LeBoiteux Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Windhond Dutch corvet / small frigate 24 guns, 1736 Link: http://i.imgur.com/m9KvE5p.png Source: NL-HaNA, Marine Bouwtekeningen Schepen, 4.MST, inv.nr. 173 Edited October 18, 2015 by LeBoiteux 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Hi (yes, I'm still lurking around and I couldn't resist adding the same suggestion once again),I would like this game to include a large choice in smaller ships, the true workhorses of the seas. We need some vessels closing the gap between the 12-gun Pickle and the 18-gun Brig, not just in terms of number of guns, but also in terms of design and type of rig.More specifically, I would(still) love to see a nice brigantine; typically a bit smaller than a brig, but larger than a schooner. Brigantines where known for their versatility and good sailing characteristics, being able to sail very close to the wind (almost as close as a schooner).So, my nomination for the Player ship selection 1st Half 2016 listing (some of you will remember this one) is:The brigantine Vilaine (1740)(figure 1: schematic view)(figure 2: draught)This brigantine was build as a packet boat in Lorient (France) and later converted to serve as a privateer (possibly in the same year). As a privateer she was armed with twelve French 6-pounders cannons and two Perriers à boîte (long barrelled, breach loading swivel guns). She was captured by the English and later sold to Sweden (1947?). I believe the main topsail as show in the schematics is the Swedish rather than the French preference (I like the looks of the square sale better); the French seem to have instead typically rigged their brigantines with a lug sail on the the main top.(figure 3: detailed side view)The schematic views shown here are drawn by me. I've been researching this particular vessel for quite some time now and I've slowly been working my way to a complete set of building plans. The sources are many, but I believe it is accurate for the period. The main sources for the hull lines are the droughts for several brigantines commissioned about the same time as the Vilaine (Dauphin, Lys and Marie Madeleine) on the west coast of France. The hull lines of those vessels match near enough.The finer details on the sail plan, including mast and sail dimensions, running rigging is mostly from ship models in musea, that survive from those days. I've cross referenced those with the rougher details on paintings and schematics drawings in books. The image I've posted here shows (nearly) all the rigging used on a brigantine; more detailed rigging schematics (pdf).Cheers,BrigandP.S.Yes, I will update the table in List of ships and other vessels in the game, I'll try to create some time to work the new info into it. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Vostok (Восто́к, The East) Russian exploration 24-gun Sloop-of-war 1818, 600 G.T. Her voyage With the 20-gun sloop-of-war Mirny (1819), she took part of the second Russian circumnavigation of the globe (1819-1821) led by Fabian Gottlieb von Bellingshausen, which discovered the land of Antartica in 1820. Plan Source : https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1xK8yroHPifMlVYck05ejFUVDQ&usp=sharing&tid=0B1xK8yroHPifWTBoTXRidGQ3RDg More plans http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3575-russian-navy-azov-74-vostok-24-mercury-20-poltava-5-goto-predestinatsia-58-mirny-20-three-hierarchs-66/page-1#entry70007 https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1xK8yroHPifMlVYck05ejFUVDQ&usp=sharing&tid=0B1xK8yroHPifWTBoTXRidGQ3RDg Sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Gottlieb_von_Bellingshausen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirny_(sloop-of-war) Thanks Mighty_Alex for your contribution !!! Edited October 25, 2015 by LeBoiteux 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) No Name Dutch, ca. 1750, 22 guns Gundeck 22 dutch 6-pounder Edited October 19, 2015 by LeBoiteux 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackham the Red Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Swedish Merchant vessel East Indiaman Götherborg 1738. Armament: 30 long guns. http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/37103494.jpg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Spanish Frigate 22 Canons Wood model: http://www.modelismonaval.com/magazine/barcelona2008/antonibarata.html 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Dutch - Zeeduyvel - 1800 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Unnamed Portuguese no date (2nd half of the XVIIIth-century ?) date of the english plan : ca. February 1811 182 ft 74-gun Third Rate two decker