Plans for Danish Ships

Malachi · November 26, 2015

Info about danish shipwrights and danish shipbuilding in general: coming soon™

Shipwrights:

Henrik Gerner, 1742 - 1787

Designed 18 ships of the line, 11 frigates and 4 snows for the danish navy and at least 109 ships of various sizes for trade companies and merchants.

Joined the navy at the age of 13, became a junior member of the shipbuilding commission in 1763. Trained by Krabbe, he, together with E.W. Stibolt, was sent for futher studies to France and England in 1768, and, after returning to Denmark in 1772, he was appointed as fabrikmester, succeding his former mentor.

In addition to his extensive work as a naval architect, he also translated Duhamel´s 'Les éléments de l'architecture navale' and Newton´s 'Philosophia Naturalis Principia Mathematica' into danish. Gerner died in 1787, only 45 years old. His early death following an apolexy could have been a result of the constant intrigues by his enemies, amongst them the naval minister Rosenkrantz and Stibolt, who became the next fabrikmester in 1790.

E.W. Stibolt, 1741 - 1796

Designed 3 ships of the line, 5 frigates and 11 brigs for the danish navy.

Joined the navy at the age of 14 and became a junior member of the shipbuilding commission in 1763. He accompanied Gerner on the study trip to various european shipyards and came back to Denmark in 1773, when he was promoted to a full member of the commission and made a lecturer at the naval academy. Between 1778 and 1782, he participated in the American War of Independence as an officer in the french navy. After his return, he

started submitting plans behind Gerner´s back and the rivalry between the two began in earnest. Appointed fabrikmester in 1790, he resigned in 1796 and committed suicide in the same year.

Like Gerner´s, his designs show a substantial french influence, which is hardly surprising as he spent a lot of time in France and it´s Navy.

Ships, presented and planned

Waldemar, 80-gun ship (36p), 1795, Stibolt *done*

Neptunus, 80-ship (36p), 1789, Gerner

Prindsesse Sophia Friderica, 74-gun ship (24p), 1773, Gerner

Seiren, 64-gun ship (24p), 1793 , Stibolt *done*

Perlen, frigate, 46 guns (24p), 1804, Hohlenberg *done*

Iris, frigate, 1795, 40 guns (18p), Stibolt

Friderichsværn, frigate, 1784, 36 guns (12p), Gerner *done*

Triton, frigate, 1789, 30 guns (12p), Stibolt *done*

Christiansborg, frigate, 1758, 24 guns (12p), Krabbe *done*

8-pounder frigate concept by Stibolt, 24-guns (8p), 1794 *done*

Christiania, ship-sloop, 20 guns (8p), Krabbe *done*

Lougen, brig, 1805, 20 guns, E.W. Stibolt *done*

Amagern, snow, 14 guns

Note: conversion factor for danish to british pounds: 1, 038

conversion factor for danish to british feet : 1, 0305

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Waldemar, 80-gun ship, 1798, Stibolt

Dimensions (danish fod)

Length 179'

Breadth 48' 6''

Depth in Hold 21' 5''

Draught Foreward 19' 7''

Draught Aft 20' 9''

Height of middle gunport above the water 5' 3''

Armament (danish service)

30*36-pounders

30*24-pounders

20*12-pounders

Seieren, 64-gun ship, 1795, Stibolt

Dimensions (danish fod)

Length: 158' 5''

Breadth: 43' 4''

Depth in Hold: 20' 2'

Draught Foreward 18' 1''

Draught Aft 19' 3''

Height of middle gunport above the water 5' 3''

Armament

26*24-pounders

26*12-pounders

12*8-pounders

Perlen, frigate, 1804, 46 guns, Hohlenberg

Dimensions (danish fod)

Length 150' (danish)

Breadth 39'

Depth in Hold 20'

Draught Foreward 16' 7''

Draught Aft 17' 7''

Height of middle gunport above the water 6' 9''

L/B ratio 3,85

Armament

26*24-pounders

12*12-pounders

8* 24-pounder carronades

Friderichsværn, frigate, 1784, 36 guns, Gerner

Triton, frigate, 1789, 30 guns, Stibolt

Dimensions

Length: 126' (danish) / 129' 10'' (imperial)

Breadth: 34' (danish) / 35' 1'' (imperial)

Depth in hold: 14' 3'' (danish) / 14' 9'' (imperial)

Height of middle gunport above waterline: 5' 9'' (danish) / 6' (imperial)

Armament:

24* 12 pounders + dedicated bowchase port, 6* 12-pounder carronades on the quarterdeck

Designed by fabrikmester E. Stibolt and launched 1789, burnt by the british after the Battle of Copenhagen 1807.

