admin Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Hello Captains Nothing can be more important to the naval architect than a thorough knowledge of the properties of the materials with which he has to deal with. He can use this knowledge to his greatest advantage and thus produce a well proportioned ship of great speed or strength. The properties of timber will be first considered: Bending and elasticity will affect how masts hold together and splinter damage Hardness will affect how hard the wood affecting thickness and time to repair Weight and Gravity will affect HP and speed/acceleration parameter and turn inertia. Durability Will affect repair amount Cost With much bigger quality comes bigger cost Distant woods will of course be more expensive. The base thickness of ships will slightly change as well, as well as acceleration (base accel will be slightly lowered) Caps for certain stats will be increased. Speed cap will slightly increase too, but light woods will be drastically softer. LINK MOVED FOR REFACTORING We like it in general as it amplifies ship qualities and moves away from the standardized teak/white. Please provide feedback on the numbers and stats if you think we missed something. 9 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm3 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, admin said: Hello Captains Nothing can be more important to the naval architect than a thorough knowledge of the properties of the materials with which he has to deal with. He can use this knowledge to his greatest advantage and thus produce a well proportioned ship of great speed or strength. The properties of timber will be first considered: Bending and elasticity will affect how masts hold together and splinter damage Hardness will affect how hard the wood affecting thickness and time to repair Weight and Gravity will affect HP and speed/acceleration parameter and turn inertia. Durability Will affect repair amount Cost With much bigger quality comes bigger cost Distant woods will of course be more expensive. The base thickness of ships will slightly change as well, as well as acceleration (base accel will be slightly lowered) Caps for certain stats will be increased. Speed cap will slightly increase too, but light woods will be drastically softer. Table https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mM1LEvwbt1tXOudiDUpTsT97wum_DvZDEs-S1YrkVBw/edit#gid=1068541350 So the total woods' rebalance is coming to us, yes? But do you have resources to do this along with changes in RvR and implementing new Karma system combined with changes in chats? In reasonable period of time. Because people will most likely postpone crafting ships from expensive woods, waiting for the changes, and if they will have to wait too long, it will lead to additional frustration, bad feelings etc... P. S. The idea of rebalance and overhaul of woods is quite good itself. Edited June 11, 2020 by Malcolm3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cetric de Cornusiac Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) Looking forward to as much diversity as possible. I always disliked the "meta builds" which have been preached like a religious canon for years, like "liveoak/whiteoak is the only acceptable composition" for warships and "fir/fir" for traders. We are having discussions again and again on global chat about the "perfect built" and people come up with their recipes - mainly the two mentioned. So... I love more choices and specific effects connected with certain wood sorts, and any combo possible. Just so the cult of an absolute belief in this or that wood setup gets shattered! Oh the fun of being heretic... Edited June 11, 2020 by Cetric de Cornusiac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) Seems very interesting, I'm looking forward to seeing how the whole system and all it's variations work in-game. All those new stats going to be visible somewhere in-game? Edited June 11, 2020 by Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzo Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Thanks @admin, that is a really really nice one o7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm3 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, admin said: Please provide feedback on the numbers and stats if you think we missed something. Danzic Oak and Danzic Fir should be both called Danzig. Some stats seems too high (Rangoon Teak). Also speed bonus of Rangoon Teak and New England Fir is the same both for Frame and Planking, and the same with other woods - Is that intended? P. S. People will be furious when their super expensive Seasoned ships suddenly will become obsolete - Bermuda Cedar was used for fast speedy ships and now it gets negative speed modifier and White Oak (S) gets 0% HP modifier while now it used for HP-maxed ships. (though I hope stats are still not final). Edited June 11, 2020 by Malcolm3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I might be wrong but I am reading White oak and White oak S with 0% HP bonus? Also Bermuda and Bermuda S with negative speed? Isn't that going against what they are now? So all the ships players already own with those woods become negatively affected? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makrian Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Yep, Bermuda with negative speed. Now i can wreck many ships... it seems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erblington Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Admin, thank you for the announcement, I am very much looking forward to more variety in ship building! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm3 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Never said: Isn't that going against what they are now? So all the ships players already own with those woods become negatively affected? And also the whole seasoning industry along with breaking DLC ships for woods will become useless with these new stats... Hope they will change them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Makrian said: Yep, Bermuda with negative speed. Now i can wreck many ships... it seems. Bermuda needs to be checked again 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm3 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 @admin Can you give us example of how new stats will work. Cause, e.g. Fir(S)/Fir(S) ship will now have +19% speed, while African Oak/African Oak ship will have +29% thickness. Probably Frame and Planking Stats won't simply sum up now, will they? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Never said: I might be wrong but I am reading White oak and White oak S with 0% HP bonus? White oak is generally slightly light in weight than English oak which is used as base. But have more hardness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduard L'Aquila Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Is locking the spreadsheet to just oak woods intentional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm3 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Malcolm3 said: African Oak/African Oak ship will have +29% thickness. Current maxed thickness meta is Live Oak(S)/White Oak(S) - 28% (with new stats +38%) Max thickness with new stats is Live Oak(S)/Locust(S) - 56%, twice amount of old highest number If we add to it Port bonuses and modules... Won't we get pure sailing Ironclad? Edited June 11, 2020 by Malcolm3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain TShirt Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) Can you guys unfilter the sheet? Was super stoked to see all the variations, and some fool with edit access has it filtered to only show oaks! Edited June 11, 2020 by Captain TShirt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzo Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Captain TShirt said: Can you guys unfilter the sheet? Was super stoked to see all the variations, and some fool has it filtered to only oaks! Lol You can just apply a custom filter only visible by you by clicking the little triangles in the column header. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitasalato Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Is the Locust supposed to be a new wood type or just renaming Caguairan, as I don't see it in the list. P.S. Would be nice if you guys could unlock the copy-past options so we can quickly make our own graphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain TShirt Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, Lizzo said: You can just apply a custom filter only visible by you by clicking the little triangles in the column header. Nice! Learn something new every day :) Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman29 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 54 minutes ago, Malcolm3 said: Current maxed thickness meta is Live Oak(S)/White Oak(S) - 28% (with new stats +38%) Max thickness with new stats is Live Oak(S)/Locust(S) - 56%, twice amount of old highest number If we add to it Port bonuses and modules... Won't we get pure sailing Ironclad? Won't be possible. Locust (S) is Caguarian (S) and the second combo isn't allowed. Now, there will still be ironclad ships though out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Is there some reason why Caguairan is not the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikawa Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Makrian said: Yep, Bermuda with negative speed. Now i can wreck many ships... it seems. Let's wait and see before doing too early conclusions. It sounds very interesting I welcome every change that makes woods other than T/WO attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman29 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Callaghan92 said: @Redman29 By looking at the table, it looks like it may be changing so that all woods are available as Planking and Frame, since all the woods have stats for both planking and frame? Well that's broken, considering that's how we avoided ironclad warships from sailing around. I'm saving my formal response until I run the numbers and see how bad it is. Or good but with the new stats to WO, I'm not optimistic. Edited June 11, 2020 by Redman29 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnovaZdorowa Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 400 с лишним комбинаций, при текущей механике получения устанешь собирать одинаковое. не могу понять зачем это... добавьте хотя бы торговца, который будет менять одно на другое. пропорции вопрос баланса Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trawn Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Soo, I dont want to overreact, but does that mean my tk(S) wo(s) ships are now trash? I am not really keen on spending another 1000 plus hours to rebuild my fleet all over again! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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