SteelSandwich Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 Online databases, archives, books etc. There is an argument to be made that ships from 1650 onward should be included, the line tactics were implemented after all. Armament and hull wise i think they would not be severely outclassed. Mainly rigging wise and their sailing performance that is rather underdeveloped. Maybe its an option, in a distant future, to get a dedicated server for the early timeframe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasha Souvenir2 Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 In the Naval museum of St. Petersburg has seen here such picture - the Dutch 96-gun warship 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 26, 2016 Author Share Posted October 26, 2016 Very nice to see it in colour! Its very similar but not exactly: http://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl/beeldbank/indeling/detail/start/82?q_searchfield=linieschip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) I was looking at Admiraal de Ruyter a little bit just now and I can't count 90 guns, she seems to have 36 gunports, assuming another 4 on her bow this would maker her an 80 gun ship, am I missing something or is there a mistake somewhere? When looking at wiki and things it seems to suggest that she is an 80 gunner, not a 90. I had a flick through Robert Gardener's "Warships of the Napoleonic Era" but sadly the book only mentions a couple of dutch ships from the republican period, not the Napoleonic occupation and only contains plans for Prince Frederic (64), Tromp (54), Heldin (28), Sirene (24), Havik (16) and De Braak (16) as recorded by the British. Edited October 28, 2016 by Fluffy Fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roelandus Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) She was built as an 80 gunner, but later upgraded to 90 guns, they added the guns to the upper deck. Just count the spaces between the 2 small upright blocks you get 45 cannons a side then. Edited October 29, 2016 by Roelandus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 I was looking at Admiraal de Ruyter a little bit just now and I can't count 90 guns, she seems to have 36 gunports, assuming another 4 on her bow this would maker her an 80 gun ship, am I missing something or is there a mistake somewhere? When looking at wiki and things it seems to suggest that she is an 80 gunner, not a 90. I had a flick through Robert Gardener's "Warships of the Napoleonic Era" but sadly the book only mentions a couple of dutch ships from the republican period, not the Napoleonic occupation and only contains plans for Prince Frederic (64), Tromp (54), Heldin (28), Sirene (24), Havik (16) and De Braak (16) as recorded by the British. As Roelandus mentioned above me, the ships were refitted during their lifetime. Maybe i should take a step back and start from the beginning. The Wreeker/Wreker-Class is a ship design from Pieter Glavimans, which received approval in 1795. In total 7 ships would be build according to his plans. Wreker/Wreeker (spelling differs in nearly all sources) 1798 Chatham 1799 Admiraal Zoutman 1800 Admiraal de Ruyter 1806 Leeuw 1806 Admiraal de Ruyter 1808 Admiraal Evertsen 1808 In this topic you can find the plans of Wreker, Chatham, Admiraal de Ruyter (1806) and Leeuw. Luckily, loads of reference material exists of these ships, i even heard that the lines of the Admiraal Zoutman are in possession of the french archives! (I would not have a clue where to start regarding that, so i'll leave that be) That as a mere sidenote, the ships were refitted during their lifespan (all of them) yet not simultaneous. To illustrate this i have included a list of the dutch Naval strength around 1806: Chatham, 90 guns, 1799 built, serviceable time presumably 30 years, lying at Hellevoetsluis Wreeker, 80 guns, 1797 built, serviceable time presumably 30 years, at Texel Zoutman, 80 guns, 1798, serviceable time presumably 20 years, at Texel Admiraal de Ruiter, 80 guns De Leeuw, 80 guns Brutus, 76 guns, 1782 built, serviceable time presumably 10 years, at Texel Bato, 76 guns, 1782 built, serviceable time presumably 2 years, at Kaap de Goede Hoop Kortenaar, 68 guns, 1795 built, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in Dutch East Indies Olden Barneveld, 68 guns, 1796 built, presumably useless, at Ferrol Doggersbank, 68 guns, 1797 built, serviceable time presumably 16 years, at Texel Joan de Wit, 68 guns, 1798 built, serviceable time presumably 20 years, at Texel Neptunes, 68 guns, 1798 built, serviceable time presumably 16 years, Texel Revolutie, 68 guns, 1798 built, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in Dutch East Indies Pieter Paulus, 68 guns, 1798 built, serviceable time presumably 20 years, at Hellevoetsluis Schrikverwekker, 68 guns, 1798 built, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in East Indies Herstelder, 68 guns, 1798 built, serviceable time presumably 20 years, at Texel Pluto, 68 guns, 1798, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in Dutch East Indies Phoenix, 32 guns, 1797 built, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in Dutch East Indies Kenau Hasselaar, 32 guns, 1800 built, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in Dutch West-Indies Pallas, 32 guns, 1801 built, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in Dutch East Indies Euridice, 32 guns, 1801, serviceable time presumably 25 years, at Hellevoetsluis