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Well i took the initiative to make LeBoiteux's idea into reality.A thread which contains all the venetian/italian ship in the forums.

 

 

Unnamed

Venetian 

22-gun corvette

XVIII-th century

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Books:

 

 

Title:Duri i banchi! Le navi della Serenissima 421-1797

Author:Guido Ercole

Link: http://www.amazon.it/Duri-banchi-della-Serenissima-421-1797/dp/8890251107

 

 

Title:Vascelli e fregate della Serenissima. Navi di linea della Marina veneziana 1652-1797

Author:Guido Ercole

Link:http://www.amazon.it/Vascelli-fregate-Serenissima-veneziana-1652-1797/dp/8890565144/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_img_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=10SB0B1PBW7848V5AFN2

 

Title:Navi veneziane-Venetian ships

Author:Gilberto Penzo

Link:http://www.amazon.fr/Navi-veneziane-Venetian-ships-Gilberto-Penzo/dp/888190103X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1445631636&sr=8-2&keywords=navi+veneziane

 

Title:Vele italiane della costa occidentale

Author:Edoardo Guerrieri and Sergio Bellabarba

Link:http://www.amazon.com/Vele-italiane-della-costa-occidentale/dp/8820348330/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1447246313&sr=1-1&keywords=Vele+italiane+della+costa+occidentale&pebp=1447246318873&perid=01XM9109D3YKGFF909JD

About the book:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6156-vele-italiane-della-costa-occidentale/

 

Title:VENEZIA '800: BUFERA IN ARSENALE La Marina veneziana nel ventennio napoleonico (1796-1815)

Author:Guido Ercole

Link:http://milistoria.it/Apps/WebObjects/Milistoria.woa/wa/XDirectAction/viewProduct?id=95690〈=ita

 

Title:Navi veneziane-Venetian ships

Author:Gilberto Penzo

Link:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Navi-veneziane-Venetian-ships-Gilberto-Penzo/dp/888190103X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1467971663&sr=8-3&keywords=venetian+ships

 

More sources:
More detailed plans:http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/ricercaMag.jsp?searchType=avanzato&q=&opCha__creator=AND&channel__creator=&opCha__title=AND&channel__title=&opCha__contributor=AND&channel__contributor=&opCha__issuedYear=AND&channel__issuedYear_from=&channel__issuedYear_until=&opCha__publisher=AND&channel__publisher=&opCha__subject=AND&channel__subject=&opCha__language=AND+OR&opCha__typeTipo=AND+OR&opCha__typeLivello=AND&channel__typeLivello=&opCha__typeDigitale=AND+OR&opCha__location=AND&channel__location=&opCha__collectionText=AND&channel__collectionText=Disegni+navali&opCha__agency=AND+OR&opCha__descSourceLevel2=AND+OR&imageField2.x=11&imageField2.y=6
 

 

http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html

http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916144/Venetian%20Large%20Frigates

http://nuke.gmtmodellismo.it/ILIBRI/NAVISTORIAEMODELLISMO/VASCELLIEFREGATEDELLASERENISSIMA/tabid/369/Default.aspx

http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm

http://www.modellismo.net/forum/recensione-libri-e-articoli/105840-vascelli-e-fregate-della-serenissima.html

http://www.veniceboats.com/das-erbe-der-serenissima.htm

http://www.modellismo.net/forum/recensione-libri-e-articoli/105863-duri-i-banchi-le-navi-della-serenissima-421-1797-a.html

http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html

 

 

 

Credit goes to all of the people that found the info/plans/drawings and posted them in the respective threads.I only put them together in a single thread.

 

 

Feel free to contribute! :D

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Fama

Venetian

66-gun Frigate

1784

 

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About the Fama : 

That Fregata Grossa (Heavy Frigate) became famous when becoming Angelo Emo’s flagship, Grand Admiral of the Republic of Venice. To him, the best ship ever of the Venetian Navy. She was fast.

