Agesilaus II Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 This is out of my curiosity and want to hear your thoughts! The ship can be in game or out but I would like it to be time specific to the game. You can give a name, a class, what ever you feel! To get things rolling, for the in game ships I would say the Bell and the Trinc. Any 4th rate or 3rd rate would do as well as any medium class frigate. I feel the firepower to maneuverability ratio is perfect, or close to perfect, in these ships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galileus Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 I don't get this topic. Perfectly balanced in what manner? Game-wise? But then how can you judge ships out of the game? In real life? But balanced in what way? As a line ship? And if you get that "perfect firepower / maneuverability ratio" doesn't that only mean it's perfect in scenarios that require that exact ratio and would be perfectly not perfectly balanced in any other case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueEagleGER Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 A friend of mine told me that there is a chart in the National Maritime Museum (Greenwhich, London) that states that frigates of ~36 guns are the perfect mixture between sailing and fighting capabilities. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) I don't get this topic. Perfectly balanced in what manner? Game-wise? But then how can you judge ships out of the game? In real life? But balanced in what way? As a line ship? And if you get that "perfect firepower / maneuverability ratio" doesn't that only mean it's perfect in scenarios that require that exact ratio and would be perfectly not perfectly balanced in any other case? NA is a game without ship classes and matchmaking. So some will look for THE ship, the best one, the one and only one to buy ant play with all the time. Fortunately, there's none. It all depends on what you want to do (explore, fight, trade...), where you want to sail (on shallow waters or the open sea), which features you're looking for (sailing close-hauled...), how much it costs... However, there should be lots of frigates in the OW... But time (and gameplay) will tell. Edited May 5, 2015 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 The brigantine, a schooner-brig mix, would be pretty balanced. You have the square rigged mast to run before the wind, while at the same time the fore and aft rigged main mast grants excellent maneuverability and easily let's you tack upwind. For a trader (or pirate) in coastal waters this would be an excellent choice. If you are carefull, you can escape any threat by choosing a course they can't. When under attack by square riggers you go upwind, when followed by schooner-types you go downwind. Likewise you can use this advantage to catch your prey, if you like. Of course a brigantine will be limited in size and guns, and you wont stand long between ships of the line. But cost of upkeep and minimum number of crew should be very small. For example during a manoeuvre the gaff sail aft could be worked by only 2 men and in a sudden storm the crew only has to fur square sails on a single mast. If the brigantine is too small for you, try the barquentine. Just add an other gaff sail mast for a total of tree masts. Compared to the gain in length you need almost no extra crew and the ship is still very easy to handle and turn. The increased length may even lead to a gain in top speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Hi, the 74 gun ships were considered a good balance between firepower and sailing qualities : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy-four_%28ship%29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agesilaus II Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) @Galileus It doesn't matter. It is honestly up to you. Balance what ever you want. State your favorite ship. Find a ship for several pairs of balances. @LeBoiteux This isn't about finding THE ship. THE ship is specific to each individual and their playing style. Plus the ships mentioned don't have to be from the game. This is simply about what you think is the best ship from real life or in game. I've already made my mind up. I mentioned the Bell and Trinc b/c they are in the game, but as I said above, any real life 3rd or 4th rate as well as a medium class frigate would be my perfect ship. For someone else it could be a sloop. I simply just want to know what other people's opinions are because I'm curious. Edited May 6, 2015 by Agesilaus II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosebud Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 The perfectly balanced ship of that era would be thus. The hull would be French in design. The crew English. The number of crew Spanish. The sails American. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabastarEpic Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 My perfectly balanced ship would be the fourth rate variant of the Centurion.The 1732 one.Class,elegance,looks,Power,Manoueverability. And add along the English crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Käpt´n Blaubär Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 i think the Constitution is a good jack of all trades at the moment. of course it cant stand against a ship of the line but it can take some hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Darric Vandhelm Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The perfectly balanced ship of that era would be thus. The hull would be French in design. The crew English. The number of crew Spanish. The sails American. I think the officers would be English, but the crew full of yanks. They generally seemed to be very competent with excellent morale in this period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Darric Vandhelm Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 This is out of my curiosity and want to hear your thoughts! The ship can be in game or out but I would like it to be time specific to the game. You can give a name, a class, what ever you feel! To get things rolling, for the in game ships I would say the Bell and the Trinc. Any 4th rate or 3rd rate would do as well as any medium class frigate. I feel the firepower to maneuverability ratio is perfect, or close to perfect, in these ships. Depends on the orders or role. Line of battle in a large fleet, then a 1-3 rate. Cruising then a large frigate. Piracy, something small, fast with lots of crew. I doubt a perfectly balanced ship exists, and it certainly shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePandanator2 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Well, I'd say one that has a well-centered center of gravity. Not too much weight in the front, not too much in the back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Cloudsley-Shovell Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Depends if you want a Warship or Merchantman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 1st rate 65m+ in length Good stability 1200 men crew 118 guns 3 decker 4 bow chasers 6 stern chasers (2 on quarter deck, 2 on bottom deck , 2 in stern galleys). Bottom deck x32 40 pounders Middle deck x34 24 pounders Upper gun deck x34 18 pounders Forecastle with x4 60 pounder carronades and x4 8 pounder guns. Quarterdeck with x4 60 pounder carronades and x6 8 pounder guns. Building time period 1760-1780 Displacement: 4000-5000 tons Beam: 15m Figurehead: Roaring gorilla XD Gun ports with carvings of demons. Cannons come out of their mouths. Paint scheme: Very dark red with orange lines and thin green lines in between. Yellow, Black, Red stern with small stern balconies. Name: fuego negro. Nationality Spanish but I'm not certain. YEP,I like big ships haha I'll attempt drawing it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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