Irene, 32 guns, 1803 built, serviceable time presumably 30 years, at Hellevoetsluis Diana, 32 guns, 1804, on stocks at Rotterdam Maria Reygersbergen, 32 guns, 1800, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in Dutch East Indies Orpheus, 32 guns, 1802 built, serviceable time presumably 30 years, at Texel Aurora, 32 guns, 1802 built, serviceable time presumably 30 guns, at Flushing Minerva, 32 guns, 1804, on stocks at Flushing Zee-Paard, 24 guns, 1782 built, serviceable time presumably 6 years, at Texel Walcheren, 24 guns, 1787 built, for active service unsuitable, old, serving as floating magazine Scipio, 20 guns, 1785 bought in England, should be already condemned, Dutch East Indies Iris, 20 guns, 1802 built, serviceable time presumably 30 years, at Texel Spion, 18 guns, 1797 built, privateer in Norway Ajax, 18 guns, 1796 built, serviceable time presumably 20 years, at Texel Avanturier, 18 guns, 1801 built, serviceable time presumably 2 years, in Dutch East Indies Vlieg, 6 guns, 1788 built, serviceable time presumably 12 years, at Texel 8 gunboats, 6 guns, 1798 built, located at several places 3 gun galleys, 7 guns, 1799 built, in the Waddenzee 24 gun schooners, 7 guns, 1800, partly inland service and at Oostende 216 flat-bottomed vessels, 3 guns, 1803-1804, at Oostende 38 gun schooners, 7 guns, 1803-1804 built, at Oostende 31 landing vessels, 1 gun, 1804-1805 built, at Texel 6 coast vessels, 1 gun, 1804 built, 4 at Texel, 2 at Hellevoetsluis As it shows, the Chatham at this time already received its refitting, whilst the other 4 haven't. Since you were interested in fleet lists, i have included one from 1788 as well: Willem de Eerste, 70 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1785, new Staaten Generaal, 70 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1786, lying at Rotterdam, new Admiraal Generaal, 70 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, lying in the Oude Veer, useless, not able to go to sea anymore Vryheid, 70 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1782, , lying in the Oude Veer, [returned from a voyage?] Jupiter, 70 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1782, lying in the Oude Veer, [returned from a voyage?] Neptunus, 70 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1783 lying at Amsterdam, new Prins Maurits, 70 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1783, lying at Amsterdam, new De 7 Provincien, 70 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1783, lying at Amsterdam, new Vriesland, 70 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1783, lying at Harlingen, new Stad en lande, 70 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1783, lying at Harlingen, new Prins Frederik, 68 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1777, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetsluis)), good condition Cortenaar, 68 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1780, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetsluis)), good condition Hercules, 68 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1781, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetsluis)), good condition Prins Willem, 68 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1781, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetsluis)), good condition Wassenaar, 68 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1782, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetsluis)), good condition Rotterdam, 68 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1782, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetsluis)), good condition Dordrecht, 68 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1783, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetsluis)), good condition Amsterdam, 68 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1764, lying in the Oude Veer as guardship Admiraal de Ruyter, 68 guns, built 1779, admiralty of Amsterdam, lying at Amsterdam, good condition Gelderland, 68 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1781, lying at Amsterdam, being repaired Utrecht, 68 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1781, lying at Amsterdam, being repaired Overyssel, 68 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1781, lying at Amsterdam, being repaired Cerberus, 68 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1784, lying at Amsterdam, new Haarlem, 68 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1785, lying at Amsterdam, new Leyden, 68 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1786, lying at Amsterdam, new Gouda, 68 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, on stocks 1787 Zuid-Beveland, 68 guns, admiralty of Zealand, built 1747, lying at Flushing as guardship Zeelandia, 68 guns, admiralty of Zealand, built 1782, lying at Flushing, new West-Friesland, 68 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1783, lying at Medemblik, new Noord-Holland, 68 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1783, lying in the Oude Veer at Hoorn, good condition Hoop, 68 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1783, lying in the Oude Veer, new Verwagting, 68 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1783, lying in the Oude Veer, new Herstelder, 68 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1783, lying at Hoorn, new Pluto, 68 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1783,lying at Medemblik, new Admiraal de Vries, 68 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1783, lying in the Oude Veer [returned from a voyage?