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Swan class ships 


 


The class was designed by the Surveyor of the Navy, John Williams, and two vessels to this design (Swan and Kingfisher) were ordered in January 1766. Twenty-three more were ordered to the same design between 1773 and 1779; they formed the 'standard' ship sloop design of the British Navy during the American Revolutionary War, during which eleven of them were lost. Surviving vessels went on to serve during the French Revolutionary War and Napoleonic War.


The design provided for 16 gunports (8 per side, excluding the bridle-ports) but one pair was initially left unoccupied, and the ships were always rated at 14 guns. However an eighth pair of guns was added from 1780 onwards to utilise the vacant ports, without any change in the nominal rating.


The Swan class sloops were unusually attractive for the type of vessel. Not only did they have sleek hull lines but they also carried an unusual amount of decoration for their size. They were built just before the Admiralty issued orders that all vessels (especially lesser rates and unrated vessels) should have minimal decoration and carvings to save on costs, due to the seemingly ever-continuing war with France and other nations.


 


Following the initial 1766 order for two ships, a second pair was ordered in 1773 (Cygnet and Atalanta) and a further five in 1775 (Pegasus in April, Fly in August, and SwiftDispatch and Fortune in October); all these were built in the Royal Dockyards. Another five were contracted in November 1775 to be built by commercial shipbuilders (HoundHornetVultureSpy and Cormorant), and a further pair during 1776 (Zebraand Cameleon). Another two were ordered from the Royal Dockyards in January 1777 (Fairy and Nymph) and a final seven from commercial constructors over the following 30 months (SavageFuryDelight andThorn during 1777, Bonetta and Shark during 1778, and Alligator in 1779).


 


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HMS Pegasus


Building HMS Pegasus


http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2877-hms-pegasus-by-nils-langemann-1776-1780-scale-164-16-gun-swan-class-sloop-from-amati-victory-models-plan/


 


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HMS Vulture


 


HMS Vulture was a 14 gun ship sloop of the Swan class, launched on 18 March 1776. She served during both the American Revolutionary War and the French Revolutionary War before being sold for disposal in 1802.Vulture is perhaps best known for being the warship to which Benedict Arnold fled on the Hudson River in 1780 after unsuccessfully trying to betray the Continental Army's fortress at West Point, New York to the British.


 


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HMS Vulture Build Log Resurrection


http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/230-hms-vulture-by-dan-vadas-1776-148-scale-16-gun-swan-class-sloop-from-tffm-plans/


 


 


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HMS Atlanta


A photo Journal


http://www.admiraltymodels.com/Atalantapart1.pdf


http://www.admiraltymodels.com/Atalantapart2.pdf


 


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HMS Kingfisher


 


HMS Kingfisher (also spelled King's Fisher or Kingsfisher) was the second ship in the 14-gun Swan class of ship sloops, to which design 25 vessels were built in the 1760s and 1770s. She was launched on 13 July 1770 at Chatham Dockyard, and completed there on 21 November 1770. She took part in the American Revolutionary War, enforcing the blockade of the Delaware Bay, and served in the Battle of Turtle Gut Inlet, near Cape May, New Jersey. While under the temporary command of Lieutenant Hugh Christian, she was burnt by her own crew to avoid capture on 7 August 1778 in Narragansett Bay during the Battle of Rhode Island.[1]


 


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HMS Fly


 


HMS Fly was a Swan class ship sloop of the Royal Navy and was launched on 14 September 1776. She performed mainly convoy escort duties during the French Revolutionary Wars, though she did capture three privateers. She foundered and was lost with all hands early in 1802.


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Unknown Swan type ship


 


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Info page:


 


http://www.admiraltymodels.com/Models.html


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Dang it Wind... We should let you put together the list of ships to vote on  :D

 

Thanks for these. 

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Very much with you there, love the idea of many many more small ships out on the seas. 

 

Larger ships of the line rarely left harbour, except for direct engagement, blockade, etc., so I sincerely hope players won't be cruising the 'world' in 1st or 2nd or... rate ships and conducting merchant trading or worse, exploring...

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Very much with you there, love the idea of many many more small ships out on the seas. 

 

Larger ships of the line rarely left harbour, except for direct engagement, blockade, etc., so I sincerely hope players won't be cruising the 'world' in 1st or 2nd or... rate ships and conducting merchant trading or worse, exploring...

 I fully agree with this. Rates are great ships. Just...they are fleet battle ships and the occational harbor "fleet in being" ship.

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I do 3D models, but I wouldn't make a model unless I got a sailplan along with the hull line drawing.

 

After those two pages the pictures of the models are nice for reference to see how the details look, but the hull lines and sailplan are the most important drawings.

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Those two links here provide insight to the modell-building progress.

http://www.admiralty...alantapart1.pdf

http://www.admiralty...alantapart2.pdf

The second one especially is about rigging the ship.

originally posted by Wind in his OP.

 

If you consider one of those beauties for your modeling I think a lot of people here will freak out. (including me if im honest hehe)

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Those are some great looking ships.  Kind of surprised the Slope-of-war and Corvette classes aren't really in the game.

