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14 minutes ago, Bearwall said:
Try to explain to me - pls - the similarity you apparently see in the Vice-royalties of the americas (where the damn viceroy was directly appointed from Madrid) and the hereditary rights of the duke of Bavaria who in all fairness didn't give a hello kitty about the wishes from Madrid. They are completely different political entities with different rights and responsibilites.
No Need to explain. Carlos V was crowned Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. Is that so hard to understand? just like he was Emperor of the Spanish Empire but he had Vice-royals working in behalf of the Emperor in the Americas.
Besides, are you talking about: Louis IV, Holy Roman Emperor? Because if so, for a History "expert" you don't have a clue on what you talking about.
Louis IV Holy Roman Emperor 1 April 1282 – 11 October 1347
Carlos V Emperor of Spain, Holy Roman Empire Emperor 24 February 1500 – 21 September 1558.
Carlos V was ruler of both the Spanish Empire from 1516 and the Holy Roman Empire from 1519, as well as of the Habsburg Netherlands from 1506
Charles V: The World Emperor by Harald Kleinschmidt
A Matter of Pride (Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor) by Linda Carlino Carlino
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2 minutes ago, Bearwall said:
wtf?!! where and how did you get this misunderstanding of history? - books, authors and teachers pls as there are hopefully a great many ppl you have misunderstood.
Is Not a misunderstanding:
- Virreinato de Nueva España (1535-1821).
- Virreinato del Perú (1542-1824).
- Virreinato de Nueva Granada (1717-1723, 1739-1810 y 1816-1819).
- Virreinato del Río de la Plata (1776-1814).
The Holy Roman Empire was a similar type of government as a "Virreinato" with its differences and peculiar legislation,
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Just now, Bearwall said:
I'd try to read something else than a wikiepedia article. First off - look up the word annexation and get a grip on what that actually entails. Secondly find out what a hereditary monarchy is. Thirdly - Look up what a konglomerate monarchy is. Fourthly - research where and how legislation came about during the reign of Carlos V. Fifthly - try to research the wars of religion that tore through the HRE because Carlos V tried and FAILED to make the HRE more centralised than it was in the first place. And if I have to give more history lessons I want payment - I do this for a living after all.
Like I said, I used Wiki because most of people use it. But I can give you Book Titles. To add, Universities do not allow you to use wiki for projects nor documentation. And at any library you'll find the same information; but it looks like your library knows something the rest of the world does not.
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3 minutes ago, Bearwall said:
And I'd correct the word "inherited" as there was at no time a formal adoption of hereditary monarchy in the HRE - it was an elective one and a peculiar one at that since the HRE consisted of more or less independent principalities that through the 16th century grew more and more distant from the notion of empire. The title of emperor became only ceremonial - and my point remains - the legislation in the HRE was made during landestage or moods in english (as I recall) and they were never held in Madrid but always in the german empire. The problem you fail to realize is that two seperate political entities can have the same monarch but still be otherwise unentangled with one another. A great many examples exists of these constructs where some - like Aragon and Castille, grew into more or less stable political entities. Whereas others like Portugal - Castille/Aragon couldn't bridge the gap in interests as the Portuguese wanted protection for it's empire and the Spanish monarchies (which btw was also ruled separately) was more interested in keeping hold of the spanish possesions in the Americas, Far east and mediteranean. In regards to the HRE the point is - where did legislation take place? And that was in the HRE under the purview of the german principalities and nobles. The Spanish Grandes never had any political clout in the HRE.
No, what you fail to understand is that the same process was taken at the Americas. The Americas became Vice royalties; In the same manner as the Holy Roman Empire, but under the same Flag. These Vice-royalties did not change the fact that they were ruled by Carlos V.
"Charles was the heir of three of Europe's leading dynasties: the Houses of Valois-Burgundy (Netherlands), Habsburg (Holy Roman Empire), and Trastámara (Spain). He inherited the Burgundian Netherlands and the Franche-Comté as heir of the House of Valois-Burgundy. From his own dynasty, the Habsburgs, he inherited Austria and other lands in central Europe. He was also elected to succeed his Habsburg grandfather, Maximilian I, as Holy Roman Emperor, a title held by the Habsburgs since 1440. From the Spanish House of Trastámara, he inherited the crowns of Castile, which was in the process of developing a nascent empire in the Americas and Asia, and Aragon, which included a Mediterranean empire extending to Southern Italy. Charles was the first king to rule Castile and Aragon simultaneously in his own right, and as a result he is sometimes referred to as the first King of Spain.[5] The personal union, under Charles, of the Holy Roman Empire with the Spanish Empire resulted in the closest Europe would come to a universal monarchy since the death of Louis the Pious."