} Oostergo, 68 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1784, lying at Harlingen, new Westergo, 68 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1784, lying at Harlingen, new Zevenwolden, 68 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1784, lying at Harlingen, new Schiedam, 50 guns, Admiralty of the Maze, built 1745, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetshuis), unsuitable for sea duties Admiraal Tromp, 56 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1777, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetshuis), good condition Delft, 56 guns, admiralty of the Maze, in service 1782, good condition Brakel, 56 guns, admiralty of the Maze, in service 1782, good condition Glinthorst, 56 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1754, lying in the Oude Veer, useless Princes Louisa, 56 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1768, in the Dutch East Indies Admiraal Piet Hein, 56 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1774, lying in the Noorderdiep Batavier, 56 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1779, lying at Amsterdam, being repaired Goes, 56 guns, admiralty of Zealand, built 1781, lying at Flushing, good condition Alkmaar, 56 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1781, lying at Hoorn, good condition Beschermer, 56 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built1781, in the Dutch East Indies Castor, one gundeck, 40 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1781, good condition Pollux, one gundeck, 40 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1781, good condition Centaurus, one gundeck, 40 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1781, good condition Zuyleveld, 2 gundecks, 44 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1775, lying in the Noorderdiep, hospital ship Medea, one gundeck, 40 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1782, lying at Amsterdam, good condition Hector, 2 gundecks, 40 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1784, lying at Amsterdam, good condition Tholen, 40 guns, admiralty of Zealand, built 1782, lying at Flushing, new Monnikkendam, 40 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1782, lying at Enkhuizen, good condition Pallas, 40 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1781, lying at Harlingen Harlingen, 40 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1782, lying at Harlingen Ceres, 36 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1766, in the Dutch East Indies Jason, 36 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1770 Briel, 36 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1786, lying at Helvoet (=Hellevoetsluis), new 't Hof Zouburg, 36 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1767, in the Mediterranean Amphitrite, 36 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1768, in the Dutch East Indies Amazone, 36 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1768, lying in the Noorderdiep, good condition Zephier, 36 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1786, new On stocks, 36 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, 1788 at Amsterdam Brunswyk, 36 guns, admiralty of Zealand, 1761, lying at Flushing Wilhelmina, 26 guns, admiralty of Zealand, 1788 on stocks at Flushing Medemblik, 36 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, 1779 in service Jager, 36 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, 1786 built, lying at Hoorn, new Eensgezindheid, 36 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1779, lying at Harlingen Orange Zaal, 20 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1751, in the Dutch East Indies Arend, 20 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1768 Scipio, 20 guns, admiralty of the Maze, built 1781, in the Dutch East Indies Venus, 24 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1768, lying at Amsterdam, good condition Waakzaamheid, 24 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1769, lying in the Noorderdiep, good condition Valk, 24 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 17670, in the Dutch East Indies Alarm, 24 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1774, lying at Amsterdam, good condition Dolphyn, 24 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 17674, in the Mediterranean Zeepaart, 24 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 17680, in the Mediterranean Thetis, 24 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1785, in the Dutch West Indies Walcheren, 24 guns, admiralty of Zealand, built at Flushing 1787, in good condition Minerva, 24 guns, admiralty of Zealand, on stocks at Veere 1788 Hoorn, 24 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1779, in the Dutch East Indies Enkhuyzen, 24 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, built 1779 On stocks, 24 guns, admiralty of the Noorderkwartier, 1787 on stocks at Enkhuizen Sirene, 24 guns, admiralty of Friesland, built 1787, lying at Harlingen, new cutter Brak, 18 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1781 Sperwer, 20 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1782 Weesp, 20 guns admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 Phanter, 20 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 brigantine Beschutter, 20 guns admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 