http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81037.html Edited October 21, 2015 by LeBoiteux 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Princesa Real Portuguese (1819) Captured during the Battle of Cape St Vincent (Portuguese Civil War) and renamed Duquesa de Braganza in 1833. Plan made by the British in 1834 50-gun Fourth Rate, large Frigate http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81579.html Source : http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=21568 Edited October 25, 2015 by LeBoiteux 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Nau "Rainha de Portugal" (Alternative spelling : Rainho de Portugal) Portuguese (1791) 80 guns - 3rd Rate Was built in 1791 in Navy's shipyard in Lisbon by Torcato José Clavina. Saw militar service until ~1834, after that was served as hospital ship until ~1848. She helped the royal british navy (Admiral Jonh Jervis and Admiral Horatio Nelson) against france in the napoleonic war aswell as transporting the royal Portuguese family to Brazil in 1808. Armament: Lower Gun Deck, 30 cannons (36lbs) Upper Gun Deck, 32 cannons (24lbs) Quarted Deck, 18 cannons (12lbs) Dimensions: Lenght 55.27 m Beam 14.48 m Depth of hold 10.36 m Displacement 3000 tons ~669 men (couldn't find the exact number of sailors and soldiers ) http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81035.html Edited October 23, 2015 by LeBoiteux 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Tartane " La Diligente" http://www.modelismonaval.com/magazine/barcelona2008/elemaillet.html 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) La Diligente French Tartane Fishing ship and coastal trading vessel (4 guns, 1738) "The Diligente had a fascinating career due to the variety of her missions: large and small coastal trading, races, transportation of personnel or official dispatches, and the protection of convoys." http://www.modelismonaval.com/magazine/barcelona2008/elemaillet.html http://ancre.fr/157-thickbox_default/monographie-de-la-diligente-tartane-du-roi-1738.jpg Monograph with pics and plans : http://ancre.fr/en/monographies-en/19-monographie-de-la-diligente-tartane-du-roi-1738.html PS : Her place may not be in this thread (as she is french), but rather in : http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7326-small-ships-and-the-new-player-experience/ Edited October 22, 2015 by LeBoiteux 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackham the Red Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Swedish Frigate Hemmema (Swedish) or Hämeenmaa in Finnish. Armament: 18 12 pdr cannons and 4 three pd cannons. Also equipped whit 16 swivels for the smaller version of the frigate, the larger Frigate did have: 24, 36 pdr cannons, and two 12 pdrs. Thats some serious firepower. Edited October 21, 2015 by TheSimpleGamer 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Unnamed Spanish 54-gun two-decker (no date) (Proposed ?) plan made in 1812. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79965.html Edited October 21, 2015 by LeBoiteux 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Unnamed Spanish 50-gun frigate (1797) (Proposed plan) http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79966.html Edited October 21, 2015 by LeBoiteux 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Amfitrite Spanish, 1796 38-gun Frigate Captured by the British in 1804, renamed Blanche in 1805 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/383991.html https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/HMS_Blanche_wrecked.jpg Sources : http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=3044 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Amfitrite_(1804) Edited October 21, 2015 by LeBoiteux 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Conquestador Spanish, 1755 60-gun 4th-Rate Captured by the British in 1762 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81590.html Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ship_Conquestador_(1755) Edited October 21, 2015 by LeBoiteux 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeekoning Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Dutch - 44 gun Javaan - 1826 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Alex Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Venus Swedish 44-gun frigate (1783) Designed by Frederik Henrik af Chapman. First frigate to have 24-pounders. Note: this coloured plan might not be Venus, despite saying so. Plans from RMG. There are also plans from the russian and swedish archives, almost identical. sistership "Camilla" More info: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/5620-venus-bellona-class-frigate-by-chapman/?hl=venus Edited