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5 hours ago, LeBoiteux said:

The San Juan Nepomuceno was French in design 

True.

Unfortunately, in Spain, after the fall of Ensenada and due to political issues, the construction model studied by Jorge Juan was gradually replaced by the French model, and the naval recovery plans in Spain were stagnant. Shortly before Jorge Juan died, he wrote a harsh letter to Carlos III for his blind subordination to the French naval model, predicting serious losses, as would happen in Trafalgar 32 years later, when light English ships, surely inspired by Juan's studies, gave at the end with the heavy and ancient Spanish-French fleet.

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1 hour ago, Sento de Benimaclet said:

True.

Unfortunately, in Spain, after the fall of Ensenada and due to political issues, the construction model studied by Jorge Juan was gradually replaced by the French model, and the naval recovery plans in Spain were stagnant. Shortly before Jorge Juan died, he wrote a harsh letter to Carlos III for his blind subordination to the French naval model, predicting serious losses, as would happen in Trafalgar 32 years later, when light English ships, surely inspired by Juan's studies, gave at the end with the heavy and ancient Spanish-French fleet.

French 74-gun Téméraire, 80-gun Tonnant and 118-gun Océan, etc. classes, being shit ?

Not sure all the Naval Historians will agree with you... 😉

10 hours ago, Citoyen J said:

2 ships of the temeraire class will come  in game? the Redoutable and the Duguay-trouin (hms implacable)?

The two ships are not exactly of the same type. The Duguay-Trouin belongs to a variant. See here. Moreover, Admin seems to imply that this ship will be British in game and only visible as HMS Implacable. It makes too (small) differences.

And NA "is fond of" Trafalgar 🙂

btw I'd rather see in game captured ships with their original name and nationality... (or at least, both versions)

From @Wagram :

HMS Implacable :

On 12/5/2018 at 7:40 PM, Wagram said:

HMS_Implacable_(1805)_stern.JPG

comparée à celle du Duguay-Trouin...http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/145178.html

French Le Duguay-Trouin :

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2 hours ago, LeBoiteux said:

French 74-gun Téméraire, 80-gun Tonnant and 118-gun Océan, etc. classes, being shit ?

Not sure all the Naval Historians will agree with you... 😉

The two ships are not exactly of the same type. The Duguay-Trouin belongs to a variant. See here. Moreover, Admin seems to imply that this ship will be British in game and only visible as HMS Implacable. It makes too (small) differences.

And NA "is fond of" Trafalgar 🙂

btw I'd rather see in game captured ships with their original name and nationality... (or at least, both versions)

From @Wagram :

HMS Implacable :

French Le Duguay-Trouin :

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of course, but these two ships remain ships of the temeraire class ... whatever their respective destinies.

so much the better if we have the two in play

I just wanted confirmation.

 

off topic on

as for the theories as to what if some lost to trafalgar because of shipbuilding orientations of French inspirations ... it seems to me that the "Real Carlos" and the "San Hermenegildo" did not need the French for to sink each other ....😆

off topic off

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11 hours ago, Sento de Benimaclet said:

But Jorge Juan wasn‘t wrong. 

Your reasoning : a French (Francisco Gautier) replaces a Spanish (Jorge Juan) at the head of the Spanish shipbuilding from 1765 to 1782 using his (French) system, that's what explains the defeat of the Spanish-French fleet at Trafalgar in 1805 where the British ships were 'surely inspired" by Spanish Juan, thus the Spanish system is better than French one.

Ok... 🙂

 

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6 hours ago, Navalus Magnus said:

@admin When will the Redoutable hit the live server? Is there a realistic estimation?

A tiny riquiqui clue : if I have understood correctly, Le Redoutable didn't have a figurehead two weeks ago.

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2 hours ago, erelkivtuadrater said:

@admin will we se the Le'Redoutable as the FIRST INGAME 74 with actual french guns outfit? with the possibility for the 36lb gundeck setup? :D 

with 36 pdr Blomefields pretty please....at least the database seems to have them :)

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29 minutes ago, Jan van Santen said:

with 36 pdr Blomefields pretty please....at least the database seems to have them :)

should aswell now redo the 36pd cannons to "Usable on lineships of french Origin" also so they are usable on bucentaure aswell :)

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On 10/6/2019 at 2:30 PM, Spikes said:

Another DLC I'm sure?

