Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) WiP Well i took the initiative to make LeBoiteux's idea into reality.A thread which contains all the venetian/italian ship in the forums. Unnamed Venetian 22-gun corvette XVIII-th century Books: Title:Duri i banchi! Le navi della Serenissima 421-1797 Author:Guido Ercole Link: http://www.amazon.it/Duri-banchi-della-Serenissima-421-1797/dp/8890251107 Title:Vascelli e fregate della Serenissima. Navi di linea della Marina veneziana 1652-1797 Author:Guido Ercole Link:http://www.amazon.it/Vascelli-fregate-Serenissima-veneziana-1652-1797/dp/8890565144/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_img_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=10SB0B1PBW7848V5AFN2 Title:Navi veneziane-Venetian ships Author:Gilberto Penzo Link:http://www.amazon.fr/Navi-veneziane-Venetian-ships-Gilberto-Penzo/dp/888190103X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1445631636&sr=8-2&keywords=navi+veneziane Title:Vele italiane della costa occidentale Author:Edoardo Guerrieri and Sergio Bellabarba Link:http://www.amazon.com/Vele-italiane-della-costa-occidentale/dp/8820348330/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1447246313&sr=1-1&keywords=Vele+italiane+della+costa+occidentale&pebp=1447246318873&perid=01XM9109D3YKGFF909JD About the book:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6156-vele-italiane-della-costa-occidentale/ Title:VENEZIA '800: BUFERA IN ARSENALE La Marina veneziana nel ventennio napoleonico (1796-1815) Author:Guido Ercole Link:http://milistoria.it/Apps/WebObjects/Milistoria.woa/wa/XDirectAction/viewProduct?id=95690〈=ita Title:Navi veneziane-Venetian ships Author:Gilberto Penzo Link:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Navi-veneziane-Venetian-ships-Gilberto-Penzo/dp/888190103X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1467971663&sr=8-3&keywords=venetian+ships More sources:More detailed plans:http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/ricercaMag.jsp?searchType=avanzato&q=&opCha__creator=AND&channel__creator=&opCha__title=AND&channel__title=&opCha__contributor=AND&channel__contributor=&opCha__issuedYear=AND&channel__issuedYear_from=&channel__issuedYear_until=&opCha__publisher=AND&channel__publisher=&opCha__subject=AND&channel__subject=&opCha__language=AND+OR&opCha__typeTipo=AND+OR&opCha__typeLivello=AND&channel__typeLivello=&opCha__typeDigitale=AND+OR&opCha__location=AND&channel__location=&opCha__collectionText=AND&channel__collectionText=Disegni+navali&opCha__agency=AND+OR&opCha__descSourceLevel2=AND+OR&imageField2.x=11&imageField2.y=6 http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916144/Venetian%20Large%20Frigates http://nuke.gmtmodellismo.it/ILIBRI/NAVISTORIAEMODELLISMO/VASCELLIEFREGATEDELLASERENISSIMA/tabid/369/Default.aspx http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm http://www.modellismo.net/forum/recensione-libri-e-articoli/105840-vascelli-e-fregate-della-serenissima.html http://www.veniceboats.com/das-erbe-der-serenissima.htm http://www.modellismo.net/forum/recensione-libri-e-articoli/105863-duri-i-banchi-le-navi-della-serenissima-421-1797-a.html http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html Credit goes to all of the people that found the info/plans/drawings and posted them in the respective threads.I only put them together in a single thread. Feel free to contribute! Edited July 8, 2016 by Sella22 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Fama Venetian 66-gun Frigate 1784 About the Fama : That Fregata Grossa (Heavy Frigate) became famous when becoming Angelo Emo’s flagship, Grand Admiral of the Republic of Venice. To him, the best ship ever of the Venetian Navy. She was fast. Fregata Grossa Fama Class : 1) Measurement : Draft: 17,5 piedi or 5,30 meters lenght:138 piedi or 42,42 meters keel: 122 piedi or 37,2 meters width:37 piedi or 11,3 meters 2)Armament 26x40lb in the corridoio(hallway?) 26X30lb on the deck 12x14lb on the quarterdeck History : Part of the war against the Barbary States. Captured by the French at Corfu (1797). Sistership : Gloria Veneta (1794) Sources : http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6362-venetian-ships-1797-1799/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Emo http://www.sandroferuglio.com/la-grande-epopea-della-vela/fregata-grossa-veneziana-fama-1784/ Edited January 31, 2016 by Sella22 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) San Michele Arcangelo (?) (St. Michael the Archangel) Venetian 40 to 56-gun 2-deck frigate 1743 - 1774 General characteristics (1 Venetian piede = 0,3 meter = 12 inches) Length (piedi) : 128,85 Keel (piedi) : 110 Beam (piedi) : 35 Draft (piedi) : 