 

Fregata Grossa Fama Class :

1) Measurement :

 

Draft: 17,5 piedi or 5,30 meters

lenght:138 piedi or 42,42 meters

keel: 122 piedi or 37,2 meters 

width:37 piedi or 11,3 meters     

 

 

2)Armament

 

26x40lb in the corridoio(hallway?) 

26X30lb on the deck

12x14lb on the quarterdeck

 

History :

Part of the war against the Barbary States. 

Captured by the French at Corfu (1797).

 

Sistership : Gloria Veneta (1794)

 

Sources : http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm

                   http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6362-venetian-ships-1797-1799/

                   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Emo

                   http://www.sandroferuglio.com/la-grande-epopea-della-vela/fregata-grossa-veneziana-fama-1784/

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San Michele Arcangelo (?)


(St. Michael the Archangel)


Venetian


40 to 56-gun 2-deck frigate


1743 - 1774


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General characteristics (1 Venetian piede = 0,3 meter = 12 inches)


Length (piedi) : 128,85


Keel (piedi) : 110


Beam (piedi) : 35


Draft (piedi) : 16,5


Height keel to upper deck (piedi) : 27,50


 


Armament (1 Venetian lb =  488 grams) :


Fregate Grossa version (40-gun) : 20 x 30 lbs + 20 x 14 lbs (deck)


Could be easily modified in a Venetian "2-rate" (56-gun) : 24 x 30 lbs (battery) + 24 x 14 lbs (deck) et 8 x 12 lbs (quarterdeck).


 


Sisterships of the San Michele Ship-class :


San Michel Archangelo (1743-1774)


Cervo d'Oro (1743-1750)


Giglio d'Oro (1749-1769)


Concordia (1773-1793)


Minerva(1773-1797)


 


 


Used in combat, coast patrolling and spare mast transport to levantine bases.


 


Sources :


http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm


http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916144/Venetian%20Large%20Frigates


http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html


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Unnamed

 Venetian, 1757

Light cargo 8-gun Frigate ("Fregatone")

 

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Fregatone is a light venetian cargo frigate, used in the Adriatic Sea.

 

 

http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_68&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU

 

My personal favorite...

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Speranza (?)

(Hope)

(or Speranza Modificata-Class San Vincenzo Ferrer)

Venetian

40 to 56-gun 2-deck Fregata Grossa

1751 - 1773

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http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_72&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU

 
General characteristics (1 Venetian piede = 0,3 meter = 12 inches)

Length (piedi) : 128,45

Keel (piedi) : 110
Beam (piedi) : 33,36
Draft (piedi) : 16,68

Height keel to upper deck (piedi) : 28,25

 

Armament (1 Venetian lb =  488 grams) :
Fregate Grossa version (40-gun) : 20 x 20 lbs + 20 x 12 lbs
Could be easily modified in a Venetian "2-rate" (58-gun) : 24 x 20 lbs (battery) + 24 x 12 lbs (deck) et 10 x 12 lbs (quarterdeck).
 

Sistership : none.
 

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Source :
http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm
http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=23586

http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/915627/MSRF%20Speranza
http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html

 

Thanks to Sella22 !

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That's fancy one. Big, too, if she carries 50 guns

 

Also, about Fama (post #2): How is she a frigate? She's basically a 64-gun 3rd rate SoL.

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Also, about Fama (post #2): How is she a frigate? She's basically a 64-gun 3rd rate SoL.

 

 

Well the Venetians called her fregata grossa,literally meaning super frigate hence calling her a frigate.The appropriate classification is up to you guys :D

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Unknown

Venetian

16+ (?)gun Polaca/Polacre

middle 18th century

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Info,pics,plans and a model at:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7290-completed-venetian-polacre-by-cristiano-xviii-century-from-original-drawings/page-1 (Needs logging in to the website to view the thread)

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La Muiron

Venetian / French

44-gun frigate

(1797)

 

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http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/9030

 

Characteristics

Measures (venetian piedi) : 135'6" x 35'6" x 19' (1 Venetian piede = 0,3 meter = 12 inches)

Armament : 28 x 18 lbs + 12 x 6 lbs.

Copper planking in november 1798.