brigantine Leeuw, 20 guns admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 brigantine Beschermer, 14 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 brigantine Kemphaan, 12 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 hooker Raaf, 12 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 hooker Maasnimph, 12 guns admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 hooker Zeehond, 12 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 hooker Looper, 12 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 hooker Vigilantie, 12 guns, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1784 advice yacht Posteljon, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1782 bomschuyt Schiltpat, admiralty of the Maze, bought 1787 snow Zwaluw, 12 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1772, lying at Amsterdam, good condition frigate Havik, 18 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1783, lying at Amsterdam, good condition frigate Lynx, 12 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1782, in the Dutch East Indies cutter Mercuur, 16 guns, admiralty of Maze, built 1781, lying at Amsterdam, in good condition brig Pyl, 16 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, built 1785, in the Dutch East Indies Rheebok, 20 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, bought 1783, lying at Amsterdam, useless brig Vliegende Vis, 20 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, bought 1783, lying at Amsterdam, useless bark Post, 20 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, bought 1783, in service cutter Salmander, 18 guns, admiralty of Amsterdam, bought 1783, lying at Amsterdam, in good condition De twee scheepjes, admiralty of Amsterdam, Lying at Amsterdam, built or bought 1788? 2 gunboats, admiralty of Amsterdam, bought 1785, lying at Amsterdam, good condition 2 luggers, admiralty of Amsterdam brig Meermin, 16 guns, admiralty of Zealand, bought 1784, lying at Flushing schooner Dolphyn, 10 guns, admiralty of Zealand, built 1781, lying at Flushing cutter Zee Meuw, 8 guns, admiralty of Zealand, built 1781 Galathe, 16 guns, admiralty of Zealand Flora, 10 guns, admiralty of Zealand Diana, 10 guns, admiralty of Zealand Expeditie, 20 guns, admiralty of Noorderkwartier, bought 1781 cutter Snelheid, 12 guns, admiralty of Friesland, lying at Harlingen To get back on the refitting topic, here is a ship plan from an 80 version: The plan above is the Wreker. Before the refit of the Chatham, a wooden model was made: These ships would sail around with 36-pounders on their main gun deck, 30-pounders on her upper gun deck and 12-pounders on the forecastle and quarterdeck. To illustrate the refitted version: The plan above is the De Ruyter (1806). The refit keep the 12-pounders and add 36-pounder carronades to it. Some sources mention the upper gundeck changing from 30 to 24, some continue on 30. It seems like they utilized the gangways to create a flush semi-open top deck, completely stacked with carronades. And i think that were all your questions IIRC. I have some ultrahigh-res plans of the Chatham, sadly due to copyright i don't think i can share them here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Fishy Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Thank you very much for your extensive reply, you went above and beyond what I was expecting. Thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 You know what? Ill go ahead and make an collective post about her and her class 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Chaos Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Speaking about a bombard corvette, i found this the other day, it might give things a different insight. https://sketchfab.com/models/0264b16712cc436e94a0d431bd1d87bf To add to the list: Similar hull lines as the 1808 Lynx & Venus, but different internals, the 1820's proserpina: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 0-guns, Petronnella, 1781 (Bootschip) http://prnt.sc/dboa1q 0-gun, Unkown, 1700 (Herringbuys) http://prnt.sc/dbobbs 0-gun, Unknown, 1778 (Bootschip) http://prnt.sc/dboelp 4-gun, Unkown, roughly 1750 (Pinas) http://prnt.sc/dbofn0 Edited November 26, 2016 by pietjenoob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) i will post a few more ship plans later, some including rigging mostly traders/fishing ships Edited November 25, 2016 by pietjenoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) Part 2 0-gun, De Draak, 1765 (Snauwschip) http://prnt.sc/dc44ms 0-gun, Unknown, 1782 (Logger) http://prnt.sc/dc43lz 2 ships, 14- gun, Unkown, 1768 (Pinkschip http://prnt.sc/dc46gk 6-gun, Unkown, between 1785-1799 (Pakketboot) http://prnt.sc/dc4b26 18/20-gun, Meermin, 1759 (Hoekerschip) http://prnt.sc/dc4fxa 26-gun, Unkown, 1768 (Hekboot or Hagboat) http://prnt.sc/dc4h3n 30-gun, Unkown, 1768 (Hekboot or Hagboat) http://prnt.sc/dc4hd7 Edited November 26, 2016 by pietjenoob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 so.. anyone guessing right on this vessel? https://skfb.ly/XGMY I can tell so much: she is a dutch corvet/ sloop of war, armed with 20 guns and you can find her on the rijksmuseum homepage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 2 hours ago, BungeeLemming said: so.. anyone guessing right on this vessel? https://skfb.ly/XGMY I can tell so much: she is a dutch corvet/ sloop of war, armed with 20 guns and you can find her on the rijksmuseum homepage I'm guessing