The french-style hull shape is typical for the pre-Hohlenberg era and given her rather conservative number of guns, speed seems to have been the focus of this ship.

Christiansborg, frigate, 1758, 24 guns, Krabbe

Plans (from the Danish National Archives/ Orlogsbasen)

Sheer

Head and Stern

Sailplan

Inboard Profile

Cross section

Dimensions

Length 128' (danish)

Breadth 33' 10''

Depth in Hold 13'

Draught Foreward 13' 3''

Draught Aft 14' 6''

Height of middle gunport above the water 5' 9''

L/B ratio 3,79

Armament

24* danish 12-pounders

Designed by M. Krabbe, launched 1758, broken up 1786.

Krabbe submitted this plan after returning from the obligatory european study trip (1752 - 1756, visiting british, french, italian and dutch shipyards) and a certain french influence is clearly visible.

8 or 12-pounder frigate concept by E.W. Stibolt, dated 1794

Dimensions (danish fod)

Length 125'

Breadth 33'

Depth in Hold 16' 7''

Draught Foreward 13' 3''

Draught Aft 14' 6''

Height of middle gunport above the water 5' 9''

L/B ratio 3.78

Armament

24* danish 8-pounders

Christiania, ship-sloop, 1774, 20 guns, Krabbe

Plans (from the Danish National Archives/Orlogsbasen):

Sheer and Body Plan

Head and Stern

Cross Section

Sailplan (1772/1780)

Dimensions:

Length: 115' (danish)

Breadth 31'

Depth in Hold 15' 3''

Draught Foreward 12' 6''

Draught Aft 13' 6'

Height of middle gunport above the water 5' 3''

L/B ratio 3.71

Armament:

20* Danish 8-pounders

10* Danish 1-pounder falconettes

Designed by M. Krabbe and launched 1774 at Fridericksvaern (Norway).

Lougen (II), brig, 1805, 18 guns, Stibolt

Dimensions (danish fod)

Length: 89'

Breadth 26'

Depth in Hold /

Draught Foreward 11'

Draught Aft 10'

Height of middle gunport above the water 4'

Armament

18* 6-pounders

or

18* short 18-pounders

Sources:

Fregat et Snau, Auer, 2008

Ships and Shipbuilders: Pioneers of Design and Constructions, Walker, 2010

Ships and Science The Birth of Naval Architecture in the Scientific Revolution, 1600-1800, Ferreiro, 2007

Plans:

Orlogsbasen

Danish National Archives

Edited April 5, 2019 by Malachi

Sella · November 26, 2015

Lougen, brig, 1805, 20 guns, E.W. Stibolt

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=14181

If you have any more info about her Malachi please add it!

Edited November 26, 2015 by Sella22

Malachi · November 26, 2015

I added Lougen to the to-do list

Edited November 26, 2015 by Malachi

Niels Terkildsen · November 26, 2015

Request:

Could a kind danish captain translate this, please? It´s for Stibolt´s 8-pounder concept.

Og paa Skandse og Bak 6 Stykker 12 pundige Houbitzer paa Klodser at flytte hvor det eragtes noedig paa

Siiderne, samt for og agterud. Altsaa at med denne Fregat kan Skydes til en af Siderne med 11 a 12 Canoner og med 3 a 4 Houbitzer.

I assume it´s about stern/bow chasers, but google translate gives me garbage

I'm not quite certain what he's envisioning here: I think he's saying that there should be six 12 pound carronades (or "howitzers") fore and aft on some kind of "blocks" or devises so that you can turn them to the sides when necessary; meaning that you'll get that extra firepower for the broadside.

Edited November 26, 2015 by Niels Terkildsen

Malachi · November 26, 2015

Thanks, Niels, much obliged

Added Waldemar, Seieren, Lougen, Perlen

Edited November 26, 2015 by Malachi

jezdk · November 29, 2015

I'm not quite certain what he's envisioning here: I think he's saying that there should be six 12 pound carronades (or "howitzers") fore and aft on some kind of "blocks" or devises so that you can turn them to the sides when necessary; meaning that you'll get that extra firepower for the broadside.

i dont think that it is carronades, but some kind of mortar

Sella · January 5, 2016

FYEN 1746 (50)

The FYEN is the first ship of a class of 50gun ships of the line of the Royal Danish Navy, designed on the basis of the british ship HMS AUGUSTA 1739.

