn't using in the first place...
You caught the part where he said he was DUTCH right?
There are not many French upset about Louisianna or we would already be up there.
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Per chance.
Regardless, there are 4 of us on a good day and perhaps we are just scouting for a new home...
Well give Pelleas a big hello from me. If you gents are looking for a pvp crowd your style I would recommend rolling France. All like minded guys and you'll have a lot if fun.
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It was never the plan to out number you.lol that was fin and like i said before ...... i wont be baited by your nonsensicalness eulogy..... i wont fight 12 to 2 in my trinc if you wanna over populate the area...... ill fight you as the french fought you guys..... in the cutters!
A little over week ago the Swedes showed up saying they were getting Zerged by Brits.
Just after that representatives of a couple British clans showed up saying the we're trying to help the Danes rebuild but that WIS wouldn't allow the captured ports to be returned to the Danes. Now this all painted the WIS in a bad light.
Having been up there a few days on my own my personal observations are as follows:
Swedes are not really being Zerged. WIS and TCF combined are probably a nice match for the Swedes. We're not seeing any other Brits in the area.
I have only seen two Dane captains at all. So maybe they don't even have enough players to recapture the ports even if the Brits offered.
We did find one rather ornery American MOB clan fellow off Fredericksted threatening to bring a hundred US players into the area. Not sure why he was there or the validity of the threat.
Situation is not as we were led to believe so it requires some re-evaluation. But for the moment I don't think we're going anywhere.
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In light of the unchecked eastward expansion of british forces into the upper antilles under the guise of liberating former british colonies, multiple treaty violations and the occupation of french colonies in haiti the free french government have decided to unleash its battle hardened forces. ALL ships sailing under the british banner are henceforth fair game for all french forces wherever they might be. May god have mercy upon you as no frenchmen will.
Vive Le France
* captain Bach gazes on his ship at anchor, steps into the sea side cottage for some well earned r&r. Hangs his sword above the mantle. Takes off his captains coat tapping is Antilles pirate campaign ribbon. Sits in his chair before the fire with a pint of ale and reads the local gazette headlines.... "Commodore Eulogy declares unrestricted war of Britain". Downs the ale, grabs the sword, the coat and with a snap to his step heads back to the docks.*
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Im considering switching sides in the near future.. is it necessary to grow my armpits, change my sexual preferences, and eat snails if I wish to become french?
Yes. frenchmen have manly hairy armpits. We love the ladies and they love us. The snails is more if an initiation hazing thing but you'll get through it.
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Can't speak for WIS but DCA doesn't care about RvR and are just looking for PvP. It is funny how everyone freaks out about seeing down there.
You want pvp go to Puerto Rico. There is nothing for you at FR but new players learning to sail.
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There is no guise when you see DCA. We are there to sink you if we can. We did not sail all the way down there to see if you wanted to play tittleewinks.
DCA = Drunken Carebear Association or are you a different group?
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Monsieur,
We free men of the Republic of France know all to well how English monarchs and Noblemen cast aside the needs of ordinary citizens that get in the way of their conquest. I remember the days of French nobles starving people to their own ends. But not in the New Democratic Republic do such things happen. Ordinary colonists have inalienable rights. Rights the West Indes Squadron and its Noble born captains simply ignore.
Is it not true WIS planted colonists throughout the lower Antilles only to abandon them to Buccaneers when it was too much bother to protect them. It was the Captains of the Republic of France that cast out the Pirates and freed the colonists from slavery and torment. Not the WIS. Many loved ones lost and angered at the English King have decided to swear loyalty to the Republic and who could blame them. Abandoned and cast aside by the WIS whom they had entrusted.
Now we see the same fate befalling the Danish and Swedes to WIS imperialism. You plant your flag about with no more thought than that which you stir your tea. Before more colonists suffer such neglect at the hands of ambitious but careless British nobles the French Parliament, First and second consuls have given orders that the Captains of the Garde de Marin Azur police the waters East of Haiti. With the goals to protect the civilians from unnecessary conquest and harm amid the various warring nobles. This action was requested by Pope Pius VII whose nephew was rescued at the former WIS Scarborough colony. A once free Nuetral town of artisans and holy monks, only interested in peace, before being conquered by WIS and abandoned to Pirates.
We are on a mission from his Holiness Pius VII and the democratic parliament of France. Keep your WIS ships to the West of the Isle of Les Mona.
Hourivour Monsieur Brown,
Captain Sebastian Bach Garde de Marin Azur and citizen of the Republic.
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I'm trying to follow this thread but a few things just seem so simple I don't understand.
If the British want the Danes back in the game why don't you give them their ports back?the nation isn't viable if it doesn't have the minimum resource ports.
If there are like 20 players now playing the Dutch they are a perfect match for the 20 Swedes. They could have a lot of fun if the rest of us stayed out of it.
So far the only thing that has happened, just from an observers points of view:
Swedes declared war on Britain and patrol the coast of Haiti. But do not attempt to capture any ports. Just OW pvp fun.
Several British clans ventured East of Haiti possibly for ow pvp fun.
the British took several Danish ports from the Danes, PvT?
The British took a few ports from the Swedes. The Swedes can't even fill a PB.
