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34 minutes ago, maturin said:
You'll not find much sympathy from the fair-minded. There are seven U.S. vessels in the game.
The poor Spaniards have one ugly whale of a ship and not a single frigate, while the Dutch have nothing.
Just a question, but have the Spanish petitioned for new ships? Their ships have been around forever. It makes me curious as to why they've only been allocated one "ugly whale of a ship.." I'm not trying to be an ass, I am actually confused.
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11 hours ago, Powderhorn said:
I just had to hide a whole bunch of stuff that was wildly off topic. You are discussing an American ship of the line. To the point that there are only two American ships in the game, that is only by a very strict reading of the term "ship." You're forgetting all of the other vessels which are American. The Lynx, the Brig (Fair American), the Niagara, the Rattlesnake, and the Prince de Neufchatel are all American.
Edit: Alert was a Brit.
Yes, this is correct, however, my objective of this post was to bring to the limelight the lack of heavy American ships. The Americans have one, whereas the British, French and most all other nations severely outgun American ships for someone who just wants to use American ships. The USS Constitution and USS Essex are really cool, and you folks as developers have done an astonishing job at siphoning out the ships that are unnecessary. This being said, I chose the North Carolina for a couple of reasons: The first being that it's one of the only American ships at the time which was actually active in the class which could be considered a first-rate in comparison with the Victory, L'Ocean, and Santisima(though those ships are indeed built to the actual standards and gunnage of first-rates). Second, it's not a ship which was, in comparison to the USS Essex, captured, or in the case of the USS America, crafted simply to be given to the French. In regards to the USS North Carolina, it's one of the only American 1st rates ever built, and furthermore, the USS North Carolina was one of the first ships to begin the creation of treaties with Turkey and in the Mediterranian in general. I know the time-frame seems to be stretched towards the late 1820's, however, and I know this is extending my claim, the Mercury is still one of the latest ships in the game, which would put this ship in launching with the Mercury at almost the same time. My only objective is to offer a solution to the lack of an American first rate. I'd be more than willing to listen to any topic on the addition of a ship for the Americans which is larger than the USS Constitution and in some ways a 3rd, 2nd, or 1st rate ship.
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Just now, Sir Lancelot Holland said:
We have a wide and varied range of ships to play with, some are milestones in Naval shipbuilding, some are famous for battles they fought in, others had less distinguished careers, but they all deserve their place in game. I think that if the USS North Carolina fits into the timeframe and was the United States first SOL then she should take her place among her peers. When compared age wise, and experience wise, the USN was a mere fledgling among navy's, and given that the 'old world' fleets, The Portuguese, French, Spanish and British navy's were projecting sea power hundreds of years before America existed, (the Danes, Swedes and Norwegians were projecting sea power before they even became Nations, even before the UK, and France became nations), they actually acquitted themselves very well. So yes by all means include her, she was after all a milestone in both her country's Naval history and the World's naval history.
Well said.
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And to all of you, thank you for turning this into a lively discussion. Hopefully we can come to an agreement on this topic.
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Furthermore, in comparison with British, French, and Spanish ships of the time, we only have two actual U.S. ships in the game: The USS Constitution and USS Essex. That's it. And as Malachy rightly mentions, the United States was a real naval power in 1812. The British Navy suffered pretty heavy casualties during the war, and was pretty much stalemated by a newly formed nation just twenty years prior. I think we should give at least on American Ship of the Line a chance, and this should be the one. The USS America never even served the US Navy. It was given to the French.
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USS North Carolina, American 94 Gun Ship of the Line, 1820 Launch, 1824 Commission
The USS North Carolina was an American, 94 Gun, Ship of the Line which was launched on September 17, 1820, and officially deployed on June 24, 1824. The North Carolina would serve as one of the toughest ships in the American Navy. It would fit the position of one of the first American Ship of the Line, and would categorize it between the Victory and Santisima, and with only a slight advantage over the L'Ocean.
Armament:
Lower Gun Deck: 34 x 42lb Guns
Upper Gun Deck: 36 x 32lb Guns
Spardeck: 24 x 42lb Carronades
Total Broadside Poundage: 1434lbs with Cannons Only(12lb Guns substituted for replacement of Carronades)/1794lbs with 24 x 42lb Carronades.
The guns used are in accordance with an 1825 Armament Record, Link here: http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916135/USS North Carolina (1820)
Crew Count: 820 - 1000+
Other helpful links with regards to this ship: http://www.battleshipnc.com/about-the-ship/history/ship-stats/
Please contact me if any more information is required for the addition of this ship to Naval Action. Thank you for your time.
Edited 5 minutes ago by President John Henry Eden
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USS North Carolina, American 94 Gun Ship of the Line, 1820 Launch, 1824 Commission
The USS North Carolina was an American, 94 Gun, Ship of the Line which was launched on September 17, 1820, and officially deployed on June 24, 1824. The North Carolina would serve as one of the toughest ships in the American Navy. It would fit the position of one of the first American Ship of the Line, and would categorize it between the Victory and Santisima, and with only a slight advantage over the L'Ocean.
Armament:
Lower Gun Deck: 34 x 42lb Guns
Upper Gun Deck: 36 x 32lb Guns
Spardeck: 24 x 42lb Carronades
Total Broadside Poundage: 1434lbs with Cannons Only(12lb Guns substituted for replacement of Carronades)/1794lbs with 24 x 42lb Carronades.
The guns used are in accordance with an 1825 Armament Record, Link here: http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916135/USS North Carolina (1820)
Crew Count: 820 - 1000+
Other helpful links with regards to this ship: http://www.battleshipnc.com/about-the-ship/history/ship-stats/
Please contact me if any more information is required for the addition of this ship to Naval Action. Thank you for your time.
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Possible American 1st Rate Ship of the Line
in Current Feature Improvement Suggestions
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Nice. Congratulations to the Spanish. Hopefully we'll be as successful with this one.