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its..its... A BABY FRIGATE!

 

such beauties! I really like them and its a shame they are not in the poll gnarf..

and here is the baby of the baby frigate!

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I love seeing compact frigates, this one is beautiful too. I hope it gets into the next poll.

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So I went onto Blender and did some training on this kind of ships..

The data available for these models is so good that I hope to make a good hull at least.

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I am still fairly new to blender altho Ive modeled several stuff for learning the software. My first approach to blender is maybe 3-4 years ago.

Ive done a lot of rough hulls for several kind of ships but I never came close enough to call something "good work"

 

These ships really inspired me a lot and I hope to have the motivation to finish this little project.

(yeah.. "little" I said)

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So I went onto Blender and did some training on this kind of ships..

The data available for these models is so good that I hope to make a good hull at least.

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I am still fairly new to blender altho Ive modeled several stuff for learning the software. My first approach to blender is maybe 3-4 years ago.

Ive done a lot of rough hulls for several kind of ships but I never came close enough to call something "good work"

 

These ships really inspired me a lot and I hope to have the motivation to finish this little project.

(yeah.. "little" I said)

Nice work! I am learning 3d modeling myself in Maya.

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So.. I worked a few more hours on this one. The bow is getting its decorations and handles, the hull is made thick and I modeled the gundeck and upper decks.

Where I struggle the most is the Stern galley. And I have to modifie a lot of the edges to make the "subsurf" modifier work properly.

Thus I only give you the rough outline of the hull. Mast are placeholders for me to get an idea.

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Just a couple of interesting ships which would be a nice additon to NA (in my opinion, at least :P)

Some plans are available online, some have been published in books and I tried to find the best and most complete set of plans.

 

I´ll update the OP with new suggestions from time to time.

 

 

Aurore, french, 1697-1720, 18 guns

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Length of Gundeck  92'

Breadth                    24' 6"

Burthen                    220 tons

Gundeck                  18 French 6-Pounder

 

 

Plan: http://ancre.fr/fr/monographies/23-monographie-fregate-legere-l-aurore-1697.html

 

Thread in the Shipyard:  http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/3359-laurore-1697-french-18-gun-frigate/

 

 

Dauphine, french, 1703 - 1705, 30 guns

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Length of Gundeck    104'     (Pied du Roi)

Breadth                      27' 5''   (Pied du Roi)

Burthen                         ?

 

Gundeck               10 french 8-pounder

                              12 french 6-pounder

Quarterdeck            8 french 4-pounder

 

Plans: http://www.epaves.corsaires.culture.fr/accessible/en/uc/02_01_01-Hull%20shape

        

           Reconstruction probably based on the 'Nymphe' of 1702 as both ships were designed by P. Cochois and have similiar dimensions.

           A plan of the 'Nymphe' can be found in 'History of the French Frigate' by Boudriot.

 

Model: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xo1hso_la-dauphine-www-epaves-corsaires-culture-fr_creation

            (video)

 

 

Peregrine Galley, british, 1700 - 1761, 20 guns

Length of Gundeck   86' 6"

Breadth                     22' 10"

Burthen                     196 8494

 

Gundeck                    16  British 6-Pounder

Quarterdeck               4   British 3-Pounder                              

 

Plan: 'The Search for Speed Under Sail' by Howard Chapelle

 

Model: DCfEdlLm.jpg?1

 

Not the PG herself, but this contemporary model should give a nice impression how she could have looked like.

 

Paintings/Drawings: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections.html#!csearch;searchTerm=Peregrine_Galley

 

Notes: The PG had an huge impact on british ship design thoughout the 18th century due to her outstanding sailing qualities, this ship is a

            must-have, in my opinion.

 

 

Hellevoetsluis, dutch, 1707 - 1724, 20 guns

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Length of Gundeck   110' 0"

Breadth                       29' 3"

Burthen                         ?

 

Gundeck               20 dutch 6-pounder?

 

Notes: probably used for coastal defense.

 

 

Blaa Hejren, danish, 1734 - 1761, 18 guns

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Length of Gundeck   86' 0"

Breadth                     22' 2"

Burthen                       ?

 

Gundeck    18 danish 4-pounders

 

Plans: Orlogsbasen

           Architectura Navalis Mercatoria, F.H. Chapman

 

Model: http://digitaltmuseum.no/011024213015?pos=24&name=Modell

 

 

Phoenix, british, 1743 - 1762, 20 guns

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Length of Gundeck   112' 6 ¾"

Breadth                       32' 3"

Burthen                       514 1794

 

Lower Gundeck       2 British 9-Pounder

Upper Gundeck     20 British 9-Pounder

Quarterdeck            2 British 3-Pounder

 

Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/383993.html

 

Model: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66372.html

 

           This is not the Phoenix, but should be quite similiar to her appearance.

 

Notes: Representing pretty much all of the countless Establishment 20- and 24-gun ships of the RN in the first half of the 18th century.

           Top-heavy and mediocre sailors. More a small two-decker than a 'true' frigate.

