akd Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 That's ok. Some of the Chapman designs in the game currently never actually existed. There is no prior requirement that a ship has actually been built to potentially be included. Need to be careful here, as although Chapman produced very good designs, there were other paper plans that failed on paper (were flawed, not practical, etc.). I don't think you do a nation service (capture the character of its navy) by choosing to model designs that never existed, and maybe never could of existed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Have you seen that ? Lovely colored plan. Just a marginal issue : is she swedish or Russian ? Or swedish then captured by the Russain ? Or the reverse ? Or are they duplicates ? Venus Swedish 44-gun frigate (1783) Note: this coloured plan might not be Venus, despite saying so. Plans from RMG. There are also plans from the russian and swedish archives, almost identical. sistership "Camilla" More info: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/5620-venus-bellona-class-frigate-by-chapman/?hl=venus Edited October 22, 2015 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sella Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=7976 that might be her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) The NMM plan shows the 'real' Venus. It´s swedish, got captured by the russians then sold to Sicily. The coloured plan is dated 1789 and signed by Chapman´s brother and is just 'a' Venus. It has a slightly different hull shape, is longer (160 swedish feet vs 156) and is pierced for 28 guns (Bellona-class 26) Edited October 22, 2015 by Malachi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Alex Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Ratvizan Swedish, date ? (designed by Frederick af Chapman) 62-gun Third Rate, two-decker Captured by the Russian in 1790 Came over in Britain as part of the Russian squadron to support Britain's blockade of France. Plan by the British in 1796 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81290.html This is the ship "Venus" captured. http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10984 ”Wasa” class ship of the line, another Chapman's incredible design, greatly appreciated by the Russians. She had a rich military career, fought in many battles, including the Battle of Athos. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athos ) Edited October 22, 2015 by Mighty_Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 dat swedish frigate is damm sexy! got my vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furyGer Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 My too, sure... Hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodgi Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 "Rättvisan" Best... name... ever! (Justice. But it sounds so cool in Swedish. When I read it, I read it with Jokke's voice and manner.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) "Rättvisan" Best... name... ever! (Justice. But it sounds so cool in Swedish. When I read it, I read it with Jokke's voice and manner.) One cool thread would be that of a multilingual translation of all-around the world ship names (excel-like) !!! Edited October 22, 2015 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagram Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 @ LeBoiteux Thanks for posting the Austro-Hungarian frigates. Actually, the first and third pictures are from Robert L. Dauber, Die Marine des Johanniter-Malteser-Ritter-Ordens. 500 Jahre Seekrieg zur Verteidigung Europas, Graz 1989, p.261. I've not seen Körner's monograph myself but I assume that those illustrations have been included (the third one has been included for sure as can be gleaned from the book cover...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodgi Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 hehe Rhett-vee-sahn The Swedes have this great way of making the "R" sound. Like the Spanish (and Norwegians... hey!) they roll the sound off at the tip of their tongue just behind their top front teeth. Only slower, slurrier and more deliberate that Spanish (and Norwegian). It truly is something. Listen to Joakim sing "regnen" (the rains) at 0:38: Fun fact: (some) Young people in Germany take Swedish in University with the main motivation of being able to read Kent lyrics in the original language. I have it on good authority from people in academia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Does anyone know her building date ? Do you think she's within timeframe ? It seems to be...Any other information about her ? Aurora Dutch 5th Rate - 32-guns Hard to find info about this one. Maybe others find more info? Feel free to add in replies! Source: http://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=100099267Image: http://mmr.adlibhosting.com/madigopacx/wwwopac.ashx?command=getcontent&server=Maritime&value=T%2FT2336.jpg Source: http://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=100099225Image: http://mmr.adlibhosting.com/madigopacx/wwwopac.ashx?command=getcontent&server=Maritime&value=T%2FT2297.jpg Edited October 23, 2015 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Does anyone know her building date ? Do you think she's within timeframe ? It seems to be... Any other information about her ? Aurora Dutch 5th Rate - 32-guns Where to start, It is mentioned in what year she was build on her plans. 'Gebouwdt in Vlissingen 1804' (gotta love the old dutch ), which translates to 'Build in Vlissingen in 1804'. Onto her history is where it gets somewhat hard to retrace her steps. Frankly i don't have the time atm, so ill do the brief version. What is recorded that she was build by P. Schuijt Jr and was sold in 1818. A few years into her service she would be drydocked and renamed 'Vriesland'. The exact date of this i am note sure of. What i can tell you, and show you, is the drawings of the Vriesland, which should show an exact image. This is the Vriesland as archived in the Dutch National Archives. (It even has the aurora mark on the bottom ) Link: http://i.imgur.com/XR50ev7.jpg With that said, there is already a topic about her somewhere in the shipyard section, yet she has not been posted in the player proposal thread. EDIT: There is also a ship called 'Dageraat', build in 1808. She also would later be drydocked and renamed Aurora. She would remain in survice until 1824. She was build on the same design, here are some images. When you want to know more, just give a shout Edited October 23, 2015 by SteelSandwich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Where to start, It is mentioned in what year she was build on her plans. 