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'Le Bucentaure' 80 guns, 1803

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Minotaur has 2 legs :D

 

Indeed it is ! I did not realise it was in itself a an entire creature until you brought that up Louis ! Thanks for the info !

So it seems the "Bucentaure" is supposed to be some kind of half Centaur half Minotaur, but in fact I found it is very rarely represented as it. I wonder if it's not mostly pictured as a "Centaur", people may have done the same mistake as I have.

As to know if it was represented as a centaur on the Bucentaure itself, or only on it's representations (paintings, drawings, models etc...) I dont know. ^^

 

Ps : I know how many legs a minotaur has ! :P

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no argument here. that shed just doesn't belong ob a ship's quarterdeck

+1 I hate that shed and it ruins ship look. I hope Devs will remove it. 

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From the Patch 9.93 thread:

 

its a feature :) it had this thing
but maybe the french line ship specialists can provide more info on this in the shipyard section by means of feedback ?)))

 
I'm not a specialist by any means, having the shed is probably not wrong but it spoils the looks.

Afaik the "shed" was only supposed to be there in peacetime, and would be removed for war, so either decision is probably correct.

 

There are depictions of the ship without them, but you can easily find lots with it.

Here are a few without:

 

bucentaure-1.jpg

 

bucentaure-2.jpg

 

bucentaure-3.jpg

 

bucentaure-4.jpg

 

bucentaure-5.jpg

 

 

And the best one yet - this seems to have been done when the ship was still afloat and not from heresay:

 

bucentaure-6.jpg

 

 

 

Sources:

http://www.naval-art.com/bucentaure_art_prints.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Bucentaure_(1803)

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bucentaure-6.jpg

 

 

 

AFAIK, this is the only contemporary image of Bucentaure (note solid bulwarks on poop deck), and the plans used for the model in game were from the Guillame Tell, which has the open rails seen in game, but no cabin on the poop deck.  While I know these cabins were a thing on many French ships, even during wartime, I am curious as to the basis of inclusion in game.

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Bucentaure hosted the Franco-Spanish war council while sheltered from the British fleet at Cadiz.  (wiki)

 

I would say, the shed was a expannsion in port to give the council more space and was removed when leaving port.

 

I bet paintings showing the shed while sailing are just fantasy by the painter because he only saw the ship in port.

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All this fuss for a shed lol I'm more than happy that we've got a very nice looking ship even if it has a shed or not

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The Trafalgar diorama. The ship has a shed on poop deck.

 

http://fotos.subefotos.com/457eef8022a4b722e301a52d52c08c75o.jpg

 

Also there is a very nice painting in Paris Naval Museum of le Bucentaure without the shed.

 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Trafalgar-Mayer_mg_0586.jpg

 

Sometimes artists lose some details or exaggerate details to make the composition of their paintings more attractable. This is why a single ship will looks not the same on different paintings.

 

In case of this ship we decided to add the shed to make the ship more unique look. This is an interesting detail which was on this ship during its lifetime. Also it makes its silhouette more recognizable.

 

P.S. Most ships have the hen cages on poop deck.  La Renommee and l'Hermione have ones.

 

 

 

 

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One thing that strikes me when fighting with the Bucentaure is that the bottom battery is very low... at close quarter it's often that most of the shots end in the water, at 100m to 250m it's often that some shots end up in the water (close to my ship) when firing full  board side. If I fire by battery it's slightly better.

 

I have no experience fighting with Victory, Pavel or even Santisima but I am wondering if it's normal for the bottom battery to act like that?

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P.S. Most ships have the hen cages on poop deck.  La Renommee and l'Hermione have ones.

Hen cages would definitely be removed in battle.

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I like the shed on the Bucentaure. A matter of taste...

 

PS : a Centaur has the lower body of a horse and the upper body of a human ; a Bucentaure is a centaur with the lower body of a bull or an ox ; the Minotaur has the body of a man and the head of a bull.

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Well they have recolored the sides on the Bucentaure and the shed on the deck is black (Very BLACK) now.

 

I miss the old colour on the sides, the orangy yellow was prettier!

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What's the color now? Please don't tell me they made her black and white...

 

Edit: Nevermind, I've seen her. She's just more yellow now.

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A yet unknown representation of the Bucentaure by Ange-Joseph Antoine Roux can be found on the net now (auction at "the saleroom"). The auctioneer did not recognize that the Bucentaure was represented; he wrongly describes the ship as a "74-gun frigate", which is ridiculous, of course. It's an 80 gun ship-of-the-line, the flag at the foremast reveals that it was a vice-admiral's ship, the figurehead and decorations are the same as those of the Bucentaure on an anonymous watercolour in the Musée National de la Marine, Paris, and on the drawings of the Bucentaure's decorations preserved at the British Library. So, this is Villeneuve's flagship le Bucentaure. (Auguste Mayer's painting shows the same figurehead but is not strictly contemporary, of course).

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/charles-miller-ltd/catalogue-id-srcharl10011/lot-ed980ca1-6645-4716-b2db-a8ba00d530bb

see also my comments here:

 

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Regarding the question whether the figurehead represents half horse and half man, or half bull and half man ...

As others pointed out, the British Library drawing apparently shows half horse and half man but the drawing of the ship's decorations actually includes a view of the quarter galleries and the transom as well, and the name on the latter undoubtedly reads "Bucentaure". The drawing seems to be an original French one (caption in French) and contemporary. As there was no "Centaure" in the French navy from 1793 to 1818 ... Perhaps, the draughtsman was not really aware of the difference between Centaure and Bucentaure? I consider it less likely that there was a mistake on the sculptor's part for the following reason:

The tail of the figurehead is not visible on Mayer's painting, and the online picture of the anonymous Musée de la Marine watercolour showing the Bucentaure is too small to be sure ... But, in my opinion, on the Roux watercolour the tail clearly is that of a bull , not of a horse, i.e. loose hair from the lower half of the tail only and not from the base as would be the case with a horse. Again, Antoine Roux seems to live up to his reputation as an exact observer. Well, ok, I can't recognize clearly the split hooves...😉

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