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[Shaftoe]

Just now, Aceituna said:

I am sorry but US based team? Don't they have offices in Kiev?

IIRC, they are 4 guys dev team. "Offices" are for... somewhat larger companies. Lol.

[Mutsu]

6 minutes ago, Aceituna said:

I am sorry but US based team? Don't they have offices in Kiev?

Do they? I thought they were a US based team, because who else would make games on the US Civil War

Edited May 11, 2020 by Mutsu

[Aceituna]

7 minutes ago, Shaftoe said:

IIRC, they are 4 guys dev team. "Offices" are for... somewhat larger companies. Lol.

According to official website (http://www.game-labs.net/jobs) where they offer jobs, there is written: Office presence will be required occasionally (travel to Kiev will be paid)

Edited May 11, 2020 by Aceituna

[Aceituna]

3 minutes ago, Mutsu said:

Do they? I thought they were a US based team, because who else would make games on the US Civil War

Well if you look into credits in the game menu all names (beside Nick) are kind of eastern.

By the way: why is it weird for non-us team make game about us history? Mafia 1 and 2 are also about US while they are made in Czech Republic.

[DerRichtigeArzt]

24 minutes ago, Mutsu said:

^

That would be my guess, they are a US based dev team so they might release it late in the evening for us in Europe

Aren't they like central/eastern Europe? 

[Mutsu]

3 minutes ago, Aceituna said:

Well if you look into credits in the game menu all names (beside Nick) are kind of eastern.

By the way: why is it weird for non-us team make game about us history? Mafia 1 and 2 are also about US while they are made in Czech Republic.

I don't know as someone who is American, I didn't think anyone cared about US history since the vast majority of Americans couldn't care less about other nation's histories xD

Edited May 11, 2020 by Mutsu

[Cptbarney]

Oh well me thinks it will be released on thursday this week.

if im wrong den whoops.

[DerRichtigeArzt]

8 minutes ago, Mutsu said:

Do they? I thought they were a US based team, because who else would make games on the US Civil War

Well honestly its a subject so touchy that honestly I would not expect an American to even consider making a game about civil war. And God forbid to make the CSS playable. Imagine the media and twitter/tumbler users finding out. 

[Mutsu]

Very fair point, especially with how a lot of people in the US want to go full on Cultural Revolution and erase all evidence of the CSA ever existing.

Edited May 11, 2020 by Mutsu

[Aceituna]

2 minutes ago, Mutsu said:

Very fair point, especially with how a lot of people in the US want to go full on Cultural Revolution and erase all evidence of the CSA ever existing.

Correct me if i am wrong (because i am not american) i thought they dont just ,,want it'' but they actually started doing it (removing statues etc.)

Edited May 11, 2020 by Aceituna

[Mutsu]

3 minutes ago, Aceituna said:

Correct me if i am wrong (because i am not american) i thought they dont just ,,want it'' but they actually started doing it (removing statues etc.)

Of they have, I was born and raised for most of my life in Virginia and they are going all out to those kind of things, I'm surprised they haven't destroyed the Confederate White House in Richmond.

Edited May 11, 2020 by Mutsu

[madham82]

15 minutes ago, Mutsu said:

I don't know as someone who is American, I didn't think anyone cared about US history since the vast majority of Americans couldn't care less about other nation's histories xD

People across all nations frequently don't care about their history or others. That's why history repeats itself so frequently. I will say us Americans are probably some of the worst at it 😄

[Aceituna]

1 hour ago, madham82 said:

 

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Aceituna

[Cptbarney]

16 minutes ago, madham82 said:

People across all nations frequently don't care about their history or others. That's why history repeats itself so frequently. I will say us Americans are probably some of the worst at it 😄

Shame really, here in the UK i rarely see anyone mention anything about british culture in-general. Although ill leave politics at this point since well...this will derail very quickly lol 🙃

[IronKaputt]

13 hours ago, RAMJB said:

As Reaper Jack mentioned, the Deutschlands were diesel powered large warships, and actually historically significant enough as to make the inclusion of diesel as an option mandatory (if it was missing there'd be legion of people demanding the option to use diesels ;)). And of course the "H" battleships were never completed but they had been laid down by the beginning of the war, and they were diesel powered too.

I was unclear about "large" warships, sorry, I meant more grown up battleships then cruiser-size pocket ones. Current top dog H-44 was pretty much ten times heavier then Deutschland at max displacement. And again, it was planned with diesels for cruising and turbines for fun. It seems like you successfully trying to convince me that diesel-only propulsion should actually be restricted to a smaller (armored cruisers and below) ships and plus sized should have combined ones 🙂 Like sonars are currently (unhistorically) not allowed on battleships.