Length pp: 43,64m - Width: 11,93m - Depth: 5,77m

Ships of this class:

FYEN 1746, ISLAND 1751, SEYEREN 1754, GRÖNLAND 1755, EBENETZER 1757, FYEN 1758, ST CROIX 1758, STORMARN 1758, SLESVIG 1767

Set of Drawings FYEN 1746, Scale 1:48

Rigging plan in 1:64, 3 Sheets A0, Length (pp.) 90,9cm

PRINDSESSE SOPHIA MAGDALENA 1765

Drawings from the Danish National Archives

Ship of the line PRINDSESSE SOPHIA MAGDALENA 1765

The PRINDSESSE SOPHIA MAGDALENA is a 60gun ship of the line of the Royal Danish Navy.

Length pp: 49,28m - Width: 13,34m - Depth: 5,96m

Set of Drawings PRDSE SOPHIA MAGDALENA 1765, Scale 1:48

Rigging plan in 1:72, 3 Sheets A0, Length (pp.) 102,66cm

Malachi · January 5, 2016

Ah, you´ve been to modelshipworld recently, I suppose?

Sella · January 5, 2016

Maybe

Sella · February 22, 2016

Rigernes ønske 1766(?)

"As was the custom in the past the »Rigernes Ønske« was. also adorned with ornaments. Here we can see the beautiful rococo embellishments ofthe stern and the side galleries. The latter bear the company's initials at the top. - The Danish National Archives, the Navy's Collection ofMaps and Drawings, G 3009."

"The head of the ship served as an adornment to theforebody, especially thanks to the ship's figurehead. Here on the »Rigernes Ønske« the figurehead was designed as an angel of victory with a trumpet and a victory wreath"

"The »Rigernes Ønske« is the only DAC East-Indiamanfor which afullset of construction drawings has been preserved. The ship was built between 1763 and 1766. This is a plan oj sails on the beautiful Jrigate, which had a capacity oJ about 300 tons. - The Danish National Archives, the Navy's Collection oJMaps and Drawings, G 2738."

"Cross-section and plan ofthe second deck ofthe »Rigernes Ønske«. This ship was constructed by the famous F.K. Krabbe and was 108 feet long, 30 feet wide, and drew almost 16 feet abaft. It could be fitted with 36 guns whose porthohs can be seen in the drawing. Notice too the very heavy capstan and the powerful bilge pump by the main mast. - The Danish National Archives, the Navy's Collection oJMaps and Drawings, G 2739."

Would somebody be kind enough to translate the text or share any info that he might know?

Edited August 17, 2016 by Sella22

maturin · February 22, 2016

I'm guessing merchant vessel?

Sella · February 22, 2016

Judging by the hull shape my untrained eye assumes that as well. It also seems that the first with the rest of the plans are two different ships.

Edited February 22, 2016 by Sella22

Foidewall · February 23, 2016

From the text is it an ostindi fahrer, a trading ship that if necessary should be able to carry 36 cannons and on the ship is written DAC and I believe that is for Dansk asiatisk company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_East_India_Company

And it should be 108 feet long and 30 feet wide remember those are Danish feet

Sella · February 23, 2016

Found some info here mostly in danish:http://mfs.dk/sites/default/files/documents/1987Asiatiskkompagnissejlads22-86.pdf

Added the to the OP.Still need somebody to translate some of it!

What i find really interesting though is that in the second plan the name Rigernes Onske is really visible on the bottom right corner of the plan but the stern and the bow are different than the ones shown above it.

Foidewall · February 23, 2016

The ship should be able to carry 150 Kommercelæst a kommercelæst is a measurement that are equal too 2600kg and is equal to 22 barrels of rye the volume of a kommercelæst is equal to 82,5 Danish cubic feet in metric measurement that would be 2,55057 cubic meter so this ship could transport 382 cubic meter and 390 tons of gods.

But this number might be low because according to Wikipedia then the Danes cheated and were publishing numbers that were 1/6 lower than there actual value to get a commercial advantage.