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11 hours ago, Sento de Benimaclet said:

But Jorge Juan wasn‘t wrong. 

Your reasoning : a French (Francisco Gautier) replaces a Spanish (Jorge Juan) at the head of the Spanish shipbuilding from 1765 to 1782 using his (French) system, that's what explains the defeat of the Spanish-French fleet at Trafalgar in 1805 where the British ships were 'surely inspired" by Spanish Juan, thus the Spanish system is better than French one.

Ok... 🙂

 

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perhaps i am wrong  but hmmm

it seems to me the " Rotterdam "

https://indebuurt.nl/rotterdam/genieten-van/mysteries/sterker-door-strijd-wapen-rotterdam~87976/

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_van_Rotterdam

Wapen van Rotterdam Het wapen van Rotterdam in het plafond van het stadhuis   (coat of arms on the sealing in the city hall)

Okay, we know green and white now. But those four lions above the arms of Rotterdam, where do they come from? Count William III of Holland and Hainaut donated the weapon to Rotterdam as a thank you for the support of Rotterdam in his fight against Flanders in 1304. The lions are two red Dutch lions and two black Flemish lions, which together form the weapon of Hainaut. We do not know whether the story and the dates are all correct, Rotterdam did not receive city rights until 1340. What is certain is that the coat of arms (or seal) of Rotterdam from 1351 shows the four lions. And the crown above the weapon? That is the count's crown, which was granted to Rotterdam on 16 July 1816 by royal decree. Around that time also appeared the two lions holding the shield.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterker_door_strijd

The stern for the Admiraal de Ruyter, after being renamed to Rotterdam.

 

Over her lifespan she would be renamed several times.

Admiraal de Ruyter whilst build  (building phase)

Admiraal Piet Hein from launch in 1806

Rotterdam from 1806 (late)  weapon on the mirror(  4 lions,  and green white green field )

Koninklijke Hollander from 1808

(Royal) Hollandais from 1810 (french service)

Koninklijke Hollander from 1814 (return to dutch service

 

The reason why she changed names whilst being build is quite interesting. When arriving in the Netherlands, Louis Napoleon visited one of the 1808 ships in construction. In honor of the dutch nation's greatest admiral, he christened the ship Admiraal de Ruyter. Unknown to him at the time, there was already a ship being build who carried the same name, hence why she was immediately (and temporarily) renamed Admiraal Piet Hein. (what means Admiraal piet hein = the original Admiraal de ruyter>>  and the rotterdam became the Admiraal de Ruyter [christened by napoleon]

but originally it was from build the "Rotterdam"

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Many people think that the white lane represents the river Rotte, and the green lanes represent the banks. Solved! Well, almost. The whitelane indeed represents the Rotte, but the green comes from the Hof van Wena. The Hof van Wena was a castle that was approximately on the site of the former Hofplein Station (hofplein! Get it?). The house is first mentioned in 1306. The Bokel van Wena family were the most famous residents of the castle, they were also the boss of various areas around Rotterdam including Oost- and West-Blommersdijk and Beukelsdijk. Remains of the castle would have been visible until the 19th century in a garden between the Schie and Raampoortlaan, now the Raampoortstraat.

l69221-kmarine-vlag-rotterdam-20-x-30-cm flag rotterdam

ps...i agree with louis napoleon  "Admiraal de Ruyter"

only the color scheme of the coat of arms needs the right color>> Green/ White/ Green, and yellow field for the (black and red ) lions. > and the story is complete. @admin

 

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16 hours ago, Yar987 said:

Very nice, can't wait to fill it full of holes!

well i must see the end of this....shooting at 4 gods  (oa neptunes / sparta )

i must pray for your survival

 

and thanks for the insight  (on the ruler of the waves :) )

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2 hours ago, Sea Archer said:

With dutch ships in the game, there should be another incentive to introduce real waterdepth, since the Dutch liners could sail shallower water then the big ships of the other nations.

This would in general increase the diversity of ships used.

Creating natural battle channels would be great, see battle of copenhagen as example. The narrow channel at cartagena also almost creates this picture, being cought out there and you're destined to beach if you have bad wind

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"Parker gave Nelson the twelve ships-of-the-line with the shallowest drafts, and all the smaller ships in the fleet.[citation needed] Parker himself stayed to the north-east of the battle with the heavier ships – whose deeper drafts did not allow them to safely enter the channel – screening Nelson from possible external interference and moving towards Copenhagen to engage the northern defences.[note 1] Nelson transferred his command from the large 98-gun HMS St George to the shallower 74-gun HMS Elephant for this reason. "

 

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