Venetian/Italian Ship Collection (With Plans)

[Niagara_1812]

I kind of like these ships, especially their designs, very aesthetically pleasing!

[maturin]

Hah, I'm glad people around here don't know about Malta. Otherwise we would have to listen to breathless exclamations of pirates! with ships of the line.

[Sella]

Hah, I'm glad people around here don't know about Malta. Otherwise we would have to listen to breathless exclamations of pirates! with ships of the line.

 

Could you tell us a bit more about it mr maturin?

[Sella]

Original post:http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7306-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/?p=144854

 

Note: The model of the 3rd rate above could also be the San Giovanni.

 

 

San Giovanni/Athenienne/Athenian

("St. john")

Maltese 64-gun 3rd Rate, 1796

 

 

 

Captured by the French at the surrender of Malta (1798) and renamed Athénien or L'Athénienne.

Renamed HMS Athenian by the British in 1801.

Wrecked in 1806..

 

Dimensions & tons: 163'3", 132' x 44'9" x 19'8". 1411 89/94.

Men : 491.

Guns : GD 26 x 20, UD 26 x 18, QD 2 x 9 + 8 x 24 * [carronades], FC 2 x 9 + 4 x 24* [carronades].

 

 

 

 

 

Comments (in french)

Le plan ("taken off") du vaisseau HMS Athenian, ex-Athénien (selon Demerliac) ou L'Athénienne (selon Lyon) français, ex-Saint Jean ou San Giovanni maltais (Lyon, Sailing Navy Ship List, p.240)

 
Commentaire de Lyon:
Athenian 1800-1806 (French L'Athénienne taken 1798 from the Knights of St. John at Malta as Saint Jean/San Giovanni [70] building 1796. Malta) 64.
Dimensions & tons: 163'3", 132' x 44'9" x 19'8". 1411 89/94.
Men: 491. Guns: GD 26 x 20, UD 26 x 18, QD 2 x 9 + 8 x 24 * [carronades], FC 2 x 9 + 4 x 24* [carronades]. Taken at the surrender of Malta; 27.10.1806 wrecked off Sicily.
 
L'armement paraît être celui des Anglais. Selon Demerliac, Nomenclature 1792-1800, p.64, N°338, le vaisseau fut pris sur cale et lancé en décembre 1799 seulement: port: 1200 tx, déplacement en charge: environ 2300 tx. Longueur: 156 (quille: 140) x 42 x 20'2" et 19'6"/20'6". Off. + 600 hommes. Armement 64/70 canons: 26 xx, 26/28 xii?, 12/16 petit calibre

 

 

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Athenienne

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=15025

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=2211

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=3179

 

 

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81333.html(when available)

 

 

Credits to LeBoiteux and Wagram!

Edited April 19, 2016 by Sella22

[OTMatt]

 

Unknown

Venetian "Primo Rango" First rate

 

Could be the San Carlo Borromeo.Notice that lovely paint scheme.

 

Or one of the two ships at the end of the list: 

 

http://www.veniceboats.com/it-progetti-piani-navi-grosse.htm

 

https://youtu.be/1j5RcMuoED0?t=7m20s 7:20-7:38

 

 

Thats a beauty right there, it has my vote for Venetian ships.

[Samuel of Illiria Province]

Unknown

Venetian "Primo Rango" First rate

 

 

 

Could be the San Carlo Borromeo.Notice that lovely paint scheme.

 

Or one of the two ships at the end of the list: 

 

http://www.veniceboats.com/it-progetti-piani-navi-grosse.htm

 

https://youtu.be/1j5RcMuoED0?t=7m20s 7:20-7:38

permission to droll mi capitano?

 

 

Please game developers, consider adding in a venetian 2nd rate. As a person whos ancestor was a captain (of a merchantmen, sadly) in Venetian fleet in Dalmatia isles i would love to sail one. even if it means she will rock on the ocean waves unsteadily left and right.

Edited April 20, 2016 by SteelSandwich
combined posts

[Haratik]

 

 

Unknown

Third rate ship-of-the-line (Mid 18th century)

A contemporary model of a vessel of the order of St. John

 

Maybe the San Giacomo 

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=15024

 

 

 

Unknown

Maltese

 

 

 

 

I believe the answer to this model lies in one of the several conversations we have had on the topic of Maltese ships Mr Sella

[maturin]

Could you tell us a bit more about it mr maturin?

The Knights of St. John are frequently referred to as Christian Pirates.

 

Clearly this means that the pirates in the game should have the best fortresses and melee bonuses because they wear full plate armor and wield greatswords.

[Sella]

I believe the answer to this model lies in one of the several conversations we have had on the topic of Maltese ships Mr Sella

 

Have we? My apologies then, it seems that i have missed it. Could you please tell me the answer or message me and i will correct it right away!

