Surcouf Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Sorry, I don't understand you question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 retourne to Brest after the transatlantic in 2015. More intresting at 35/40 minutes. https://youtu.be/31AEN6-MItE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRuyter Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, William the Drake said: So in-game L'Hermione does not have figurehead or nameplate, any reason for this? I read somewhere that there are no plans or documentation on the original figurehead. I could be wrong, there are a number of ships in game that don't have figureheads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Okay. Indeed there is no drawing of the figurehead for l'Hermione. But one can reasonably think that it is a lion; because it is the style of the period in France. La Concorde (the first frigate in the series of which l'Hermione is a part) has a lion as a figurehead. So I think is the same figurehead. But no proof, no certainty. Edited September 29, 2017 by Surcouf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachi Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 For those interested, how L' Hermione´s figurehead was designed and carved is described en détail in 'Ship Decoration 1630 - 1780' by Andrew Peters. The author of the book got the contract to make the figurehead, if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Are you talking about today's Hermione? Because before the Hermione de Latouche Treville there were two other frigates of the same name. One of 1748-1757 and another one of 1756-1761. And finally the one that interests us from 1779-1793. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Surcouf said: Are you talking about today's Hermione? Because before the Hermione de Latouche Treville there were two other frigates of the same name. One of 1748-1757 and another one of 1756-1761. And finally the one that interests us from 1779-1793. Andrew Peters made the figurehead of the replica : https://www.hermione.com/en/2011/846-the-figure-head.html https://www.amazon.fr/Ship-Decoration-1630-1780-Andy-Peters/dp/1848321767 Edited September 30, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 JC Leumineur chose to treat his monograph with another figurehead. Everything is debatable.I do not have the monograph and I can not say why he chose another figurehead. https://ancre.fr/en/monographies-en/78-hermione-monographie-9782903179908.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeBoiteux said: https://www.hermione.com/en/2011/846-the-figure-head.html https://www.amazon.fr/Ship-Decoration-1630-1780-Andy-Peters/dp/1848321767 Thanks!!!! Edited September 30, 2017 by Surcouf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Surcouf said: JC Leumineur chose to treat his monograph with another figurehead. Everything is debatable.I do not have the monograph and I can not say why he chose another figurehead. https://ancre.fr/en/monographies-en/78-hermione-monographie-9782903179908.html Hermione is a mythological figure so the choice of a feminine figurehead is understandable. Lemineur's choice for L'Hermione But in 1777, Antoine de Sartine, Secretary of State of the Marine, prohibited (or was it only discourage ?) allegorical figures as figureheads for the French Navy, right ? However, such naval sculpture were still made by the Arsenal de Toulon in 1779 : Antoine Gibert, for the frigate La Naïade (186 x 55 x 68 cm). Paris, musée national de la Marine, Inv. 9 OA 17 [39 OA 16] Could it be a private order for a privateer ? Or is it for the French navy ? Did the Arsenal work for individuals ? I do not have the complete details... Edited September 30, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Surcouf said: Tanks!!!! You, Surcouf, want "Tanks" in NA ? What happened to that Naval expert I've admired so ? Edited September 30, 2017 by LeBoiteux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 The figureheads is a French bazaar ! It is a costly sculpture, many people find it totally useless on a ship. Others see the greatness of the nation. As always there are pros and detractors. The mythological theme is privileged, but the lion is cheaper and more generalist. Ships offered to the King usually have a lion. In 1777 a text imposes the lion as sole figurehead. But this is not followed properly. In 1786 the figure of prow is replaced by a simple escutcheon with the arms of France. Not always respected either. And the already prominent figureheads on ships are rarely replaced. At the Restoration (1814) the figureheads are abandoned to be replaced by a simple bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 38 minutes ago, LeBoiteux said: You, Surcouf, want "Tanks" in NA ? What happened to that Naval expert I've admired so ? Nothing happened. I do not know everything and I know how to say "thank you" when others know and teach me things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Captain Jean-Luc Picard Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Redshirts but still alive!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRuyter Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 9/30/2017 at 3:47 AM, LeBoiteux said: Andrew Peters made the figurehead of the replica : https://www.hermione.com/en/2011/846-the-figure-head.html https://www.amazon.fr/Ship-Decoration-1630-1780-Andy-Peters/dp/1848321767 It should be on the ship in game IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBoiteux Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) On 30/09/2017 at 10:49 AM, Surcouf said: The figureheads is a French bazaar ! It is a costly sculpture, many people find it totally useless on a ship. Others see the greatness of the nation. As always there are pros and detractors. The mythological theme is privileged, but the lion is cheaper and more generalist. Ships offered to the King usually have a lion. In 1777 a text imposes the lion as sole figurehead. But this is not followed properly. In 1786 the figure of prow is replaced by a simple escutcheon with the arms of France. Not always respected either. And the already prominent figureheads on ships are rarely replaced. At the Restoration (1814) the figureheads are abandoned to be replaced by a simple bust. I guess that another important year for figureheads is 1789 (till 1804 and the 1st Empire) with the French Revolution and the come-back of allegorical figures embodying the new political ideals that are also visible in the name of the ships (The Revolutionary, The Human Rights, The Tyrannicide, The Unity...). For example : La Poursuivante, 1796 So the decree in 1777 by de Sartine imposing the lion as the only allowed figurehead had a limited practical effect in the French shipyards and didn't lasted long (12 years till 1789). 51 minutes ago, DeRuyter said: It should be on the ship in game IMO. I guess there should be a figurehead on L'Hermione : a lion or an allegorical figure. I'd prefer the latter, for no historical reason, but just because there's already been a lot of lions as figurehead in game and I favor feminine figure. And Hermione is a mythological figure. However, I guess that a 3d figurehead needs a lot of work and is costly. I don't know whether or not copying/rescaling/pasting a preexisting (in-game) lion figurehead on the Hermione is doable/desirable. Edited October 2, 2017 by LeBoiteux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Jean-Luc Picard Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/2/2017 at 8:09 PM, LeBoiteux said: I guess there should be a figurehead on L'Hermione : a lion or an allegorical figure. I'd prefer the latter, for no historical reason, but just because there's already been a lot of lions as figurehead in game and I favor feminine figure. And Hermione is a mythological figure. However, I guess that a 3d figurehead needs a lot of work and is costly. I don't know whether or not copying/rescaling/pasting a preexisting (in-game) lion figurehead on the Hermione is doable/desirable. I shall use this opportunity to remind that there should be mods in the steam workshop that allow anyone to do anything, thus you could make a custom figurehead of your choice, or download one made by someone else, although it would only be visible by yourself or other people using the same mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 D -100 https://youtu.be/3xBMLzrwQEk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Love it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) Painting of l'Hermione by Jonathan Florent Edited January 6, 2018 by Surcouf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 That's it, she's putting it back! The french frigate L'Hermione left her home port with the crew of the LEG 0, she gently went down the Charente in favor of the tide to cross the Pertuis d'Antioche and anchor in front of the port of La Rochelle. She will then enter the basin of grands yachts to complete her armament with the crew of the LEG 1 (La Rochelle/Tanger (Maroco)) It must cast off no later than February 21 to return in four months. before departure.https://youtu.be/nDZQK9TJ0tE Let's go!https://www.facebook.com/tourismecharentes/...55665694334213/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hethwill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Will try to visit her ( and the crew ) when she ports at Portimão. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Will try to visit her ( and the crew ) when she ports at Portimão. #2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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