Ned Loe Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Wasa (Vasa) 1628 Vasa (or Wasa) is a Swedish warship built between 1626 and 1628. The ship foundered and sank after sailing about 1,300 m (1,400 yd) into her maiden voyageon 10 August 1628. She fell into obscurity after most of her valuable bronze cannons were salvaged in the 17th century until she was located again in the late 1950s in a busy shipping lane just outside the Stockholm harbor. Salvaged with a largely intact hull in 1961, she was housed in a temporary museum called Wasavarvet ("The Wasa Shipyard") until 1988 and then moved to the Vasa Museum in Stockholm. The ship is one of Sweden's most popular tourist attractions and has been seen by over 29 million visitors since 1961. Since her recovery, Vasa has become a widely recognized symbol of the Swedish "great power period" and is today a de facto standard in the media and among Swedes for evaluating the historical importance of shipwrecks. The ship was built on the orders of the King of Sweden Gustavus Adolphus as part of the military expansion he initiated in a war with Poland-Lithuania (1621–1629). She was constructed at the navy yard in Stockholm under a contract with private entrepreneurs in 1626–1627 and armed primarily with bronze cannons cast in Stockholm specifically for the ship. Richly decorated as a symbol of the king's ambitions for Sweden and himself, upon completion she was one of the most powerfully armed vessels in the world. However, Vasa was dangerously unstable due to too much weight in the upper structure of the hull. Despite this lack of stability she was ordered to sea and foundered only a few minutes after encountering a wind stronger than a breeze. The order to sail was the result of a combination of factors. The king, who was leading the army in Poland at the time of her maiden voyage, was impatient to see her take up her station as flagship of the reserve squadron at Älvsnabben in the Stockholm Archipelago. At the same time the king's subordinates lacked the political courage to openly discuss the ship's structural problems or to have the maiden voyage postponed. An inquiry was organized by the Swedish Privy Council to find those responsible for the disaster, but in the end no one was punished for the fiasco. During the 1961 recovery, thousands of artifacts and the remains of at least 15 people were found in and around the Vasa's hull by marine archaeologists. Among the many items found were clothing, weapons, cannons, tools, coins, cutlery, food, drink and six of the ten sails. The artifacts and the ship herself have provided scholars with invaluable insights into details of naval warfare, shipbuilding techniques and everyday life in early 17th-century Sweden. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 While the Wasa is a magnificent sight to behold in real life, the ship design is (as you mention) fatally flawed. So let's not put her into the game, as she would sink every time she sail out of the harbour in more than a dead calm. ~Brigand 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spadde Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Ive seen Vasa in real life, she was huge Some really weird ornament on there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 I wonder how many people would pay for it if added to the game. I do not think many games have this ship and it makes it a good money making item. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mass Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I can honestly say if this was a premium ship i would buy it even if it cost 50 dollars 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samba_liten Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Being Swedish, and having seen the real ship, i'd love to see this in game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragorn Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 beautiful ship! i would personally love to see the Le Soleil Royal put into the game! : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 beautiful ship! i would personally love to see the Le Soleil Royal put into the game! : ) I am sure once the game is out devs will be adding more and more ships. Premium and non. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrum Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there also a much more modern version named the Wasa? It was part of the player choice poll, Wasa (1778) 60-gun 3rd rate. Between the two Swedish designs, I would love to see the 1778 version, in fact it is my current top choice of ships not currently selected to appear. The 1628 version, while an interesting looking design, definitely does not look seaworthy. Way too top heavy which is probably why she floundered on her maiden voyage. Also 1628 is before the cut off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchurkjeBoefje Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 While the Wasa is a magnificent sight to behold in real life, the ship design is (as you mention) fatally flawed. So let's not put her into the game, as she would sink every time she sail out of the harbour in more than a dead calm. ~Brigand Basically this. It was a terrible ship. Hell, it didn't even WORK as a ship. Vasa 1628 was an artificial reef. That's pretty much it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRuyter Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there also a much more modern version named the Wasa? It was part of the player choice poll, Wasa (1778) 60-gun 3rd rate. Between the two Swedish designs, I would love to see the 1778 version, in fact it is my current top choice of ships not currently selected to appear. The 1628 version, while an interesting looking design, definitely does not look seaworthy. Way too top heavy which is probably why she floundered on her maiden voyage. Also 1628 is before the cut off. This ^^ 17th century ships are beautiful and the capitol ships very ornate but NA is in a later time period in ship design. BTW - lots of theories for the foundering in 1628 not just the basic design as this was how large warships were designed at the time. Which of course puts them at a disadvantage against a ship built in 1778, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlabastarEpic Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Id prefer the 18th century Wasa to the 17th century Vasa,coz I was advocating for people to vote that during the poll.It also looked way better than any third rate and was shallower on the draught than most third rates.Thats my opinion For the Vasa(17th century version)I wouldent mind it being added to the game(let the flak fly) as it looks abit like the La Couronne Galleon and dare I say an alternative?Just fix