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Hi (yes, I'm still lurking around ;) and I couldn't resist adding the same suggestion once again),

I would like this game to include a large choice in smaller ships, the true workhorses of the seas. We need some vessels closing the gap between the 12-gun Pickle and the 18-gun Brig, not just in terms of number of guns, but also in terms of design and type of rig.

More specifically, I would(still) love to see a nice brigantine; typically a bit smaller than a brig, but larger than a schooner. Brigantines where known for their versatility and good sailing characteristics, being able to sail very close to the wind (almost as close as a schooner).

So, my nomination for the Player ship selection 1st Half 2016 listing (some of you will remember this one) is:

The brigantine Vilaine (1740)

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(figure 1: schematic view)

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(figure 2: draught)

This brigantine was build as a packet boat in Lorient (France) and later converted to serve as a privateer (possibly in the same year). As a privateer she was armed with twelve French 6-pounders cannons and two Perriers à boîte (long barrelled, breach loading swivel guns). She was captured by the English and later sold to Sweden  (1947?). I believe the main topsail as show in the schematics is the Swedish rather than the French preference (I like the looks of the square sale better); the French seem to have instead typically rigged their brigantines with a lug sail on the the main top.

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(figure 3: detailed side view)

The schematic views shown here are drawn by me. I've been researching this particular vessel for quite some time now and I've slowly been working my way to a complete set of building plans. The sources are many, but I believe it is accurate for the period. The main sources for the hull lines are the droughts for several brigantines commissioned about the same time as the Vilaine (Dauphin, Lys and Marie Madeleine) on the west coast of France. The hull lines of those vessels match near enough.

The finer details on the sail plan, including mast and sail dimensions, running rigging is mostly from ship models in musea, that survive from those days. I've cross referenced those with the rougher details on paintings and schematics drawings in books. The image I've posted here shows (nearly) all the rigging used on a brigantine; more detailed rigging schematics (pdf).

Cheers,
Brigand

P.S.
Yes, I will update the table in List of ships and other vessels in the game, I'll try to create some time to work the new info into it.

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Vostok

(Восто́к, The East)

Russian exploration 24-gun Sloop-of-war

1818, 600 G.T.

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Her voyage

With the 20-gun sloop-of-war Mirny (1819), she took part of the second Russian circumnavigation of the globe (1819-1821) led by Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen, which discovered the land of Antartica in 1820.
 

Plan

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Source : https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1xK8yroHPifMlVYck05ejFUVDQ&usp=sharing&tid=0B1xK8yroHPifWTBoTXRidGQ3RDg

 

More plans

http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3575-russian-navy-azov-74-vostok-24-mercury-20-poltava-5-goto-predestinatsia-58-mirny-20-three-hierarchs-66/page-1#entry70007

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1xK8yroHPifMlVYck05ejFUVDQ&usp=sharing&tid=0B1xK8yroHPifWTBoTXRidGQ3RDg

 

Sources

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Gottlieb_von_Bellingshausen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirny_(sloop-of-war)

 

Thanks Mighty_Alex for your contribution !!!

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Princesa Real

Portuguese

(1819)

 

Captured during the Battle of Cape St Vincent (Portuguese Civil War) and renamed Duquesa de Braganza in 1833. 

Plan made by the British in 1834

 

50-gun Fourth Rate, large Frigate

 

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http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81579.html

 

Source : http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=21568

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Nau "Rainha de Portugal"

(Alternative spelling : Rainho de Portugal)

 

Portuguese

(1791)

80 guns - 3rd Rate 

 

Was built in 1791 in Navy's shipyard in Lisbon by Torcato José Clavina.

Saw militar service until ~1834, after that was served as hospital ship until ~1848.

She helped the royal british navy (Admiral Jonh Jervis and Admiral Horatio Nelson) against france in the napoleonic war aswell as transporting the royal Portuguese family to Brazil in 1808.

 

Armament:

Lower Gun Deck, 30 cannons (36lbs)

Upper Gun Deck, 32 cannons (24lbs)

Quarted Deck, 18 cannons (12lbs)

 

Dimensions:

Lenght 55.27 m

Beam 14.48 m

Depth of hold 10.36 m

Displacement 3000 tons

~669 men (couldn't find the exact number of sailors and soldiers )

 

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http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81035.html

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La Diligente

French Tartane 

 Fishing ship and coastal trading vessel

(4 guns, 1738)

 

"The Diligente had a fascinating career due to the variety of her missions:

large and small coastal trading, races, transportation of personnel or official dispatches, and the protection of convoys."