'Gebouwdt in Vlissingen 1804' (gotta love the old dutch ), which translates to 'Build in Vlissingen in 1804'. Onto her history is where it gets somewhat hard to retrace her steps. Frankly i don't have the time atm, so ill do the brief version. What is recorded that she was build by P. Schuijt Jr and was sold in 1818. A few years into her service she would be drydocked and renamed 'Vriesland'. The exact date of this i am note sure of. What i can tell you, and show you, is the drawings of the Vriesland, which should show an exact image. This is the Vriesland as archived in the Dutch National Archives. (It even has the aurora mark on the bottom ) Link: http://i.imgur.com/XR50ev7.jpg With that said, there is already a topic about her somewhere in the shipyard section, yet she has not been posted in the player proposal thread. +1. Thx for the information. She has to be added to the player proposal thread !!!! That said, there are 2 threads about her : http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7089-aurora/?hl=aurora http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/2811-dutch-32-gun-frigate-aurora/page-1#entry56747 And I've only seen the wrong empty one, the second one... otherwise I wouldn't ask. Edited October 23, 2015 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I've put in some additional information in my post, might be interesting for you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I've put in some additional information in my post, might be interesting for you Wagram wrote : Demerliac, Nomenclature des navires français de 1800-1815, p.99, N°724, offers the following information on the Dageraad [sic]: Frigate, plans by P. Glavimans, laid down May 1807, Amsterdam-Schuyt, launched June 1808, finished 1809; drydocked 1809 (Amsterdam, till October 1811, a plan signed P. Glavimans kept at SHM, Paris 8DD1.8,n°10); renamed Aurora 1809; annexed by the French July 1810 and renamed Aurore; taken by the Dutch 4 May 1814 and renamed Dageraad [sic]; broken up in 1824. Deadweight: c. 600 tons Displacement: c. 1150 tons Length: 42,41m (keel: 39,63) Width: 11,69m Depth: 4,41m Draught: 4,87/5,25m Crew: 13 officers + 230/323 men Armament: 36 guns: 28 xviii, 8 carronades xxiv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) I know that the british ships are discouraged, but for the sake of having more smaller ships like sloops(cutters. I think its worth posting anyway. 8 gun Sharke. This used to be one of my favorite ships in POTBS. More pictures at: http://www.modelships.de/Kutter_Sharke/Photos-Cutter-Sharke.htm Mediator (1745) British example... I am sure one can find plans from other countries... For small ships, see http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7326-small-ships-and-the-new-player-experience/?hl=small+ships http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/86159.html Edited October 23, 2015 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Some information about that nice 26-gun Corvette found on the Maritiem Rotterdam Museum website ? Dutch ? Date ? I've searched NA forums, haven't found anything... Corvetten van oorlog (War Corvet) : 'Zeepaard', 'Galathe', 'Dolfyn', 'Lynx' en 'Triton' http://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=100172130 http://mmr.adlibhosting.com/madigopacx/wwwopac.ashx?command=getcontent&server=Maritime&value=T%2FT2342%2Ejpg&height=1600&width=1600 Edited October 23, 2015 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Some information about that nice 26-gun Corvette found on the Maritiem Rotterdam Museum website ? Dutch ? Date ? I've searched NA forums, haven't found anything... Corvetten van oorlog (War Corvet) : 'Zeepaard', 'Galathe', 'Dolfyn', 'Lynx' en 'Triton' http://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=100172130 http://mmr.adlibhosting.com/madigopacx/wwwopac.ashx?command=getcontent&server=Maritime&value=T%2FT2342%2Ejpg&height=1600&width=1600 a ship series from 1820 onward. I came across her, seemed to be too close to the end of frame to be included. Edited October 23, 2015 by SteelSandwich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 XVIII-th century Venetian ship plans http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/ricercaMag.jsp?searchType=avanzato&q=&opCha__creator=AND&channel__creator=&opCha__title=AND&channel__title=&opCha__contributor=AND&channel__contributor=&opCha__issuedYear=AND&channel__issuedYear_from=&channel__issuedYear_until=&opCha__publisher=AND&channel__publisher=&opCha__subject=AND&channel__subject=&opCha__language=AND+OR&opCha__typeTipo=AND+OR&opCha__typeLivello=AND&channel__typeLivello=&opCha__typeDigitale=AND+OR&opCha__location=AND&channel__location=&opCha__collectionText=AND&channel__collectionText=Disegni+navali&opCha__agency=AND+OR&opCha__descSourceLevel2=AND+OR&imageField2.x=11&imageField2.y=6 http://nuke.gmtmodellismo.it/ILIBRI/NAVISTORIAEMODELLISMO/VASCELLIEFREGATEDELLASERENISSIMA/tabid/369/Default.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatoucheTréville Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Awesome ships, great work to search Leboiteux. Thx Edited October 24, 2015 by LatoucheTréville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 San Michele [Arcangelo] (?) (St. Michael the Archangel) Venetian 40 to 56-gun frigate 1749 - 1774 http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html Armament : 40-gun version : 20 x 30 lbs + 20 x 14 lbs (deck) Converted 56-gun version : 24 x 30 lbs (battery) + 24 x 14 lbs (deck) et 8 x 12 lbs (forecastle). Sisterships of the San Michele Ship-class : San Michel Archangelo (1749-1774) Giglio d'Oro (1749-1769) Concordia (1767-1793) Used in combat, coast patrolling and spare mast transport to levantine bases. Source : http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm Thanks Wagram for your help ! Moderators only ship please 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Moderators only ship please No way !!! Isn't she beautiful ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 No way !!! Isn't she beautiful ? Gorgeous ship. I'd kill to have one in the harbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Spanish MONTAÑES S.O.L 74 canons I have the whole information about this ship, plans above are not from a model, but from the original drawings from D. Julian Martin de Retamosa the naval architect who built her. What about that ? Source : http://files.balancer.ru/forums/attaches/c4/15/c415056c35776ff09a67694804f05965.jpg Edited October 24, 2015 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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