Ned Loe Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 'Heemskerck' Plans: Building a ship: http://forum.modelsworld.ru/topic4907.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Are you sure about that name? I would hazard a guess that it should be "Heemskerk"? ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 24, 2015 Author Share Posted February 24, 2015 Are you sure about that name? I would hazard a guess that it should be "Heemskerk"? ~Brigand Could be, I just translated from Russian. Actually here is a true name - Heemskerck. You can fix the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 That ship looks so stereotypical, its as generic as you can get when it comes to age of sail ships. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryga Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 It's probably old dutch. The current town is called Heemskerk. Kerk meaning church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdguy Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Note that the "waterline" of that set of plans is actually all wrong. Most ships have a slight angle to their keel. They sit deeper at the back by the rudder. The artist who drew this vessel has it sitting on the keel, level, and then drew in the waterline parallel with that, which is wrong. You can see in the internal cross section that the deck seems all wrong, but if you were to tilt it properly by about 2 degrees or so, then it works. Edited February 25, 2015 by weirdguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTwoMilk Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Heemskerck is correct, especially for the time it seems to fit well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchurkjeBoefje Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 The extra C is old timey spelling. You see it a lot in those days. Looks like a nice little Fluyt style ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRuyter Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 This is an early 17th century design, so unfortunately prior to the time period set for NA. Two major clues in the plans besides the hull design: she has a whipstaff for steering and has square headsails (sprit tops'l) with no jibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Loe Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 This is an early 17th century design, so unfortunately prior to the time period set for NA. Two major clues in the plans besides the hull design: she has a whipstaff for steering and has square headsails (sprit tops'l) with no jibs. The time period for NA starts as early as 1610 if I can recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 We definitely stop at 1820 mark yes. +-5 years. Initial model line up range from 1680 till 1820. Going earlier than that might make line battles look strange (with old galleons alongside modern 2nd rates) In the Player selected ship 2015 - Suggestions-thread, @admin mentioned: 1600-1830 hard limit 1690-1790 preferred But as of now, the earlies vessel in the list is the Ingermanland (1715). ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeRuyter Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Looks like the beginning time period is a moving target, but judging by the forum discussions it is trending toward 1700+ Don't get me wrong I like 17th century ships and have sailed on a replica of a Dutch ship from 1625 (and visited Bataviawerf). Just really a separate period in ship design, naval tactics, etc from what we are seeing in NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryga Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 The Batavia then I presume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchurkjeBoefje Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 It's a bit early indeed for the timeperiod, but I can imagine it matters a bit less for merchantmen than for straight up warships. That said, I'm sure us Dutchies had "a few" merchantmen in later periods as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicked Mouse Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Are you sure about that name? I would hazard a guess that it should be "Heemskerk"? ~Brigand The extra 'c' at a 'k' is 17th century Dutch. Just like 'ae' for 'aa' and 'uy' or 'uij' for 'ui'. Just like the ſ what's called the 'long' or 'descending' s, it looks like an f but is an s. A lot of that Dutch has been "streamlined" now and new rules have been made to make it more "slik", both in syntax as spelling. "Heemskerk" is the modern version of the name of the town this ship is named after. Probably Heemskerck was first Heemſkerck too. geographical names: Haerlem -> Haarlem Heemskerck -> Heemskerk Heemſtee -> Heemstede Sneeck -> Sneek Muijden -> Muiden Ilſt -> IJlst Pieterſbierum -> Pietersbierum Schiermonnickooch -> Schiermonnikoog Alckmaer -> Alkmaar Enchuiſen -> Enkhuizen language spelling: ghedaen doer -> gedaan door (done by) ooſt zuijdt ooſt -> oost zuid oost (east south east) Edited February 28, 2015 by Wicked Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 The extra 'c' at a 'k' is 17th century Dutch. Just like 'ae' for 'aa' and 'uy' or 'uij' for 'ui'. Just like the ſ what's called the 'long' or 'descending' s, it looks like an f but is an s. (...) Originally, the name was a translated back from some Russian model kit, so my comment was not about Heemskerck with a c, but some completely mangled form of it, which I thought made most sense to mean Heemskerk, a guess which turned out to be correct. The topic title has been updated since. ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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