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I'm not sure where you are getting your broadside weight numbers.  Broadside weight refers to the weight of shot fired on a single target, meaning 1 broadside and not both.  Technically, I think it only refers to the main battery (gun deck) but I think it should include all decks for a more accurate number.

 

An example
 

Lynx

4x4lbers 16

or

4x6lbers  24

or

4x12lb carronades 48

 

Lynx is at max 48.

 

But otherwise awesome chart.

 

If you look at the Victory, Yacht, Cutter, and Privateer, they are correct on your chart, all the others are wrong.

 

Here is an incomplete list to help you out that doesn't list all combinations and mostly just focuses on the standard armament with a few additions of carronades as well.  I had compiled this list for TDA some time ago, but again, I just focus on the standard armaments

Lynx
4 x 6lb - 24
total: 24

Cutter, Yacht:
6 x 6lb - 36
total: 36
or
6 x 12lb cannonades - 72
total: 72 (more than a standard snow!)

Brig:
8 x 6lb - 48
total: 48

 

Mercury:

10 x 6lb - 60

total: 60

 

Snow
3 x 6lb - 18
8 x 6lb - 48
total: 66

 

Cerberus:

13 x 9lb- 117

total: 117

 

Renommee:

[???]

 

Surprise
7 x 9lb - 63
12 x 12 lb - 144
total: 207 lbs

 

Frigate:

13 x 18lb - 234

6   x 12lb - 72

total: 306lb

 

Trincomalee:
11 x 12lb longs - 132
14 x 18lb longs - 252
total: 384

Constitution
12 x 18lb - 216
15 x 24lb - 360
total: 576
or
12 x 32lb carronades - 384
15 x 24lb - 360
total: 744

Bellona
9 x 12lb - 108
14 x 24lb - 336
14x 32lb - 448
total: 892

Victory
7 x 18lb - 126
15 x 24lb - 360
15 x 32lb - 480
16 x 42lb - 672
toal: 1638

Santisima
17 x 9lb - 153
17 x 18lb - 306
18 x 32lb - 576
17 x 42lb - 714
total: 1749

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I'm not sure where you are getting your broadside weight numbers.  Broadside weight refers to the weight of shot fired on a single target, meaning 1 broadside and not both.  Technically, I think it only refers to the main battery (gun deck) but I think it should include all decks for a more accurate number.

 

An example

 

Lynx

4x4lbers 16

or

4x6lbers  24

or

4x12lb carronades 48

 

Lynx is at max 48.

 

But otherwise awesome chart.

 

If you look at the Victory, Yacht, Cutter, and Privateer, they are correct on your chart, all the others are wrong.

 

Here is an incomplete list to help you out that doesn't list all combinations and mostly just focuses on the standard armament with a few additions of carronades as well.  I had compiled this list for TDA some time ago, but again, I just focus on the standard armaments

Lynx

4 x 6lb - 24

total: 24

Cutter, Yacht:

6 x 6lb - 36

total: 36

or

6 x 12lb cannonades - 72

total: 72 (more than a standard snow!)

Brig:

8 x 6lb - 48

total: 48

Snow

3 x 6lb - 18

8 x 6lb - 48

total: 66

Surprise

7 x 9lb - 63

12 x 12 lb - 144

total: 207 lbs

Trincomalee:

11 x 12lb longs - 132

14 x 18lb longs - 252

total: 384

Constitution

12 x 18lb - 216

15 x 24lb - 360

total: 576

or

12 x 32lb carronades - 384

15 x 24lb - 360

total: 744

Bellona

9 x 12lb - 108

14 x 24lb - 336

14x 32lb - 448

total: 892

Victory

7 x 18lb - 126

15 x 24lb - 360

15 x 32lb - 480

16 x 42lb - 672

toal: 1638

Santisima

17 x 9lb - 153

17 x 18lb - 306

18 x 32lb - 576

17 x 42lb - 714

total: 1749

 

 

Ugnh - silly me. I am pretty sleepy. I will look into fixing it tomorrow. It's meant to be as you say a) minimum/maximum from a single broadside B) total metal weight min/max. Thanks for telling me.

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Actually, now that I look at it closer, I'm really confused :D  The Victory numbers on the right are off.  What do you mean by min-max broadside vs min-max metal weight?

 

But this is awesome in my opinion and is a lot better than my list and goes into more details.  I think it is an excellent visual aide :D

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Nice work.

The image of the snow is missing its trysail mast; right now she is depicted as a brig instead of a snow.

 

~Brigand

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I recommend posting broadside weight of metal for the historical complement of long guns. Leave the carronades out of it.

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Actually, now that I look at it closer, I'm really confused :D  The Victory numbers on the right are off.  What do you mean by min-max broadside vs min-max metal weight?

 

But this is awesome in my opinion and is a lot better than my list and goes into more details.  I think it is an excellent visual aide :D

 

Okay so I think its fixed now: http://imgur.com/YrLBkS5

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Actually, now that I look at it closer, I'm really confused :D  The Victory numbers on the right are off.  What do you mean by min-max broadside vs min-max metal weight?

 

But this is awesome in my opinion and is a lot better than my list and goes into more details.  I think it is an excellent visual aide :D

Hi, yes I had an error in spreadsheet and I was very tired. Check it again now

 

The idea is the broadside min max is the range of damage which can be delivered by a single broadside whereas metal weight is the total weight of metal she can fire from all cannons (minimum and maximum). 

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Nice work.

The image of the snow is missing its trysail mast; right now she is depicted as a brig instead of a snow.

 

~Brigand

 

Thank you telling me ! I will update it in the next version as I saw your comment to late to get into this version. I'm sure people will find other errors too.

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I think your ST is off.  Max broadside weight non carronade is 1749.  I think you add in an extra deck of 24s.

 

Constitution is 576, not 558

 

Also, yacht crew has increased to 35.  Cutter crew is 40.

 

You have listed for the Trinc a 3lb gun.

 

Otherwise, looks good!

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I think your ST is off.  Max broadside weight non carronade is 1749.  I think you add in an extra deck of 24s.

 

Constitution is 576, not 558

 

Also, yacht crew has increased to 35.  Cutter crew is 40.

 

You have listed for the Trinc a 3lb gun.

 

Otherwise, looks good!

 

Thanks! I will look into fixing it tomorrow.

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I just noticed that in 'number of guns' count you included the stern- and bow-chasers, this is contrary to what was common (hence the Bellona is referred to as a 74 gun ship).

It was also common to list the main gun deck first, so in case of for example the Surprise, it would be 19 (12+7).

 

Also, I can't really figure out where the 'metal weight' comes from? Typically, broadside weight and metal weight are used interchangeably.

 

Cheers,
Brigand

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The metal weight is the weight of all the guns on the ship including chasers.  I'd rather have that side changed to if the ship was carrying carronades, but it is fine how it is.

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The snow is still missing her trysail mast (so, as a result, you have depicted her as a brig).

 

~Brigand

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Updated the list with:

 

 

Mercury:

10 x 6lb - 60

 

Cerberus:

13 x 9lb- 117

total: 117

 

Renommee:

???

 

frigate:

13 x 18lb - 234

6   x 12lb - 72

total: 306lb

 

yeah.. using my filthy mod-skillz

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Has this been updated?? I do not see the Niagara...

I like this chart best of all the ship references!!

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Some ships list their gun decks bottom up and some top down in that chart. It also says small square rigs on the second column, but the Xebec seems to be a fore and aft.

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