 

 

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Monograph with pics and plans : http://ancre.fr/en/monographies-en/19-monographie-de-la-diligente-tartane-du-roi-1738.html

 

PS : Her place may not be in this thread (as she is french), but rather in http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7326-small-ships-and-the-new-player-experience/

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Swedish Frigate Hemmema (Swedish) or Hämeenmaa in Finnish. Armament: 18 12 pdr cannons and 4 three pd cannons. Also equipped whit 16 swivels for the smaller version of the frigate, the larger Frigate did have: 24, 36 pdr cannons, and two 12 pdrs. Thats some serious firepower.

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Venus

Swedish 44-gun frigate (1783)

Designed by Frederik Henrik af Chapman. First frigate to have 24-pounders.

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Note: this coloured plan might not be Venus, despite saying so.

 

6G8P9Mv.jpgPlans from RMG. There are also plans from the russian and swedish archives, almost identical.

 

9jFjENx.jpgsistership "Camilla"

 

More info: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/5620-venus-bellona-class-frigate-by-chapman/?hl=venus

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Rättvisan

("Justice")

Swedish, 1783 

(designed by Frederick af Chapman)

Wasa-Class, 62-gun Third Rate, two-decker

 

Captured by the Russian in 1790.

Came over in Britain as part of the Russian squadron to support Britain's blockade of France. Plan by the British in 1796

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http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81290.html

 

Source : 

http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10984

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athos

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Aurora

(and her sistership Stella Mattutina)

Austro-Hungarian

1765-1796, 26 gun-frigate

 

The Aurora was renamed Ungheria and the Stella Mattutina was renamed Bohemia.

Built in Porto Re (Kraljevica, Croatia).

 

–   Notice the swivel guns and the oars   –

 

K.K.Fregatten Aurora (Ungheria) und Stella Mattutina (Boemia), 1765-1796,3.jpg

Robert L. Dauber, Die Marine des Johanniter-Malteser-Ritter-Ordens. 500 Jahre Seekrieg zur Verteidigung Europas, Graz 1989, p.261.

 

K.K.Fregatten Aurora (Ungheria) und Stella Mattutina (Boemia), 1765-1796,2.jpg

 
K.K.Fregatten Aurora (Ungheria) und Stella Mattutina (Boemia), 1765-1796,1.jpg

Robert L. Dauber, Die Marine des Johanniter-Malteser-Ritter-Ordens. 500 Jahre Seekrieg zur Verteidigung Europas, Graz 1989, p.261.

Source : http://www.buchhandlung-stoehr.at/de/verlag/die-fregatten-maria-theresias/

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Aurora
Dutch
32-gun frigate, 145 X 40 ft, 1804

Later renamed Vriesland
 

 

 

Plans of a ship built on the same design :

See http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7327-discussion-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/?p=140545

Dageraat

1808-1824

 Renamed Aurora in 1809

Annexed by the French July 1810 and renamed Aurore.

Taken by the Dutch 4 May 1814 and renamed Dageraad [sic].

Broken up in 1824.

 

Deadweight: c. 600 tons

Displacement: c. 1150 tons

Length: 42,41m (keel: 39,63)

Width: 11,69m

Depth: 4,41m

Draught: 4,87/5,25m

Crew: 13 officers + 230/323 men

Armament: 36 guns: 28 xviii, 8 carronades xxiv

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Source, pics, drawings, further information :
http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7089-aurora/?hl=aurora
http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7327-discussion-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/?p=140545
Demerliac, Nomenclature des navires français de 1800-1815, p.99, N°724.

 

Thanks SteelSandwich and Wagram for your contribution !!!

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Demerliac, Nomenclature des navires français de 1800-1815, p.99, N°724, offers the following information on the Dageraad [sic]:

 

Frigate, plans by P. Glavimans, laid down May 1807, Amsterdam-Schuyt, launched June 1808, finished 1809; drydocked 1809 (Amsterdam, till October 1811, a plan signed P. Glavimans kept at SHM, Paris 8DD1.8,n°10); renamed Aurora 1809; annexed by the French July 1810 and renamed Aurore; taken by the Dutch 4 May 1814 and renamed Dageraad [sic]; broken up in 1824.

 

Deadweight: c. 600 tons

Displacement: c. 1150 tons

Length: 42,41m (keel: 39,63)

Width: 11,69m

Depth: 4,41m

Draught: 4,87/5,25m

Crew: 13 officers + 230/323 men

Armament: 36 guns: 28 xviii, 8 carronades xxiv

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