either the Venus or Lynx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Aye, the Venus. A lovely little vessel. Fully rigged - competetor to the rattlesnake which is our only corvet ingame. I hope to give her a chance in the next ship poll that might come out sometime in the future. Modeling wise I am about done. There needs to be optimization and the quarterdeck appears empty. But other than that she is finished - finally 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haratik Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I really like the design of that 90 gun model Steel, wonder what it would look like ingame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 sooo.. I had a nice chat with Steel and figured - why not see how the few dutch vessels I modeled compare to each other. What better way than scaling them correctly (approx) and merging them into one Blender project. And voila. Here you go: Can you guess all of these vessels' names? (aye I know that unfinishes vessel is a hard hard guess) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pietjenoob Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 4 hours ago, BungeeLemming said: sooo.. I had a nice chat with Steel and figured - why not see how the few dutch vessels I modeled compare to each other. What better way than scaling them correctly (approx) and merging them into one Blender project. And voila. Here you go: Hide contents Can you guess all of these vessels' names? (aye I know that unfinishes vessel is a hard hard guess) Taking the top picture from left to right the most left ship is the Admiraal de Ruyter SoL ( after refit, 90 guns, 1806) then we have the most famous Dutch ship the 7 Provinciën SoL (82 guns, 1665), can't tell because of the position of the ship and lack of features, the Venus ( 20 guns, 1806) and as last i don't remember that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, pietjenoob said: Taking the top picture from left to right the most left ship is the Admiraal de Ruyter SoL ( after refit, 90 guns, 1806) then we have the most famous Dutch ship the 7 Provinciën SoL (82 guns, 1665), can't tell because of the position of the ship and lack of features, the Venus ( 20 guns, 1806) and as last i don't remember that one The only plans that I can find with 11 gun ports per side is the bombard corvette posted above. (Though I did cheat by looking at the ships modeled by Naval Dilettant) Edit: That would also mean the otherwise unidentifiable model would be his 44 gunner, making it the Beschermer. Edited January 13, 2017 by Zeekoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 What if i were to.tell you that the unidentified one isnt the beschermer? Maybe bungee will be so kind to give you a more elaborate tease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ahwell the foremost gunports are bridle ports. no space to put any cannons there. So she is a 20 gun bombard vessel. So yeah she is the very model you can find on my sketchfab account. She is dated 1818 - more info wont come from my side. The resolution is not expecially good but you may be able to count the guns sticking out of the other corvet. The unidetified vessel is not a two decked vessel. However she does have two thick wales running her whole length. A method you could use to estimate ship lengths: The way I scaled the models alongside each other is to use the blender units (the squares you see) and scale them to a known vessel. That way you could estimate dimensions But dont take them for granted. They are rather rough estimates to begin with. (I couldnt be arsed to be precise :P). What I find very interesting is that you can see all of the vessels' draught. How deep they lay in the water. (frontview). I now added the hullmodel I made from the constitution on the right. (I cannot repeat enough - these dimensions are not on spot!) you can find the 44 gun SoL on my sketchfab. But she is not in that little tease shoot I gave you above. And I am not convinced on her. I wanted the dutch hector - my plan is a british vessel with different lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Ok, my calculations give the mysterious ship roughly a 17 ft draught, with a length of around 160 ft. This coupled with the new information that isn't a two decked vessel make me guess that it's either the Amphirite or Eendracht (both 40 gun frigates). Edit: Of course it could also be the 44 gun Phoenix if you found it's plans. Edited January 13, 2017 by Zeekoning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Well. I gave it some time but nobody jumped on your suggestions. Your estimations are about 15% off. Nobody to blame here since I didnt scale the vessels with 100% accuracy. Now here are news on that vessel. Nope. No name. But I did have too much spare time lately: https://skfb.ly/YXMH enjoy and let the speculations continue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Going off of the new evidence, the closest ship I can find is the Prinses Fredrika Louise Wilhemina; though if it is, the plans don't match another view of the stern that I found here (The plans have five windows, the drawing has seven). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/NG-MC-308/catalogue-entry this is your suggestion. See if it matches. take a close look at the hullshape. Does the model have a visual "stair" in the hullshape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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