October 24, 2015 by Mighty_Alex 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Rättvisan ("Justice") Swedish, 1783 (designed by Frederick af Chapman) Wasa-Class, 62-gun Third Rate, two-decker Captured by the Russian in 1790. Came over in Britain as part of the Russian squadron to support Britain's blockade of France. Plan by the British in 1796 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/81290.html Source : http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=10984 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athos Edited October 22, 2015 by LeBoiteux 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Aurora (and her sistership Stella Mattutina) Austro-Hungarian 1765-1796, 26 gun-frigate The Aurora was renamed Ungheria and the Stella Mattutina was renamed Bohemia. Built in Porto Re (Kraljevica, Croatia). – Notice the swivel guns and the oars – Robert L. Dauber, Die Marine des Johanniter-Malteser-Ritter-Ordens. 500 Jahre Seekrieg zur Verteidigung Europas, Graz 1989, p.261. Robert L. Dauber, Die Marine des Johanniter-Malteser-Ritter-Ordens. 500 Jahre Seekrieg zur Verteidigung Europas, Graz 1989, p.261. Source : http://www.buchhandlung-stoehr.at/de/verlag/die-fregatten-maria-theresias/ Edited October 22, 2015 by LeBoiteux 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) AuroraDutch32-gun frigate, 145 X 40 ft, 1804 Later renamed Vriesland Source: Rotterdam Maritime Museum Source: http://www.maritiemdigitaal.nl/index.cfm?event=search.getdetail&id=100099225Image: http://mmr.adlibhosting.com/madigopacx/wwwopac.ashx?command=getcontent&server=Maritime&value=T%2FT2297.jpg Plans of a ship built on the same design : See http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7327-discussion-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/?p=140545 Dageraat 1808-1824 Renamed Aurora in 1809 Annexed by the French July 1810 and renamed Aurore. Taken by the Dutch 4 May 1814 and renamed Dageraad [sic]. Broken up in 1824. Deadweight: c. 600 tons Displacement: c. 1150 tons Length: 42,41m (keel: 39,63) Width: 11,69m Depth: 4,41m Draught: 4,87/5,25m Crew: 13 officers + 230/323 men Armament: 36 guns: 28 xviii, 8 carronades xxiv Source, pics, drawings, further information :http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7089-aurora/?hl=aurorahttp://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7327-discussion-player-ship-selection-1st-half-2016/?p=140545Demerliac, Nomenclature des navires français de 1800-1815, p.99, N°724. Thanks SteelSandwich and Wagram for your contribution !!! Edited October 27, 2015 by LeBoiteux 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackham the Red Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I know that the british ships are discouraged, but for the sake of having more smaller ships like sloops(cutters. I think its worth posting anyway. 8 gun Sharke. This used to be one of my favorite ships in POTBS. More pictures at: http://www.modelships.de/Kutter_Sharke/Photos-Cutter-Sharke.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagram Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Demerliac, Nomenclature des navires français de 1800-1815, p.99, N°724, offers the following information on the Dageraad [sic]: Frigate, plans by P. Glavimans, laid down May 1807, Amsterdam-Schuyt, launched June 1808, finished 1809; drydocked 1809 (Amsterdam, till October 1811, a plan signed P. Glavimans kept at SHM, Paris 8DD1.8,n°10); renamed Aurora 1809; annexed by the French July 1810 and renamed Aurore; taken by the Dutch 4 May 1814 and renamed Dageraad [sic]; broken up in 1824. Deadweight: c. 600 tons Displacement: c. 1150 tons Length: 42,41m (keel: 39,63) Width: 11,69m Depth: 4,41m Draught: 4,87/5,25m Crew: 13 officers + 230/323 men Armament: 36 guns: 28 xviii, 8 carronades xxiv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 (edited) Unnamed Venetian 22-gun corvette XVIII-th century http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html Source and bibliography about the Venetian Navy : http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/collezioni/collezione_0083.html http://nuke.gmtmodellismo.it/ILIBRI/NAVISTORIAEMODELLISMO/VASCELLIEFREGATEDELLASERENISSIMA/tabid/369/Default.aspx http://www.amazon.fr/Navi-veneziane-Venetian-ships-Gilberto-Penzo/dp/888190103X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1445631636&sr=8-2&keywords=navi+veneziane http://3decks.pbworks.com/w/page/916144/Venetian%20Large%20Frigates http://www.veneziamuseo.it/ARSENAL/schede_arsenal/fregate.htm Thanks Wagram for your help ! Edited October 24, 2015 by LeBoiteux 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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