Looks like you were right on the money about Le Redoutable being released as DLC. So sad.

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21 hours ago, Serk said:

Looks like you were right on the money about Le Redoutable being released as DLC. So sad.

It's sad... that was a ship I was hoping to sail on...

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21 minutes ago, Baptiste Gallouédec said:

From my understanding one will be regular and one dlc ( either Redoutable or HMS Implacable )

From admin:

Redoutable will be DLC.

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14 minutes ago, admin said:

Wrecker De Ruyter Stern gallery

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Very nice, can't wait to fill it full of holes!

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Posted (edited)

Its amazing how much you guys improved over time.

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And now look at the Leopard and Wrecker stern gallery

 

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"Redoutable will be an imported ship. Its slightly stronger classmate Implacable ( Duguay-Trouin) will be a crafteable free 3rd rate"

That they said in the Forum quoted above....so it'll be a 3rd rate.

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Posted (edited)

Yesssss, looks amazing, can't wait to sail it!

Edited by Potemkin

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Posted (edited)

perhaps i am wrong  but hmmm

it seems to me the " Rotterdam "

https://indebuurt.nl/rotterdam/genieten-van/mysteries/sterker-door-strijd-wapen-rotterdam~87976/

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_van_Rotterdam

Wapen van Rotterdam Het wapen van Rotterdam in het plafond van het stadhuis   (coat of arms on the sealing in the city hall)

Okay, we know green and white now. But those four lions above the arms of Rotterdam, where do they come from? Count William III of Holland and Hainaut donated the weapon to Rotterdam as a thank you for the support of Rotterdam in his fight against Flanders in 1304. The lions are two red Dutch lions and two black Flemish lions, which together form the weapon of Hainaut. We do not know whether the story and the dates are all correct, Rotterdam did not receive city rights until 1340. What is certain is that the coat of arms (or seal) of Rotterdam from 1351 shows the four lions. And the crown above the weapon? That is the count's crown, which was granted to Rotterdam on 16 July 1816 by royal decree. Around that time also appeared the two lions holding the shield.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterker_door_strijd

The stern for the Admiraal de Ruyter, after being renamed to Rotterdam.

 

Over her lifespan she would be renamed several times.

Admiraal de Ruyter whilst build  (building phase)

Admiraal Piet Hein from launch in 1806

Rotterdam from 1806 (late)  weapon on the mirror(  4 lions,  and green white green field )

Koninklijke Hollander from 1808

(Royal) Hollandais from 1810 (french service)

Koninklijke Hollander from 1814 (return to dutch service

 

The reason why she changed names whilst being build is quite interesting. When arriving in the Netherlands, Louis Napoleon visited one of the 1808 ships in construction. In honor of the dutch nation's greatest admiral, he christened the ship Admiraal de Ruyter. Unknown to him at the time, there was already a ship being build who carried the same name, hence why she was immediately (and temporarily) renamed Admiraal Piet Hein. (what means Admiraal piet hein = the original Admiraal de ruyter>>  and the rotterdam became the Admiraal de Ruyter [christened by napoleon]

but originally it was from build the "Rotterdam"

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Many people think that the white lane represents the river Rotte, and the green lanes represent the banks. Solved! Well, almost. The whitelane indeed represents the Rotte, but the green comes from the Hof van Wena. The Hof van Wena was a castle that was approximately on the site of the former Hofplein Station (hofplein! Get it?). The house is first mentioned in 1306. The Bokel van Wena family were the most famous residents of the castle, they were also the boss of various areas around Rotterdam including Oost- and West-Blommersdijk and Beukelsdijk. Remains of the castle would have been visible until the 19th century in a garden between the Schie and Raampoortlaan, now the Raampoortstraat.

l69221-kmarine-vlag-rotterdam-20-x-30-cm flag rotterdam

ps...i agree with louis napoleon  "Admiraal de Ruyter"

only the color scheme of the coat of arms needs the right color>> Green/ White/ Green, and yellow field for the (black and red ) lions. > and the story is complete. @admin

 

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Posted (edited)
16 hours ago, Yar987 said:

Very nice, can't wait to fill it full of holes!

well i must see the end of this....shooting at 4 gods  (oa neptunes / sparta )

i must pray for your survival

 

and thanks for the insight  (on the ruler of the waves :) )

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