Snoopy Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Isn't it random who gets to sail for team 'red'? If its always the same nation(s) I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It probebly is. So far i have played 3 trafalgat events, each time as team 'blue'. Furthermore, it doesn't really matter whether or not you switch between teams if team red always has an advantage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Well this is like ST - one side ended up slightly further upwind. I guess it would be very difficult to code ship placement that is 100% balanced so I'm kinda ok with one side ending up leeward as long as it's not the same players all the time who get shafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreWesley Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Yeah, I mean, back in Sea Trials, the Brits would win most of the time due to the fact that if the match was unbalanced due to one player having a Bellona while the rest of the team was in frigates, the Bellona was always put on the British side. Yes, in Sea Trials, one side did always get the wind, but what naval battle did neither side get the wind? The problem is that the wind is constantly turning in the same direction and pretty rapidly too. It would be better honestly if the ships were not deployed with the wind exactly on their sterns, but instead on one side or the other. With the wind (or ship position) like that, the wind rotation would be more interesting, the "Blue" if they sailed fast enough would be able to gain the wind over the "Red" while the "Red" would need too be able to conserve their wind position and not over extend themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 On wind. We will introduce a new wind system that will not favor one side during beginning of the battle. Proposed system Wind starts at 180 for both sides. Wind will change randomly every 10 mins for random number of degrees between 30-90. Change will happen over 5 minute period Then wind will be constant for 5-10 mins After static 10 mins pass wind will change again randomly for 30-90 degrees. This will bring more unpredictability to the battle and will stop the favoritism for one side. Balancing Balancer is already reworked on the internal build partially solving the problem that existed in the user version. The only question we want to ask you is this - what is the highest possible imbalance acceptable for large and small events. Currently it is 10% - that is why many are left out - we increased it to 20% in internal version, perhaps we could increase it a bit further and this will allow everyone to get in. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schuetzengel Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 the balancer should be the same as open sea roe. it does not make any sense that people like balanced fights in trafalgar, but also love getting ganked on os Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) I fully agree with Scheutz that 10% is too low, yet a full 100%(OW) might be a bit too much? Scheutz, do you reckon 25-35% would make due? With that said, thank you very much admin for considering our feedback and adjusting accordingly. Edited October 27, 2015 by SteelSandwich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Is that wind change intended for events only or all battle instances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I fully agree with Scheutz that 10% is too low, yet a full 100%(OW) might be a bit too much? Scheutz, do you reckon 25-35% would make due? With that said, thank you very much admin for considering our feedback and adjusting accordingly. i agree with steel on this one, 25-35% would be good, then we get at worst the same kind of balance as when we(well you) arranged the battles, and at best we get perfect balance(almost never) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyShelby Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I like the sound of 25%. I love the sound of the wind changes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques de Montagne Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I also like to hear those news. Let's be bold and try 40% max imbalance for the trafalgars. Once we have a greater playerbase I suggest reducing it to 30 % or even less again. Right now we need to keep those events accessible and friendly to testing. In such large engagements, the effect of a numerical superiority is being reduced heavily by the small number of ships being able to engage effectively at any given time until the melee. Additionally factors as fleet cohesion, communication, leadership, tactics, lack of focus fire and whatnot reduce the influence of numbers even more. Small battles need to adhere to a better balance. I have not much experience with them, so I hesitate to suggest anything beyond a rough 20%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlavDeng2 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Any news on where we are going to the trafalgar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Well, if the BR lmit is increased we might not need to sail to plymouth again. If not, we will have to meet somewhere centrally located. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavalicious Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Id go as high as 40% in inbalance, within the 1 hour time limit its not like being out gunned by 40% of BR would lead to 24 ships being sunk lol. IMO better to get as many players in for testing purposes and to see the glory that is huge naval action, then to be too worried about 1 team having more SOL's then the other side. As it was the one traf i played in, in the hour time limit only 3 ships on ethier side went down, could certainly use a longer battle timer before worrying too much about the sides being uneven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booyaah Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Well we got the patch, let's try out the event one more time tomorrow I say. Hopefully everyone gets in... Edited October 30, 2015 by Booyaah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Agreed Thanks devs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booyaah Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Oh and if you have any ideas for more long term improvements for traf battles, please look at the other thread I made: http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/7473-trafalgar-event-room-improvements/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandonchat Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Here it is again. A bit rusty but i hope you appreciate the recording. Enjoy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Caldwell Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 The results are now too often dictated by the 'Circle of Doom' and its ever decreasing circle of realism..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Yup, not interested in events as long as this lazy, punish everyone mechanic is used to address problem of people running in battles. Running away is defeat and game should recognize that, instead of imposing all or nothing wins with fake mechanic to enforce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelSandwich Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 The circle is needed. I must say, it bothered me much more when i had to chase a ship that ran for 50 minutes than it did when i died due to the circle. Maybe the circle should follow the center of the fight(center of the players) so you get drawn back to the fight, instead of drawn to a specific location. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodblue Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Maybe the circle should follow the center of the fight(center of the players) so you get drawn back to the fight, instead of drawn to a specific location. I don't think that is the problem. I think it is the pace at what the line of the circle travels which for players in a bad position, is hard to keep up and stay inside within a certain amount of time. Edited November 2, 2015 by Goodblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booyaah Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Maybe the easiest way to prevent ppl being caught unable to outrun the circle is at 20 minutes when the circle starts collapsing, there is a one-time change of wind that flips around in direction 180 degrees so people can go back the other way. It's gonna be real hard this upcoming weekend to outrun that thing since all combat speeds have been reduced to historical levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Caldwell Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 The circle is needed. I must say, it bothered me much more when i had to chase a ship that ran for 50 minutes than it did when i died due to the circle. Maybe the circle should follow the center of the fight(center of the players) so you get drawn back to the fight, instead of drawn to a specific location. Or better still is a zone around a single ship.... if that ship is not involved in combat at X radius or in Y time a counter starts to warn the player his ship will flounder and sink soon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Sharpe Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Or better still is a zone around a single ship.... if that ship is not involved in combat at X radius or in Y time a counter starts to warn the player his ship will flounder and sink soon. This, sir, is brilliant. I've been trying to think of a way to promote combat that still allows the "remote" duels that can spawn from a larger encounter such as these. There are some great mini battles that occur off from the main action in larger engagements, and you can make some great impromptu allies and enemies. It's a terrible thing to penalize these players with a wizard MMO style constricting Ring of Magic Spell. Your suggestion would allow ships in combat to remain in combat, regardless of their distance from a contrived "center of battle." It's an elegant, organic solution. I can't think of a better way to promote action and still stay historical. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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