16,5 Height keel to upper deck (piedi) : 27,50 Armament (1 Venetian lb = 488 grams) : Fregate Grossa version (40-gun) : 20 x 30 lbs + 20 x 14 lbs (deck) Could be easily modified in a Venetian "2-rate" (56-gun) : 24 x 30 lbs (battery) + 24 x 14 lbs (deck) et 8 x 12 lbs (quarterdeck). Sisterships of the San Michele Ship-class : San Michel Archangelo (1743-1774) Cervo d'Oro (1743-1750) Giglio d'Oro (1749-1769) Concordia (1773-1793) Minerva(1773-1797) Used in combat, coast patrolling and spare mast transport to levantine bases. Sources : http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916144/Venetian%20Large%20Frigates http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html Edited May 5, 2016 by Sella22 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Unnamed Venetian 40(?)-gun frigate XVIII-th century http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Unnamed Venetian 28-gun Frigate XVIII-th century http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Unnamed Venetian Frigate XVIII-th century http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Unnamed Venetian, 1757 Light cargo 8-gun Frigate ("Fregatone") A Fregatone is a light venetian cargo frigate, used in the Adriatic Sea. http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_68&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU My personal favorite... Edited November 11, 2015 by Sella22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Unnamed Venetian 60-gun 4th-Rate 1757 http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_81&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Speranza (?) (Hope) (or Speranza Modificata-Class San Vincenzo Ferrer) Venetian 40 to 56-gun 2-deck Fregata Grossa 1751 - 1773 http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_72&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU General characteristics (1 Venetian piede = 0,3 meter = 12 inches) Length (piedi) : 128,45 Keel (piedi) : 110Beam (piedi) : 33,36Draft (piedi) : 16,68 Height keel to upper deck (piedi) : 28,25 Armament (1 Venetian lb = 488 grams) :Fregate Grossa version (40-gun) : 20 x 20 lbs + 20 x 12 lbsCould be easily modified in a Venetian "2-rate" (58-gun) : 24 x 20 lbs (battery) + 24 x 12 lbs (deck) et 10 x 12 lbs (quarterdeck). Sistership : none. Source :http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htmhttp://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=23586 http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/915627/MSRF%20Speranzahttp://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html Thanks to Sella22 ! Edited January 17, 2016 by LeBoiteux 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) How to build a XVIIIth-century Venetian Frigate (for the Dummies) Edited November 11, 2015 by LeBoiteux 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Unknown Venetian 46-gun (?) Xebec (Sciabecco) Plans by Antonio Nadale (?) XVIIth century http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_63&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xebec 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Unknown Venetian Small Xebec (Sambecchino) 50 guns and swivel guns (?), XVIIth century Plans by Antonio Nadale (?) http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_70&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xebec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Unknown Venetian Small Xebec (Sambecchino) 50 guns and swivel guns (?), XVIIth century Plans by Antonio Nadale (?) http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_70&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xebec That's fancy one. Big, too, if she carries 50 guns Also, about Fama (post #2): How is she a frigate? She's basically a 64-gun 3rd rate SoL. Edited November 11, 2015 by Arvenski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussar Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 pretty, all of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 Also, about Fama (post #2): How is she a frigate? She's basically a 64-gun 3rd rate SoL. Well the Venetians called her fregata grossa,literally meaning super frigate hence calling her a frigate.The appropriate classification is up to you guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 -snip- She looks like a galley to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 11, 2015 Author Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Unknown Venetian 16+ (?)gun Polaca/Polacre middle 18th century Info,pics,plans and a model at:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7290-completed-venetian-polacre-by-cristiano-xviii-century-from-original-drawings/page-1 (Needs logging in to the website to view the