up up its flaws for the game BUT please,and for the love of everything holy please put the 18th century Wasa in the game first before you put the Vasa(17th century version) in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrum Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 This ^^ 17th century ships are beautiful and the capitol ships very ornate but NA is in a later time period in ship design. BTW - lots of theories for the foundering in 1628 not just the basic design as this was how large warships were designed at the time. Which of course puts them at a disadvantage against a ship built in 1778, etc. Why do people keep saying this? The time cut off is like 1680 - 1830 so covers a pretty board spectrum. Yes we currently have mostly late 1700s to early 1800s designs but that isn't always going to be that way. For example, the Ingermanland is a 1715 design so you really can't call it a late period in ship design. Now I will fully agree that there is a pretty huge difference in the design of ships between the early 1600s and the late 1600s and those designed in the early 1600s really don't fit with the likes of a Constitution but there are tons of beautiful late 1600s designs that offer much more beauty and character without being outlandishly different in design and I am really looking forward to those making it in game at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 Why do people keep saying this? The time cut off is like 1680 - 1830 so covers a pretty board spectrum. Yes we currently have mostly late 1700s to early 1800s designs but that isn't always going to be that way. For example, the Ingermanland is a 1715 design so you really can't call it a late period in ship design. Now I will fully agree that there is a pretty huge difference in the design of ships between the early 1600s and the late 1600s and those designed in the early 1600s really don't fit with the likes of a Constitution but there are tons of beautiful late 1600s designs that offer much more beauty and character without being outlandishly different in design and I am really looking forward to those making it in game at some point. Hondas civic don't fit with lexus...but they are still on the road 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 get her sister ships where they made the ship on the waterline around 1.5m wider makign it more stable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narva Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 yeah Im pretty sure that the sister ship was a good ship because if they had F'''ed it up they would probably have been executed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Wiener_Von_Snitzel Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Dindt the Wasa sink just after it got into the water because it was to high or something and the balance made it tip over? Edited February 28, 2015 by mortenlnielsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 adding only 24pounders on the second gun deck+ using round stones for balast wich rolled to the side when it heeled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 The Wasa sank just after leaving for the first time because her design was fatally flawed. The main shipwright for her had died not long after the keel was laid down, the king demanded more guns and more impressive dimensions, the ship had to be ready before schedule (king's orders), etc. etc. The result was a ship that was instable, due to a combination of to much weight above the waterline and too narrow a hull. The issue was known to some people, such as the boatswain, who demonstrated the fact by having a bunch of sailors run from starboard to larboard and back again. He was ordered to stop because they feared she would capsize there and then. He could not add any extra ballast, because the gun ports where already quite low above the waterline. If you get the chance to visit the museum build around her, you should do so. The story is laid out very clear and it is interesting to see that those who could be blamed where above any conviction because of their rank and status (they didn't even appear on the hearing bout the disaster). Is the hull a magnificent sight in the museum? Absolutely, it is one of the most impressive museum pieces to be found anywhere. Should such a flawed ship be brought into the game? Well, in my opinion? No, I would rather see her left out. Cheers, Brigand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_86 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 I agree, she was a flawedship and a lot of other ships deserve a place in game more than her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_the_Stripper Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Vasa (or Wasa)[1] is a Swedish warship built between 1626 and 1628. The ship foundered and sank after sailing about 1,300 m (1,400 yd) into her maiden voyageon 10 August 1628. She fell into obscurity after most of her valuable bronze cannons were salvaged in the 17th century until she was located again in the late 1950s in a busy shipping lane just outside the Stockholm harbor. Salvaged with a largely intact hull in 1961, she was housed in a temporary museum calledWasavarvet ("The Wasa Shipyard") until 1988 and then moved to the Vasa Museum in Stockholm. The ship is one of Sweden's most popular tourist attractions and has been seen by over 29 million visitors since 1961.[2] Since her recovery, Vasa has become a widely recognized symbol of the Swedish "great power period" and is today a de facto standard in the media and among Swedes for evaluating the historical importance of shipwrecks. Tonnage: 1210 tonnes displacement Length: Sparred length: 69 m (226 ft)Between perpendiculars 47.5 m (155.8 ft) Beam: 11.7 m (38 ft) Height: 52.5 m (172 ft) Draft: 4.8 m (16 ft) Propulsion: Sails, 1,275 square m (13,720 sq ft) Crew: 145 sailors, 300 soldiers Armament: 64 guns, including: 24-pounders—48 3-pounders—8 1-pounders—2 howitzers—6 The next time I go to Denmark gonna jump over to Sweden to see the Vasa Edited March 5, 2015 by Michelangelo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Merged. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_the_Stripper Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 ty m8 tried to search for in on the forum but did not find Vasa but did not search for Wasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Won't it just sink the first time it sails through a storm or turns fast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Sailing ships don't actually risk their stability by turning fast, as they're not motorcycles. Funny how this idea spread around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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