Thomas Cochrane Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Ship Chart: Showing Rigging, Guns, Crew Printer friendly Edited July 13, 2015 by Thomas Cochrane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I'm not sure where you are getting your broadside weight numbers. Broadside weight refers to the weight of shot fired on a single target, meaning 1 broadside and not both. Technically, I think it only refers to the main battery (gun deck) but I think it should include all decks for a more accurate number. An example Lynx 4x4lbers 16 or 4x6lbers 24 or 4x12lb carronades 48 Lynx is at max 48. But otherwise awesome chart. If you look at the Victory, Yacht, Cutter, and Privateer, they are correct on your chart, all the others are wrong. Here is an incomplete list to help you out that doesn't list all combinations and mostly just focuses on the standard armament with a few additions of carronades as well. I had compiled this list for TDA some time ago, but again, I just focus on the standard armamentsLynx4 x 6lb - 24total: 24Cutter, Yacht:6 x 6lb - 36total: 36or6 x 12lb cannonades - 72total: 72 (more than a standard snow!)Brig:8 x 6lb - 48total: 48 Mercury: 10 x 6lb - 60 total: 60 Snow3 x 6lb - 188 x 6lb - 48total: 66 Cerberus: 13 x 9lb- 117 total: 117 Renommee: [???] Surprise7 x 9lb - 6312 x 12 lb - 144total: 207 lbs Frigate: 13 x 18lb - 234 6 x 12lb - 72 total: 306lb Trincomalee:11 x 12lb longs - 13214 x 18lb longs - 252total: 384Constitution12 x 18lb - 21615 x 24lb - 360total: 576or12 x 32lb carronades - 38415 x 24lb - 360total: 744Bellona9 x 12lb - 10814 x 24lb - 33614x 32lb - 448total: 892Victory7 x 18lb - 12615 x 24lb - 36015 x 32lb - 48016 x 42lb - 672toal: 1638Santisima17 x 9lb - 15317 x 18lb - 30618 x 32lb - 57617 x 42lb - 714total: 1749 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolitho Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Very nice. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Cochrane Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 I'm not sure where you are getting your broadside weight numbers. Broadside weight refers to the weight of shot fired on a single target, meaning 1 broadside and not both. Technically, I think it only refers to the main battery (gun deck) but I think it should include all decks for a more accurate number. An example Lynx 4x4lbers 16 or 4x6lbers 24 or 4x12lb carronades 48 Lynx is at max 48. But otherwise awesome chart. If you look at the Victory, Yacht, Cutter, and Privateer, they are correct on your chart, all the others are wrong. Here is an incomplete list to help you out that doesn't list all combinations and mostly just focuses on the standard armament with a few additions of carronades as well. I had compiled this list for TDA some time ago, but again, I just focus on the standard armaments Lynx 4 x 6lb - 24 total: 24 Cutter, Yacht: 6 x 6lb - 36 total: 36 or 6 x 12lb cannonades - 72 total: 72 (more than a standard snow!) Brig: 8 x 6lb - 48 total: 48 Snow 3 x 6lb - 18 8 x 6lb - 48 total: 66 Surprise 7 x 9lb - 63 12 x 12 lb - 144 total: 207 lbs Trincomalee: 11 x 12lb longs - 132 14 x 18lb longs - 252 total: 384 Constitution 12 x 18lb - 216 15 x 24lb - 360 total: 576 or 12 x 32lb carronades - 384 15 x 24lb - 360 total: 744 Bellona 9 x 12lb - 108 14 x 24lb - 336 14x 32lb - 448 total: 892 Victory 7 x 18lb - 126 15 x 24lb - 360 15 x 32lb - 480 16 x 42lb - 672 toal: 1638 Santisima 17 x 9lb - 153 17 x 18lb - 306 18 x 32lb - 576 17 x 42lb - 714 total: 1749 Ugnh - silly me. I am pretty sleepy. I will look into fixing it tomorrow. It's meant to be as you say a) minimum/maximum from a single broadside total metal weight min/max. Thanks for telling me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Actually, now that I look at it closer, I'm really confused The Victory numbers on the right are off. What do you mean by min-max broadside vs min-max metal weight? But this is awesome in my opinion and is a lot better than my list and goes into more details. I think it is an excellent visual aide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Nice work. The image of the snow is missing its trysail mast; right now she is depicted as a brig instead of a snow. ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I recommend posting broadside weight of metal for the historical complement of long guns. Leave the carronades out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I was looking for the historic broadside weight for the List of vessels in the game as well, but it is hard to find any good data. If you have some, please share it. ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Cochrane Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Actually, now that I look at it closer, I'm really confused The Victory numbers on the right are off. What do you mean by min-max broadside vs min-max metal weight? But this is awesome in my opinion and is a lot better than my list and goes into more details. I think it is an excellent visual aide Okay so I think its fixed now: http://imgur.com/YrLBkS5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Cochrane Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Ugnh - silly me. I am pretty sleepy. I will look into fixing it tomorrow. It's meant to be as you say a) minimum/maximum from a single broadside total metal weight min/max. Thanks for telling me. I think it's fixed now : http://imgur.com/YrLBkS5 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Cochrane Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 I recommend posting broadside weight of metal for the historical complement of long guns. Leave the carronades out of it. Hi yes I've ignored cannonades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Cochrane Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Actually, now that I look at it closer, I'm really confused The Victory numbers on the right are off. What do you mean by min-max broadside vs min-max metal weight? But this is awesome in my opinion and is a lot better than my list and goes into more details. I think it is an excellent visual aide Hi, yes I had an error in spreadsheet and I was very tired. Check it again now The idea is the broadside min max is the range of damage which can be delivered by a single broadside whereas metal weight is the total weight of metal she can fire from all cannons (minimum and maximum). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Cochrane Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Nice work. The image of the snow is missing its trysail mast; right now she is depicted as a brig instead of a snow. ~Brigand Thank you telling me ! I will update it in the next version as I saw your comment to late to get into this version. I'm sure people will find other errors too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 I think your ST is off. Max broadside weight non carronade is 1749. I think you add in an extra deck of 24s. Constitution is 576, not 558 Also, yacht crew has increased to 35. Cutter crew is 40. You have listed for the Trinc a 3lb gun. Otherwise, looks good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Cochrane Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 I think your ST is off. Max broadside weight non carronade is 1749. I think you add in an extra deck of 24s. Constitution is 576, not 558 Also, yacht crew has increased to 35. Cutter crew is 40. You have listed for the Trinc a 3lb gun. Otherwise, looks good! Thanks! I will look into fixing it tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I just noticed that in 'number of guns' count you included the stern- and bow-chasers, this is contrary to what was common (hence the Bellona is referred to as a 74 gun ship). It was also common to list the main gun deck first, so in case of for example the Surprise, it would be 19 (12+7). Also, I can't really figure out where the 'metal weight' comes from? Typically, broadside weight and metal weight are used interchangeably. Cheers,Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 The metal weight is the weight of all the guns on the ship including chasers. I'd rather have that side changed to if the ship was carrying carronades, but it is fine how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prater Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The snow is still missing her trysail mast (so, as a result, you have depicted her as a brig). ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Updated the list with: Mercury: 10 x 6lb - 60 Cerberus: 13 x 9lb- 117 total: 117 Renommee: ??? frigate: 13 x 18lb - 234 6 x 12lb - 72 total: 306lb yeah.. using my filthy mod-skillz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernWolves Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ship Chart: Showing Rigging, Guns, Crew, Broadside Weight Printer friendly Can you repost? The link is dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Cochrane Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share Posted July 13, 2015 Can you repost? The link is dead This is the latest version: http://i.imgur.com/DQCIRRa.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Has this been updated?? I do not see the Niagara... I like this chart best of all the ship references!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetrion Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Some ships list their gun decks bottom up and some top down in that chart. It also says small square rigs on the second column, but the Xebec seems to be a fore and aft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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