Surcouf 1,554 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Constellation 1794 Plans Large visit of USS Constellation.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWpPoVYB2s 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Surcouf 1,554 Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Link to a video posted already. http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/4804-sail-drills-aboard-uss-constellation-22nd-november-1900/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chromey 160 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 if the Constellation with only 38 guns take 380 men to battle.. does it mean that ships in game take dmg too fast and crew damage too little? I dunno makes me think. Our in game 44 gun Suprise has only 240 men but always has atleast 200 left over before it would sink in battle if it lost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D. Federico de Gravina y N 512 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 does it mean that ships in game take dmg too fast and crew damage too little? I dunno makes me think. Yes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maturin 6,190 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 if the Constellation with only 38 guns take 380 men to battle.. does it mean that ships in game take dmg too fast and crew damage too little? I dunno makes me think. Our in game 44 gun Suprise has only 240 men but always has atleast 200 left over before it would sink in battle if it lost. Surprise is a 28-gun ship, and much smaller and weaker than Constellation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Surcouf 1,554 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 L'Hermione is smaller and weaker than Constellation, but biggest than Suprise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Surcouf 1,554 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 http://www.historicships.org/constellation.html http://www.historicships.org/USSConstellationRestorationHistory.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paraclete 42 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) The Constellation at Baltimore Maryland is an 1854 Corvette that shares the name and tradition of the original 1797 Frigate. The disparity in crew may come from the fact that the 1854 Constellation fielded 16 8" Main "Shell" guns as well as several Rifled Parrot Guns in the 20-32 pound variety. That's a lot IRON with big gun crews to man it. There have been many claims that it is in part or whole the 1797 Frigate but when you walk her its clear she is from a later era. I was in "Balmer" for business in December and being freshly addicted to the era of sail again through NA I went to see her only to find out she had been towed across the river to the Coast Guard drydock for hull repairs. So disappointed was I at missing her that I shed at least one tear in each of the many beers I consumed at "The Wharf Rat" in Fells Point trying to console myself. I believe she is back in her slip at the Inner Harbor. Edited June 23, 2015 by Paraclete 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akd 3,021 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 The crew listed (380) seems to be correct for the 1797 Constellation. Thing is, she was rated for 38 guns but carried 48 and was very big for her rating (over 1200 tons), so that might explain her large crew. As noted, Surprise was built to carry 32 long guns, and was initially rated in British service as a 28-gun frigate, but she eventually switched long guns for carronades and added additional carronades, as these didn't require as much crew. (She also has too many guns in game.) Surprise was 578 tons, which shows how comparing based on number of guns alone is misleading. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chromey 160 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 if the Surprise was meant to carry 28 long guns how come in game it carries about 40? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maturin 6,190 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 if the Surprise was meant to carry 28 long guns how come in game it carries about 40? She's not meant to carry 28 long guns. 28-guns was one of her ratings in British service, and gun ratings are a rather arbitrary assessment of a ship's size and power. Not to different from saying "his power level is over 9,000!" Surprise's gundeck is only big enough to carry 24 guns, for instance. The British then gave her 12 more guns on the quarterdeck and forecastle, but these guns are of lesser caliber so only a few of them actually count towards the rating. In this case, the upper deck 12 count as 4, and she's a 28-gun ship. For the British, carronades are usually left out from SoL gun-ratings, and no one ever pays any attention to chase guns. The French were slightly more inclusive and would build 40-gun ships that were 38's in British service. It can all get rather silly with 32-gun frigates that are larger than 36-gun ships. Ever notice that Constitution is always called a 44 but carried over 50 guns? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ned Loe 3,873 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Plans added. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Legioneod 85 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) I'd love the see the Constellation in-game one day. It's different enough from the Constitution to warrent it being in-game, and it would give another nice American frigate alongside the Essex and Constittion. Edited January 9, 2019 by Legioneod Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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