But the same logic goes for early gas turbines. And since modernisation seems like a more popular opinion I don't see why some smaller vessels can't be converted/designed with such tech on late game stage, but still before curtains dropped. If your faction invested heavily enough in it. Again, not insisting, just point the possibility.

I guess we could pretty much say diesel is here because "there'd be legion of people demanding the option" - and don't get me wrong, I'm completely agree with "popular stuff first" policy, since I wish nothing but success for this game. I keep bringing it here because "out of time" is rather vague concept for alternative history and also some ahead of time new engine seems more appropriate for current speed limits and acceleration rates. I like a second coming of Dreadnought idea, but not with the price of realism.

I'm strongly oppose the missiles for example (glide bombs would be bad enough news, thank you very much) since it ruins the aesthetics but more than happy to pay for say 50s DLC to design some last of the mohicans artillery ships with advanced fire control, radars, autoloaders, engines et cetera.

Edited May 11, 2020 by IronKaputt

[Mutsu]

Rip

Guess the update isn't happening today, hopefully tomorrow then

[Nick Thomadis]

Guys we had to add more fixes, for example this one: "Fixed issue that made big guns of smaller caliber to be grouped with secondary guns when player selected targets manually."
So the update will come tomorrow!

[DerRichtigeArzt]

51 minutes ago, Nick Thomadis said:

Guys we had to add more fixes, for example this one: "Fixed issue that made big guns of smaller caliber to be grouped with secondary guns when player selected targets manually."
So the update will come tomorrow!

Its better to wait than to expirience bugs. Great work guys! 

[The Fundamentalist]

1 hour ago, Nick Thomadis said:

Guys we had to add more fixes, for example this one: "Fixed issue that made big guns of smaller caliber to be grouped with secondary guns when player selected targets manually."
So the update will come tomorrow!

So glad this got fixed. It was really weird to have 2 3-gun turrets acting as the main armament and 2 2-gun turrets acting like secondaries 

[NoamChomskyIsHotsky]

5 hours ago, Mutsu said:

Of they have, I was born and raised for most of my life in Virginia and they are going all out to those kind of things, I'm surprised they haven't destroyed the Confederate White House in Richmond.

Rebs mad

[BobRoss0902]

3 hours ago, Nick Thomadis said:

Guys we had to add more fixes, for example this one: "Fixed issue that made big guns of smaller caliber to be grouped with secondary guns when player selected targets manually."
So the update will come tomorrow!

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by BobRoss0902

[Skoggatt]

14 hours ago, disc said:

Marine gas turbines are mainly derived from aircraft engines, so they came into use when jets ruled the skies.

 

You are correct, it was Prinzregent Luitpold. The Bayern-class battleship Sachsen would have used a similar layout, but it was never completed.

There were several combined powerplants used in service during our timeframe, many of them tested in combat. This is not including projects or incomplete ships. 

1. The French destroyers of the Voltigeur class had a three shaft arrangement. The center shaft was driven by a reciprocating steam engine, for cruising. The outer two shafts were driven by turbines, for sprints.
2. The French aircraft carrier Bearn had a four prop arrangement. The center two shafts were driven by steam turbines. The outer two shafts were driven by reciprocating steam engines. Like the Voltigeurs, this was intended to save fuel. However, Bearn was completed in 1927, by which time geared cruising turbines were well-established, and reciprocating steam engines obsolescent.
3. The German light cruisers of the Koenigsberg class had a two prop arrangement. They were originally designed for steam turbine propulsion only, complete with cruising stages. However, "as an afterthought," two small, very lightweight MAN Diesels were squeezed in. These could be used to cruise up to 10.5 knots. These could not be coupled with the turbines, so each shaft could only be powered by either the Diesel or the turbines -- but not both at the same time.
4. The German light cruisers of the Leipzig class had a three prop arrangement. They were designed with a combined plant from the start. The center shaft was powered by a set of Diesels, while the outer shafts were driven by geared turbines without cruising stages. As the Diesels and turbines were on separate shafts, they could all be run at the same time. However, there was a problem: "Where one of the two methods of propulsion had been disengaged and it was required to double-couple [that is, reconnect all engines], all shafts had to be brought to a standstill for about ten minutes while the change was made." That is, the ship would have to stop. Leipzig attempted this in the wrong lane of a channel and was rammed by the heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen. Incidentally, Leipzig also trialed a variable-pitch propeller, which was entirely unsuccessful and eventually replaced by a fixed prop.
5. The Japanese seaplane carriers / light aircraft carriers of the Chitose class had a two prop arrangement with a combined turbine/Diesel plant. Unfortunately, I do not know many details. I suspect that it was an "and/or" arrangement, where either Diesels or turbines could drive each shaft separately or all of them could run together simultaneously.
6. The Japanese training cruisers of the Katori class had a two prop arrangement with a combined turbine/Diesel plant. It was an "and/or" arrangement, where either Diesels or turbines could drive each shaft separately or all of them could run together simultaneously. All engines would run together to get the ship to top speed -- a sedate 18 knots. I suspect that the Japanese system had the same issue as the Leipzig class, where the ship would have to stop to clutch and de-clutch different engines.

