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San Michele Arcangelo (?)

(St. Michael the Archangel)

Venetian

40 to 56-gun 2-deck frigate

1749 - 1774

 

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General characteristics (1 Venetian piede = 0,3 meter = 12 inches)

Length (piedi) : 128,85

Keel (piedi) : 110

Beam (piedi) : 35

Draft (piedi) : 16,5

Height keel to upper deck (piedi) : 27,50

 

Armament (1 Venetian lb =  488 grams) :

Fregate Grossa version (40-gun) : 20 x 30 lbs + 20 x 14 lbs (deck)

Could be easily modified in a Venetian "2-rate" (56-gun) : 24 x 30 lbs (battery) + 24 x 14 lbs (deck) et 8 x 12 lbs (quarterdeck).

 

Sisterships of the San Michele Ship-class :

San Michel Archangelo (1749-1774)

Giglio d'Oro (1749-1769)

Concordia (1767-1793)

 

 

Used in combat, coast patrolling and spare mast transport to levantine bases.

 

Source :

http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm

http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916144/Venetian%20Large%20Frigates

http://koti.mbnet.fi/felipe/html/ships_1667-1797.html

 

Thanks, Wagram and LatoucheTréville, for your help !

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Unnamed

 Venetian, 1757

Light cargo 8-gun Frigate ("Fregatone")

 

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http://www.internetculturale.it/jmms/iccuviewer/iccu.jsp?id=oai%3Awww.internetculturale.sbn.it%2FTeca%3A20%3ANT0000%3AIT-PD0158-SCAFF_II_A_34_68&mode=all&teca=MagTeca+-+ICCU

 

Fregatone is a light venetian cargo frigate, used in the Adriatic Sea.

 

Thanks Wagram for your help !

On Sella22' s express request :).

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Mirny

(MирныйPeaceful)

Russian exploration 20-gun Sloop-of-war

Formerly named Ladoga, then refitted for exploration purposes and renamed 

1819, 530 t.

 

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The Vostok and Mirny in Antartica

Length : 36.6 m (120.1 ft)
Beam : 9.15 m (30.0 ft)
Depth of hold : 4.6 m (15.1 ft)
Armament : 6 × 120 mm (carronade) + 14 × 76 mm


 

Her voyage

With the Vostok (see http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7306-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/?p=139853), she took part of the second Russian circumnavigation of the globe (1819-1821), led by Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen, which discovered the land of Antartica in 1820.
 

Plan

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Source : https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1xK8yroHPifU0FLdm42RFBJb2M&usp=sharing&tid=0B1xK8yroHPifWTBoTXRidGQ3RDg

 

More plans (rigging...)

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1xK8yroHPifU0FLdm42RFBJb2M&usp=sharing&tid=0B1xK8yroHPifWTBoTXRidGQ3RDg

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3575-russian-navy-azov-74-vostok-24-mercury-20-poltava-5-goto-predestinatsia-58-mirny-20-three-hierarchs-66/page-1#entry70007

 

Sources

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Gottlieb_von_Bellingshausen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirny_(sloop-of-war)

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Spanish Galleon 1731 (merchant vessel)

22 guns x 18 lbs, 22 x 14 lbs, 6 x 10 lbs

Crew: 460

http://www.cuervas-mons.com/images/GaleriaNSPilar/index.htm

The Santa Ana´s twin Principe de Asturias

 

Etc.

Mr Cavero, is it a running gag ?  :) 

 

We need plans, not just pictures. Thanks.

Here are some Spanish plans as a starting place to search :

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79892.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81587.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81320.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81094.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81740.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79891.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79833.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80832.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81586.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80554.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81115.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81104.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80545.html 

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80957.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80958.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81127.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80547.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80454.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79962.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79963.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79961.html

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San Giovanni

("St. john")

Maltese 64-gun 3rd Rate, 1796

 

(Contribution by Wagram - Thank you !)

 

Captured by the French at the surrender of Malta (1798) and renamed Athénien or L'Athénienne.

Renamed HMS Athenian by the British in 1801.

Wrecked in 1806..

 

Dimensions & tons: 163'3", 132' x 44'9" x 19'8". 1411 89/94.

Men : 491.

Guns : GD 26 x 20, UD 26 x 18, QD 2 x 9 + 8 x 24 * [carronades], FC 2 x 9 + 4 x 24* [carronades].

 

Athenian, ex-Athénien, ex-San Giovanni, 64, launched 1798 or 1799, as taken, NMM (1).jpeg
 

Athenian, ex-Athénien, ex-San Giovanni, 64, launched 1798 or 1799, as taken, NMM (2).jpeg
 

Comments (in french)

Le plan ("taken off") du vaisseau HMS Athenian, ex-Athénien (selon Demerliac) ou L'Athénienne (selon Lyon) français, ex-Saint Jean ou San Giovanni maltais (Lyon, Sailing Navy Ship List, p.240)

 
Commentaire de Lyon:
Athenian 1800-1806 (French L'Athénienne taken 1798 from the Knights of St. John at Malta as Saint Jean/San Giovanni [70] building 1796. Malta) 64.
Dimensions & tons: 163'3", 132' x 44'9" x 19'8". 1411 89/94.
Men: 491. Guns: GD 26 x 20, UD 26 x 18, QD 2 x 9 + 8 x 24 * [carronades], FC 2 x 9 + 4 x 24* [carronades]. Taken at the surrender of Malta; 27.10.1806 wrecked off Sicily.
 
L'armement paraît être celui des Anglais. Selon Demerliac, Nomenclature 1792-1800, p.64, N°338, le vaisseau fut pris sur cale et lancé en décembre 1799 seulement: port: 1200 tx, déplacement en charge: environ 2300 tx. Longueur: 156 (quille: 140) x 42 x 20'2" et 19'6"/20'6". Off. + 600 hommes. Armement 64/70 canons: 26 xx, 26/28 xii?, 12/16 petit calibre

 

 

Other sources : http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=15025 gives 1789 as building date.

 

 

Unknown

Third rate ship-of-the-line (Mid 18th century).

A contemporary model of a vessel of the order of St. John

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Third_rate_ship-of-the-line_20100306-2.JPG

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A quick reminder about the requirements for ship nomination posts:

  • 1 ship per post
  • only submit ships for which building plans are available
  • any additional views (models, paintings, photographs?, etc) are a definite plus.

Other than that:

if you have any other ships you would like to nominate, now is the time! Because my guess is that the Player ship selection 1st Half 2016 nomination round is going to close sooner rather than later. The next step will be the first round of voting.

 

~Brigand

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24*18-pounders

12*6-pounders

 

Length p/p:  137' (danish feet)

breadth    :    36' 6'

 

Danish frigate project by F. Krabbe, dated 1770, not built. 

Like Chapman´s big privateers (ANM, plate XXXI, XXXIII), it features an unusually heavy armarment for it´s time (France and England started building the first heavy frigates in the late 1770s/early 1780s). Another interesting particularity is the presence of a flush deck.

 

As with all of Krabbe´s designs, the hull shape shows a substantial french influence.

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26*18-pounders

10*6-pounders

 

Length p/p:   138' 6' (danish feet)

Breadth:         36' 8'

 

Danish 18-pounder frigate concept, this time by R. Phil, dated 1808, not built.

 

Like Hohlenberg´s ships, it has a very narrow stern and a V-shaped hull, not a very common feature for frigates until the 1820s (besides Forfait´s ships and it´s french and british derivates)

The text says it´s been designed with the 'nye arimetisk Constructions Methode', which I assume is Chapman´s parabola method.

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