thread) Edited November 29, 2015 by Sella22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) La Muiron Venetian / French 44-gun frigate (1797) http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/9030 Characteristics Measures (venetian piedi) : 135'6" x 35'6" x 19' (1 Venetian piede = 0,3 meter = 12 inches) Armament : 28 x 18 lbs + 12 x 6 lbs. Copper planking in november 1798. Her history Captured unfinished by the Army of Napoleon Bonaparte in the shipyard of Venice in 1797 and completed by Pierre-Alexandre Forfait. Named after Napoleon's aide-de-camp Jean-Baptiste Muiron who died saving Napoleon's life during the battle of Arcole on 15th November 1796. Napoleon sail on her on his voyage back from Egypt. Source : http://mnm.webmuseo.com/ws/musee-national-marine/app/collection/record/9030 Edited February 13, 2016 by LeBoiteux 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Leon Trionfante Venetian venetian 1st rate 70 or 80 guns (1716) General characteristics: Lenght: 140,5 piedi or 42,8 meters Keel: 124 piedi or 37,8 meters Width; 37 piedi or 11,3 Draft: 18,5 piedi or 5,64 meters Guns(venetian pounds): 8x14pd on the poopdeck 2x200pd(!) on the forecastle 24x40pd in the corridor 30x20pd on the deck 6x120pd(!) in the corridor Plans and info are from the books "Vascelli e fregate della Serenissima" http://www.amazon.it/Vascelli-fregate-Serenissima-veneziana-1652-1797/dp/8890565144/ref=pd_rhf_dp_p_img_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=10SB0B1PBW7848V5AFN2 and Navi veneziane-Venetian ships http://www.amazon.fr/Navi-veneziane-Venetian-ships-Gilberto-Penzo/dp/888190103X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1445631636&sr=8-2&keywords=navi+veneziane and http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html Edited May 8, 2016 by Sella22 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) San Carlo Borromeo Venetian Venetian 1st rate 66 guns (1741) General characteristics: Lenght:147,16 piedi or 44,85 meters Keel: 126 piedi or 38,4 meters Width: 38 piedi or 11,59 meters Draft:17,25 piedi or 5,26 meters Guns: 28X40pd 26x20pd 12x14pd Sources: http://www.modellismo.net/forum/1202741-post2.html http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html Edited November 12, 2015 by Sella22 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Guns: 8x14pd on the poopdeck 2x200pd(!) on the forecastle 24x40pd in the corridor 30x20pd on the deck 6x120pd(!) in the corridor Reminder: Venetian lbs =! British lbs., e.g. Venetian 40pdr is equivalent to British 26pdr. Still those denoted with ! appear to be very large weapons. Not sure what they would be circa 1716.Edit: threedecks.org says they were shell guns. Possibly the nominal weight is for solid shot, but they only fired much lighter shells? Lower Gun Deck 4 Venetian 200-Pounder Shell Gun Lower Gun Deck 22 Venitian 40-Pounder Upper Gun Deck 4 Venetian 120-Pounder Shell Gun Upper Gun Deck 22 Venitian 30-Pounder Quarterdeck/Forecastle 16 Venetian 14-Pounder Quarterdeck/Forecastle 2 Venetian 14-Pounder Culverin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) "venetians use differents pound measurements (Libbre Sottili= 301,2 g, and Libbre pesanti = 477 g)The Libbre sottili was used in ship gun sizes." taken from http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html 1 pound =0.45359237 kilograms so it is rougly 22 grams off than the venetian pound.If you want to make the conversions be my guest There is also a chart in the same link: Edited November 12, 2015 by Sella22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Zeffiro Sicilian 18-gun corvette (1832) General characteristics: Lenght:43,4 meters Width:9,9 meters Draugt:5,1 meters Guns: 16x32pdr carronades 2x30pdr paxhain guns Info: http://www.marina.difesa.it/storiacultura/storia/almanacco/Pagine/TUVZ/zeffiro_corvetta.aspx http://5500.forumactif.org/t317-restauration-une-corvette-aviso-1832-1840 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeffiro_(corvetta) Thank you LeBoiteux,Wagram,Surcouf for the help and the info! Edited November 12, 2015 by Sella22 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haratik Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Sella you find some awesome ships, but they keep straying outside of the 1830 hardcap. These ships after 1830 need to be in the history section, not the shipyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Well its only 2 years off the hard limit compared to my Greek ships Anyway italian ships and especially plans are rare and really hard to come by so lets let the devs decide if it can be an exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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