D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) well, I have been looking for some information and the answer are not, the spanish ships dont have all the gunports, here some examples. 112 guns SANTA ANA woodmodel of the Naval museum of Madrid: and the 74 guns MONTAÑES: So not I think that only the first deck Edited August 11, 2015 by RAE_Cmdt.Cavero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 Allright I'll change it then, keep the last 4 gunports like the bellona? or just remove the entire deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Allright I'll change it then, keep the last 4 gunports like the bellona? or just remove the entire deck if I find information you can add it after? if is the case of course.. I asked you because, some naval construcion systems add more gunports than others, and I don´t know if the Gaztañeta system add it all or just the necessary Edited August 11, 2015 by RAE_Cmdt.Cavero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted August 11, 2015 Author Share Posted August 11, 2015 I could always add or remove gunports yes, if that's what you are asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 In France, it added in large storm the false gunport lids for not shipping water. But they were false, and are removed after. It was a simple board. Notament we did on our 12lb frigates as l'Hermione or la Belle-Poule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegfried Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Or take the practical way, quit all these ports and you save poligons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IonAguirre Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) Hi Freddy: First thing to say is ... "Congratulations". I know how complex and long can be a detailed ship hull modeling process. I have some historical comments for Cavero. Cavero: The Jorge Juan construction system is not the English, but the Jorge Juan one. It was the result of a personal development and integration he made from Traditional, Spanish, English and French systems. The work was derived from theoretical analisys and experience, as he was a Seaman as well as a Scientist and a Naval Architect. Justification of his designs can be found at his: "Examen Maritimo Teorico Practico" Vols 1 and 2, published -1743. Your model seems to be a design from Antonio Gaztañeta Iturribalzaga, and hence, belongs to the pure traditional Spanish construction system. Original drawings from Gaztañeta can be found at our Naval Museum, and surely in the Net. If you want to be accurate, compare all `plans before starting the work, as most plans in the net belong to comercial models, and not to the original ship design. Don't trust on that kind of plans. Check this link ..... http://www.todocoleccion.net/lineas-navegacion/planos-navio-san-fernando-museo-naval-ver-foto~x16319926 Regards Edited August 12, 2015 by IonAguirre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 thnx, do you have an image showing the sharp bow on a spanish vessel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 you have a PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IonAguirre Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) thnx, do you have an image showing the sharp bow on a spanish vessel? Sorry freddy. If you read my post again, you'll see I've changed it. I wrote it thinking on Jorge Juan and on, ages designs. The Gaztañeta years belong to the earlier, traditional, more rounded, bows design. Here is a drawing from Gaztañeta. Bow and stern framing is included at both sides and can be used for 3D modeling. This approach with gunports at every deck is an early design, and was never built that way. Edited August 12, 2015 by IonAguirre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 This is the bow so far 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Great!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daHeld Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Freddy, where did you get the plans for the Model? Looking really great, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted August 19, 2015 Author Share Posted August 19, 2015 thnx, here is the link http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4707-spanish-62-guns-4th-rate-san-fernando1725-with-plans/?hl=fernando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iñigo Montoya Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 It's nice to see my scans finally going somewhere Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 any update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoarmurath Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Beautiful ship, we need a 64 for each nation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Beautiful ship, we need a 64 for each nation... and if we can get two,three or more 64 for each nation will be better!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Took a break for 2 weeks but now im working on it again. Reworked the bow and love how it turned out (it has toilets on them ). Need to add some bits on the inside and ofc the stern has to be done too. But with the wipe comming this might take a while hehehe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 another update. Got the steeringwheel done, some internal parts and the first part of the stern too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 its done! the quarter gallery looks a bit weird I might make changes on that. And lets compare it to the panteleymon, this one looks way better hehe 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tibozeboss Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Nice job! may i ask how many polys are present in the model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddykrueger66 Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 thnx, it contains 17.676 polygons or 33.5k triangles. You should aim for less than 50k triangles for a big ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 so what is your next atempt? why not make a Fort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 so what is your next atempt? why not make a Fort? That sounds like an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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