In all these ships, the idea was to save fuel by using a more efficient reciprocating engine.

It really comes down to the main problem of direct drive turbines: They have terrible efficiency when running below full steam, so such a ship can be fast, but not long legged. In reality, very few actual warships were equipped with just the high speed direct drive turbines. I only know of a few early British destroyers, and those were basically tech demonstrators and not practical warships. There were a number of answers: the most common was to pair the high speed engines with a couple of smaller "cruising turbines" optimized for lower speeds. The French also tried pairing turbines with VTE engines, the Germans paired turbines with diesels, and the US implemented turbo-electric drives which solved the problem by running the turbines at full steam to generate power and throttling the shafts via electric motor. Ultimately, geared turbines solved the problem at a lower weight and cost once gearboxes that didn't explode were developed. By World War 2 everyone was using geared turbines for the most part, but turbo-electric and diesel electric drives were used on some US destroyer escorts as the electric drives allowed them to change course and speed more rapidly while making a depth charge attack.

The use of pure diesel diesel propulsion on Deutschland was both for efficiency and because they required fewer men to maintain, both important for long raiding missions. Look at the difference in crew size between Deutschland and Hipper, a lot of that was due to the engineering requirements of the two.It also saved weight when the Germans were somewhat trying (and still failing) to adhere to the Versailles treaty. On the other hand diesel was more expensive per HP, required more expensive fuel, and more prone to battle damage. Honestly, the combination of factors that lead the Germans to use diesel power were so specific that I don't think diesel propulsion would very often be the best choice if it's modeled historically in game.

 

[Reaper Jack]

1 hour ago, Skoggatt said:

use of pure diesel diesel propulsion on Deutschland was both for efficiency and because they required fewer men to maintain, both important for long raiding missions. Look at the difference in crew size between Deutschland and Hipper, a lot of that was due to the engineering requirements of the two.It also saved weight when the Germans were somewhat trying (and still failing) to adhere to the Versailles treaty. On the other hand diesel was more expensive per HP, required more expensive fuel, and more prone to battle damage. Honestly, the combination of factors that lead the Germans to use diesel power were so specific that I don't think diesel propulsion would very often be the best choice if it's modeled historically in game.

 

Correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't diesel also give a longer effective range? (Either due to better efficiency per HP or the fact that things broke less on the Deutschlands?) 

[baltic1284]

1 hour ago, Reaper Jack said:

Correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't diesel also give a longer effective range? (Either due to better efficiency per HP or the fact that things broke less on the Deutschlands?) 

The Diesel Engines on the Deutschland class did give better range for weight and efficiency of use HP per use of fuel. The weight savings came in the fact you didn't need heavier boilers and turbines on the ship that weight could be used in other areas like armor guns and to carry more fuel.

HP measured amount of fuel came in the fact compared to boilers which required x amount of coal and or oil to heat y amount of water to c amount of tempter to boil properly for use on the ship to move z amount of speed.

When you look at that the diesels they where better especially for range and weight savings, as far as reliability, the Diesel where less reliable on warships than boilers, for two main reasons, 1 the amount of moving parts on a Diesel engine requires more parts to be repaired if damaged, reason why U boots and submarines where so hard to maintain to peek performance as the war went on the parts needed became less and less reliable and harder to get especially ball bearings.

2 The fact the Diesel Engines needed water to keep theme now yes the ocean is full of water but it needed clean water with no dirt and material in it as that can plug up the water jackets inside the engine. That was one of the reasons way the Deutschland ported where it did was for the better water  to keep the Engines cool properly and do less internal damage to the engines themselves. This makes Diesel Engines limited on where they can go to operate safely and efficiently I don't care what government is in power, repairs and spent money defines all things that are built. Especially on warships that can cost millions of collars per ship.

Boilers of some kind where used clear up till modern ships like the Ticos and Burks and so forth which use Jet Engines for there power source as they are also light and reliable engine wise on warships. 

[Cptbarney]

Well at least that got fixed lol.