Again taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor which proves once again, that he inherit such Empire.
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8 minutes ago, Bearwall said:
And as a professor in history I know what I'm talking about. I think we have a diverging opinion of the word "annexation".
You obviously know a different version of the history that the rest of the world knows, no matter how much you do claim to know:
"Charles was only 56 when he abdicated, but after 34 years of energetic rule he was physically exhausted and sought the peace of a monastery, where he died at the age of 58. Upon Charles’s abdications, the Holy Roman Empire was inherited by his younger brother Ferdinand, who had already been given the Austrian lands in 1521. The Spanish Empire, including the possessions in the Netherlands and Italy, was inherited by Charles’s son Philip II. The two empires would remain allies until the 18th century."
Taken from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor which proves it did become Hereditary. Before his death, he ruled both Empires.
So what ever history you are lecturing on, is against everything historians around the world are teaching; maybe you know something the rest of the world does not know.
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5 minutes ago, Bearwall said:
That's incorrect. The german electorate elected Carlos V as emperor but the crown was never spanish - the empire was ruled separetely and moreover the crown never became hereditary. The former burgundian fiefs as well as the rest of the habsburg possesions were the Habsburgs by birthright but the german empire consisted at any one point in time of between 400 principalities and 80 towards the end of the reign. Carlos V was one of the most travelling monarchs in european history because a lot of legislation required him to be present in those lands that lied within the german empire - Madrid never became the seat of the german empire and annexation requires one part to be subservient to a stronger part - that was never the case in when Carlos V was crowned on the contrary he was forced to give huge monetary, taxation and toll concessions in order to be emperor.
You can deny all you want, history is there and you can't change it. The Holy Roman Empire was annexed by Spain when Carlos V was proclaimed and crowned as Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. There is a reason why he uphold such Title...(and again) is in history.
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8 minutes ago, Bearwall said:
Actually never annexed nor controlled from Madrid - merely a konglomerate of possesions brought together by marriage alliances but ruled by separate chambers, laws and traditions. The great failing of the spanish empire was the difficulty realligning the many traditions and cultures to a common empirebuilding project.
It was Annexed, mate. Carlos V was crowned Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire annexing such Empire to the Spanish Empire
I hate using Wiki, but most people like it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor
The Empire was so extensive that it is obvious that Madrid did not directly control it, but same thing did happen in the Americas.
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When you show her the size of the Spanish Empire, she will make fun of the British. And that is without showing her the Holy Roman Empire, an Empire that was annexed by Spain.
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31 minutes ago, Christoph said:
I think the game is death! US brits and dutch on global and the rest on eu server!
Not all Brits are going to stay, plenty British will "move" and once the ones that stay do understand the reality, they will follow.
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44 minutes ago, Otto Kohl said:
Go and enjoy 100 people playerbase
. Meanwhile we stay on global and have fun 
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It does look to me (by what I can add)that is your server the one that will have 100 people player base. You will end up forced to do what you did on your server, have players play other Nations but USA, GB, etc in order to have enemy players playing Spain, France, etc.
The only choice you will have is to go into war with Britain, and then; we will be the ones not enjoying the night flipping. So yes, I do believe is a good bye for the night flipping.
. Meanwhile we stay on global and have fun 
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Declaration of the French Council about the new European server
in National news
Posted · Edited by Hiscules
What part of Carlos V Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire don't you understand? is not that hard to read and is written in plenty of books.
I read plenty of history books, and it seems to me you the one in need to read them. Since is hard for you to understand what does the title of "Holy Roman Emperor" stands for. He was the Ruler of the Holy Roman Empire and you can't change history because there are enough history books and historians that do agree with such event. No matter how much you would like to change such thing, you can't erase facts.
"Various royal houses of Europe, at different times, effectively became hereditary holders of the title, in particular in later times the Habsburgs. After the Reformation many of the subject states and most of those in Germany were Protestant while the Emperor continued to be Catholic. The Holy Roman Empire was dissolved by the last Emperor (who had additionally styled himself as the Emperor of Austria since 1804) as a result of the collapse of the polity during the Napoleonic wars."
"You are entitle to facts, but you are not entitle to your own facts"