 

 

Amarante, french, 1747 - 1760, 12 guns

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Length of Gundeck   84' 0" (Pied du Roi)

Breadth                     22' 0" (Pied du Roi)

Burthen                     120

 

Gundeck                   12 French 4-Pounder

 

Plans: http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/Ama/plaquette.htm

 

Model: http://www.laroyale-modelisme.net/t12151-expo-et-conferences-au-pays-de-saint-malo

 

 

No Name, dutch, ~1750, 22 guns

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Gundeck   22 dutch 6-pounder

 

 

Gibraltar, british, 1754 - 1773, 20 guns

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Length of Gundeck   107' 8 ½"

Breadth                       30' 4"

Burthen                      430 6494

 

Gundeck                   20 British 9-Pounder

 

Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83766.html

           Price for a high res digital copy is ~30 Euros

 

Notes: Thomas Slade's interpretation of the lines of the french privateer Tygre. Very succesful ship class.

 

Niger, british, 1757 - 1814, 32 guns

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Length of Gundeck   125' 0"

Breadth                       35' 2"

Burthen                      679 6794

 

Gundeck                   26 British 12-Pounder

                                 12 British 1/2-Pound Swivel

 

Quarterdeck             4 British 6-Pounder

Forecastle                2 British 6-Pounder

 

Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82884.html

 

Model: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66470.html

 

           The Guadeloupe of the Coventry-Class was slightly smaller and had 28 instead of 32 guns, but was otherwise very similiar.


 

Notes: Most probably Thomas Slade´s finest frigates. Exceptional sailing characteristics and very fast (14 kn before the wind, 10.5 kn close-

           hauled). The benchmark for british frigate design till the end of the 18th century.

 

 

Sardoine, french/british, 1757- 1768, 14 guns

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Length of Gundeck   94' 4 ½"

Breadth                     24' 8 ½"

Burthen                     255 7494

 

Gundeck          14  British 4-Pounder

                         10 British 1/2-Pound Swivel

 

Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83947.html

 

 

Christiansborg, danish, 1758 - 1786, 24 guns

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Length of Gundeck   128' danish fod

Breadth                     33' 10'

 

 

Gundeck          24  Danish 12-Pounder

                        

 

Chevert/Pomona, french/british, 1759 - 1776, 18 guns

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Length of Gundeck   108' 0"

Breadth                       27' 4"

Burthen                      364 2694

 

Gundeck                    18 British 6-Pounder

                                  12 British 1/2-Pound Swivel

 

Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84012.html

 

Notes: Dunkirk privateer. With a length-to-breadth ratio of 3.95 clearly built for speed.

 

Adolph Friedric, swedish, 1763 - 1786, 24 guns (East-Indiaman)

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Length of Gundeck   160' 0"

Breadth                       42' 0"

Depth in Hold              21' 6"

 

Notes: former swedish SoL Prins Fredrik Adolf (sixty guns)

 

Provornyi, russian, 1776 - 1789, 20 guns (rowing frigate, Baltic Sea)

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Length of Gundeck   124' 4"

Breadth                       26' 0"

Burthen                         ?

 

Gundeck                     20 Russian 8-Pounder

 

Plans:  http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/382893.html

 

 

Termagant, british, 1780 - 1795, 22 guns

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Length of Gundeck   110' 5"

Breadth                       28' 0"

Burthen                      377 5894

 

Gundeck                 22  British 6-Pounder

                                  4 British 12-Pound Carronade

 

Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/82993.html

          

Paintings/Drawings: http://blueworldwebmuseum.org/item.php?title=H.M.S._Termagant_at_Anchor&id=222

 

Notes: Based on the lines of the french prize Pomona (capt. 1761), this is the most beautiful fusion of british and french shipbuilding I´ve seen

           so far. Very tempted to model her myself, already ordered the plans.

 

Bonne Citoyenne, french/british, 1795 - 1819, 20 guns

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Length of Gundeck   120' 0"

Breadth                      30' 11"

Burthen                      511 494

 

 

Gundeck (1796)      2 British 32-Pound Carronade

                              18 British 6-Pounder

 

Gundeck (1809)     18 British 32-Pound Carronade

                                2 British 9-Pounder

 

Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83820.html

 

Notes: Became famous for capturing the much larger french 48-gun frigate 'Furieuse' (armed en flute, but still quite a feat). Very good sailor.

 

 

Vensejo/Port Mahon, spanish/british, 1797 - 1837, 18 guns

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Length of Gundeck   91' 5 ½"

Breadth                     25' 2"

Burthen                     276 5094

 

Gundeck                  18 British 6-Pounder

 

Plans: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/84066.html

 

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Great post! I wouldn't mind seeing Sardoine and Termagant in-game at all. Sardoine would be fun, being such a small three-masted ship; and Termagant would be a good-looking competitor to the Snow and the Cerberus. 

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Dumping my collection


 


Cruizer


1732


 


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Speedwell


1752


 


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Deal Castle 


1756


 


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Fly


1778


 


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Savage


1778


 


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Yacht 


 


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