 

Her history

Captured unfinished by the Army of Napoleon Bonaparte in the shipyard of Venice in 1797 and completed by Pierre-Alexandre Forfait. Named after Napoleon's aide-de-camp Jean-Baptiste Muiron who died saving Napoleon's life during the battle of Arcole on 15th November 1796. Napoleon sail on her on his voyage back from Egypt. 

 

Sourcehttp://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/9030

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Leon Trionfante

 

Venetian

venetian 1st rate

70 or 80 guns

(1716)

 

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General characteristics:

Lenght: 140,5 piedi or 42,8 meters

Keel: 124 piedi or 37,8 meters

Width; 37 piedi or 11,3

Draft: 18,5 piedi or 5,64 meters

 

Guns(venetian pounds):

8x14pd on the poopdeck

2x200pd(!) on the forecastle

24x40pd in the corridor

30x20pd on the deck

6x120pd(!) in the corridor

 

 

Plans and info are from the books "Vascelli e fregate della Serenissima" 

http://www.amazon.it/Vascelli-fregate-Serenissima-veneziana-1652-1797/dp/8890565144/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_img_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=10SB0B1PBW7848V5AFN2

 

and Navi veneziane-Venetian ships

http://www.amazon.fr/Navi-veneziane-Venetian-ships-Gilberto-Penzo/dp/888190103X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1445631636&sr=8-2&keywords=navi+veneziane

 

and http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html

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 San Carlo Borromeo

Venetian

Venetian 1st rate

66 guns

(1741)

 

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General characteristics:

Lenght:147,16 piedi or 44,85 meters

Keel: 126 piedi or 38,4 meters

Width: 38 piedi or 11,59 meters

Draft:17,25 piedi or 5,26 meters

 

Guns:

28X40pd

26x20pd

12x14pd

 

Sources: http://www.modellismo.net/forum/1202741-post2.html

               http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html

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Guns:

8x14pd on the poopdeck

2x200pd(!) on the forecastle

24x40pd in the corridor

30x20pd on the deck

6x120pd(!) in the corridor

Reminder: Venetian lbs =! British lbs., e.g. Venetian 40pdr is equivalent to British 26pdr. Still those denoted with ! appear to be very large weapons. Not sure what they would be circa 1716.

Edit: threedecks.org says they were shell guns. Possibly the nominal weight is for solid shot, but they only fired much lighter shells?

Lower Gun Deck 4 Venetian 200-Pounder Shell Gun

Lower Gun Deck 22 Venitian 40-Pounder

Upper Gun Deck 4 Venetian 120-Pounder Shell Gun

Upper Gun Deck 22 Venitian 30-Pounder

Quarterdeck/Forecastle 16 Venetian 14-Pounder

Quarterdeck/Forecastle 2 Venetian 14-Pounder Culverin

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"venetians use differents pound measurements (Libbre Sottili= 301,2 g, and Libbre pesanti = 477 g)
The Libbre sottili was used in ship gun sizes."

 

taken from http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html

 

1 pound =0.45359237 kilograms so it is rougly 22 grams off than the venetian pound.If you want to make the conversions be my guest  :P 

 

There is also a chart in the same link:

 

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Zeffiro

Sicilian

18-gun corvette

(1832)

 

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General characteristics: 

 

Lenght:43,4 meters

Width:9,9 meters

Draugt:5,1 meters

 

Guns:

 

16x32pdr carronades

2x30pdr paxhain guns

 

 

 

 

Info: http://www.marina.difesa.it/storiacultura/storia/almanacco/Pagine/TUVZ/zeffiro_corvetta.aspx

http://5500.forumactif.org/t317-restauration-une-corvette-aviso-1832-1840

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeffiro_(corvetta)

 

 

Thank you LeBoiteux,Wagram,Surcouf for the help and the info!

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Sella you find some awesome ships, but they keep straying outside of the 1830 hardcap.  These ships after 1830 need to be in the history section, not the shipyard. :)

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Well its only 2 years off the hard limit compared to my Greek ships :P Anyway italian ships and especially plans are rare and really hard to come by so lets let the devs decide if it can be an exception.

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