[LeBoiteux]

The Knights of St. John are frequently referred to as Christian Pirates.

 

Clearly this means that the pirates in the game should have the best fortresses and melee bonuses because they wear full plate armor and wield greatswords.

 

The knight of St. John was a powerful and rich religious order that included in its ranks Christian Nobles such as the French Admirals d'Estrées, Tourville and Suffren and that, among other things, acted as privateers against Ottoman/Barabry states traders in the Mediterranean Sea.

 

Daring comparaison to NA pirates. 

(the second daring one after that of XVIIth-XIXth naval paintings to photorealism ) 

[Haratik]

The knight of St. John was a powerful and rich religious order that included in its ranks Christian Nobles such as the French Admirals d'Estrées, Tourville and Suffren and that, among other things, acted as privateers against Ottoman/Barabry states traders in the Mediterranean Sea.

Daring comparaison to NA pirates.

(the second daring one after that of XVIIth-XIXth naval paintings to photorealism )

I'm more surprised that maturin dared to assume that they wore full plate and wielded greatswords all the way up to the Napoleonic era. Maybe a few, but the entire corps? That's a rather uncharacteristic statement!

[Haratik]

Original post:http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7306-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/?p=144854

Note: The model of the 3rd rate above could also be the San Giovanni.

That model is indeed the San Giovanni. She's on a future vote of ships of the line for me, but as I stated before, I will be eyeing frigates and smaller vessels for the next vote or two.

[LeBoiteux]

I'm more surprised that maturin dared to assume that they wore full plate and wielded greatswords all the way up to the Napoleonic era. Maybe a few, but the entire corps? That's a rather uncharacteristic statement!

Still, the equation Malta = pirates, so NA pirates "should have the best fortresses and melee bonuses" sounds either audacious, ironic or for fun.   

[Sella]

I'm pretty sure it was ironic

[Haratik]

I'm suffering from iron deficiency it seems.

[Fluffy Fishy]

Aquila Veliera

Venetian 50(*?) gun 2nd Rate (Secondo Rango)

Launched in

Crew: 528





* (A description says its 70 guns, I can only count 29 on each side so I am unsure where the others go)

29 each side, and a fairly beefy battery of on the stern

A direct translation from what is written in the book Duri i Banchi:
3rd rank from 50 cannons class St. Anthony of Padova stretched constructed by Antonio Feletto , released 13 April 1697. Additionally stretched to the second rank of 52 guns in 1714 and renamed Aquiletta . Arsenal demolished by decree October 31, 1727 remained in service 30 years

Edited April 30, 2016 by Fluffy Fishy

[Coriolanus]

 

Unnamed

Venetian first rate

Late 17th to early 18th century

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

High res:http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010716&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana

http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010714&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana

http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010715&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana

http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010760&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana

http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010759&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana

http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010757&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana

http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=mag_GEO0010756&mode=all&teca=GeoWeb+-+Marciana

 

Madonna che bella questa....ma guardate che rifiniture.....alla prima cannonata che ricevo mi metto a piangere

Edited April 30, 2016 by Coriolanus

[Sella]

Aquila Veliera

Venetian 70(*?) gun 2nd Rate (Secondo Rango)

Ordered in 1695, Completed in 1708.

Crew: 528

* (The description says its 70 guns, I can only count 60 so I am unsure where the other 10 go)

29 each side, and a fairly beefy battery of on the stern

 

 

 

Source:  Vascelli e fregate della Serenissima

 

 

For gun details:

[Fluffy Fishy]

Venetian Galleass

18th Century

[Fluffy Fishy]

San Lorenzo Zustinian

Venetian First rate

[Fluffy Fishy]

Venetian "1780" Class

2nd Rate

[Sella]

Wonderfull all of them     

[Malachi]

Stern and head drawings for two french Pallas-class frigates built in Venice in 1811 and 1813:

 

 

 

 

A nice variation the french 'horse-shoe' transom and the decorations are really beautiful.

[Sella]

Really nice findings! Although not entirely Italian they are still welcome!!

 

It seems the first one is Amphitrete and the second one Hebe? If i am reading it correctly of course

[Fluffy Fishy]

This isn't strictly a ship (fairly obviously) but this is a map of the Venetian Arsenale, the rectangles shaded yellow are the ones specifically used as sheds for building and maintaining large frigates, the largest being the yellow labelled 1-8 with the writing "Isolotto" written over them

You can also see the location of the main water gate positioned in the transparent rectangles with NA written over them, this is to allow larger ships to easily be produced and access the Arsenal for maintenance and refitting.