Brigand Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Table updated, historic broadside weight is now converted from national pounds into English pounds by conversion ratio as listed. ~Brigand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles-René Magon Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I don't understand the choice of two French frigates : la Belle Poule (1766) and la Renommée (1794). They are two 12-pounder frigates relatively similar no ? Why didn't you choose one 12-pounder and one 18-pounder for example ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 They've built the 1747 Renommee, actually. She was an extremely fast 9-pounder frigate. That leaves our 18-pdr Leda class, 12-pd Belle Poule, the generic 'Frigate,' which could be either 18 or 12-pdr, and Surprise, which really should carry 9-pdrs instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) They've built the 1747 Renommee, actually. She was an extremely fast 9-pounder frigate. That leaves our 18-pdr Leda class, 12-pd Belle Poule, the generic 'Frigate,' which could be either 18 or 12-pdr, and Surprise, which really should carry 9-pdrs instead. There are four frigates which are called the Renommée. Frigate of 8-pdr = 1744 Frigate of 12-pdr = 1767 Frigate of 18-pdr = 1805 Frigate of 60-gun of 30-pdr = 1826 8-pdr for La Renommée of 1744. And she is taken in 1747 by Royal Navy. Edited March 8, 2015 by Surcouf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surcouf Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I don't know how the Royal Navy frigate built la Renommée after his capture in 1747. Maybe the Royal Navy was armed with 9-pdr ??? I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share Posted March 8, 2015 French poundage was also a touch higher than RN practice. Though not as much in this period as later. (...) Hmm, I'm not sure it is common to calculate broadside weight based on the actual weight of the shot, instead of the nominal weight of the shot? livre lb ratio (Avoirdupois pounds converted to English pound) 36 40.3 1.119443753 24 26.6 1.108332649 18 20.1 1.116665977 16 18 1.124999306 12 13.4 1.116665977 8 9 1.124999306 avarage 1.118517828 That's all most confusing. My sources say that 1 Livre du roi equalled 1.079 English pounds. Which is ~ 0.040 lb difference with what your numbers give as an average. I have a hard time finding the right number, do you have better information than the numbers as listed in the OP? ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I don't know how the Royal Navy frigate built la Renommée after his capture in 1747. Maybe the Royal Navy was armed with 9-pdr ??? I'm not sure. Yeah, the British put 9-pound guns on her. Although in-game it is possible to arm her with 12-pounders. Just like Surprise. Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) You probably should list the Ocean-class ship in the OP, btw. Edited March 9, 2015 by Arvenski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 You probably should list the Ocean-class ship in the OP, btw. It already is listed.. Just have a look at the grey coloured ships wich mean they are in development The actual first ship built of that class is the "Le commerce de marseille" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 *Forehead slap* How did I not see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Smith Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Can anybody post all ship types screenshots with names? Something like folder...I want do a ship catalog similar to this: http://potbsguides.wix.com/international#!ships/c1jwk Edited March 18, 2015 by Bart Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Id rather like to see the historical cannon counts than just adding in all the chasers. It smells a lot like potbs to me. And maybe some guys expect to have all the 144 guns of the santi on the sides.. Historical: 138 on the side. 6 chasers is 144. Wich is not correct in my understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Well, we have this: But it could do with an update. ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Smith Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) I was thinking more about in game view. Cheers anyway. Not got much time to log in and make nice screenshoots so if somebody can do this post them please:) Edit. Well i found some time and done this: http://www.polskaflotakaperska.pl/#!okrety/c1fjp Edited March 18, 2015 by Bart Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMS Scatter Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I like the pic that has the sckechs in better then the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arvenski Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I know that the devs were asking for info and opinions on 2nd Rates in this thread, so does anyone know if they picked one to add to the game, and which one it might be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 you can add the USS Essex 1799 to the list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_(1799) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Darric Vandhelm Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) Could you add date of disposal and fate? It would complete the list. And great job on the list. Edited April 5, 2015 by Sir Darric Vandhelm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 USS Essex (1799) added to the list. Could you add date of disposal and fate? It would complete the list.And great job on the list. I could, but right now I don't have time to research the fate of each ship in the list. Cheers, Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Could you add date of disposal and fate? It would complete the list. And great job on the list. Mr. Vandhelm, you could check threedecks.org for a disposition on each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Not sure that the Spanish lb is the same as avoirdupois. I have two different regional weights given, but the one associated with gunnery appears to be the heavier. Again, not necessarily the ratio of lb to lb, but the reported high gauge size of a nominal 24 poundage weapon. 1.12 avoirdupios = 1 Spanish. (The relative value of a nominal pound being apparently 1.079, as with French practice, and also a higher gauge) - This broadly makes sense given their tendency to cooperate in Allied fleets for much of their history against the protestant countries of northern Europe. If you are sure about it, I could easily change it. How many grams would a Spanish pound be? ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigand Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Spanish feet are a nuisance as they 'spread' considerably. (279mm (most commonly used) to 566mm), and their local poundages have similar variations. Tell me about it, in the Dutch republic they used different feet in different cities, so far I've encountered 6 different sizes and one reference to miscalculations (in the 17th century) as a result of the difference in length between the Amsterdam foot and the Rijnlandsh foot. Maybe some Spanish forum member has better access to historic sources and can come up with a more definite answer on the weight of a Spanish pound in grams in the 18th century? ~Brigand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Feathersword Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Any update on this for the ships/variations added in the OW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 We should just call the Privateer 'Lynx, Privateer Version' It's still the same American Baltimore clipper, they've just modified the topsides and added a topgallant. Also, Surprise is not the English translation of L'Unite. It's an entirely new name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Feathersword Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I know the "trader" snow and brig exist. Is there any other ships in the OW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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