Some Brits say they want to help the new Danes but they don't give them any ports back.
Some British ships are found attacking French noob players off Fort a Royal for OW pvp fun.
OMG French go North to help even the odds for the Swedes. They run across a Dane and have some OW pvp fun with him.
My Conclusions:
Some good natured British players probably really do want to help the new Danes.
Some British are acting as colonial expansionist taking a number ports both Dane and Swede.
As long as the colonial expansionist Brits kept pushing East without explanation it's going to start provoking a lot French. Which may be their real goal. British clans pushing East and attacking French were WIS and DCA that I have noticed.
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Again, what Vllad said. We're not in a uproar. But it would be nice if you could keep your men in line.
Sinking a couple French ships is an over site. Capturing a port a social oops. Your boys took nearly the entire French sea board leaving the French builders only two ports they can barely use. So now the rest of us have to hear about it a lot. If they wanted some French ports they thought we were not using what was wrong with just asking first?
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I'm honestly confused by the choice of France going chummy with the Swedes, considering France seemed to have something going with the Brits and obviously, Swedes and Brits never were on good terms. You keep telling us Slamz how you had it all planed out, was the Brits walking all over your lands and allies part of the plan?
Hey Dutch boy, climb down out of that windmill, slap on a pair of wooden combat boots and get to business. You can read the writing on the wall as well as any of us.
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You guys are delusional if you think US are the zerg. Britain is fighting toe to toe with us... just look at some of the battle screenshots that SoL posts. there are like 25 SoB guys against a smaller number of SoL guys. Difference is, SoL are very organized and serious so they can PvP with a smaller force. I'm in USS and while we have a decent number of people on, we are now outnumbered against the Brits in the southern bahamas. You know why we're winning? Because they are in 4+ separate clans and can't coordinate as well as we can.
The Brits are the real zerg, and anyone that says otherwise hasn't fought them or the US yet so you wouldn't know. I've got nothing against them, I just hate this anti US talk around here. The US = a few very organized clans that have a reasonable number of good players and a ton of PvE people up the East coast doing admiralty missions/f*ck all.
I been following the conquests of the past weeks and I would agree that GB appears to have the little higher Zerg potential. Just a suggestion, just throwing this out there, did you ever consider that giving the pirates the Bahamas back would probably result in putting pressure on the Brits more so than yourselves?
Seriously think about this. You know your going to have to go head to head with the other map super power. Around you there us French, Spanish, Pirates and British. You started an extermination war with the Pirates. Then you went into the Spanish and now your attacking the French. So NOW that you've alienated your neighbors Britain is making moves. You have to admit, from the third party point of view you appear to be your own worst enemy.
I get that you don't like the USA bashing. But your brethren have managed to attack everyone in the game but the Dutch.
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As of the moment we can categorize the Pirate "Nation" into 3 categories or Ideals:
1)Super-Pirate Nationalists. These pirates believe that it is of the utmost importance that we all defend Mortimer Town and its surrounding ports and shove back the American and British Clans swarming the areas no matter the cost. I believe it can be said that we all admire these pirates for their brave efforts in maintaining the few ports left around Mortimer Town itself.
2)The South-Eastern Coalition Pirates, whom believe that Mortimer Town and its position as the Pirate capital is absolutely disadvantageous being in the middle of the Americans, British, and Spanish territory. With this view they sought to control the Lesser Antilles and work from a much more strategic position to allow an area for those who wish to strengthen their forces through crafting and leveling and someday make a much more formidable force in the Bahamas.
3)"True" or "PVP" Pirates. This is where most of the bickering seems to come from, they simply believe that the whole Pirate "Nation" and conquering of ports is simply not what "real" pirates do. They would rather attack trade ships and attack other players of opportunity.
This categorization does not include Individual Pirate captains who do a little bit of everything (PVP, crafting, trading, and commerce raiding).
Perhaps this can shed some light as to why the Pirates are how they are in their current situation both politically and socially with each other and other nations. With the split of 3 major pirate clans from the SE Coalition (Invictus going to the brits, OMG turning french, and CF going dutch to nurture their large number of low level players) their leaves only 3 Pirate Clans in the Lesser Antilles, BSO, FC, and SIN and a small number of individual Pirate captains. The Lesser Antilles is currently in a death struggle with the French who now have experienced OMG members with them, the question of the pirates being victorious or not will take a long time to answer.
The current direction of the development for diplomacy seems to suggest that the Pirate Faction will represent a caribean version of The Barbary States of North Africa, where other nations may bribe or pay off Pirate Lords to stop attacks towards their own ships and ports, possibly even use the Pirates as mercenaries for a proxy war against another nation or pay for the assistance of Pirate Clans in battle. However if this is the case then it may be very well expected that the Pirates will be used as a proving ground for PVP and to capture Pirate ports to increase territory without having to officially declare war against another nation.
It is my belief that if the diplomacy is developed this way it will bring together all 3 ideals, making room for each to cooperate with the other. However until this happens or if this happens it is most likely that the Pirates will remain divided unless the South-Eastern Coalition is decisively defeated and chased out of the Lesser Antilles back to Mortimer Town.
Good post Ben. Good to see you other than just through a cannon site. May I ask which of these three types of pirates you would prefer to play if situations were different?
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