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She was a fast career "labor" trader true that. Any breakdown anywhere of all the alterations done to her ? I would assume she got flushed for extra hold and living space.

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It usually tell us that it's a Privateer ship. Fast and Maneuverable. 

You have that backwards.

 

A high stern means windage and leewardliness, which is anathema to privateers.

 

 

 

She was a fast career "labor" trader true that. Any breakdown anywhere of all the alterations done to her ? I would assume she got flushed for extra hold and living space

No one has any idea what she looked like. The model is just an educated guess.

 

And cutting off upper works will reduce your living space. There's not much that can be done to increase cargo capacity without harming performance and safety.

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Surely anything similar to the original Guineman ( Concorde ) is able to be found ?

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Funny that they say that they went with the theory that the Concord/QAR was english-built and then chose Le Mercure as a base (and without a spritsail topmast, which the QAR certainly had).

If she really was an english-built merchant, then she´d have looked more like a demi-batterie in her 40-gun config. Maybe something like this, but a bit smaller:

 

 

 

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On 8/20/2017 at 7:36 AM, Malachi said:

Funny that they say that they went with the theory that the Concord/QAR was english-built and then chose Le Mercure as a base (and without a spritsail topmast, which the QAR certainly had).

If she really was an english-built merchant, then she´d have looked more like a demi-batterie in her 40-gun config. Maybe something like this, but a bit smaller:

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It appears it was the North Carolina Maritime Museum that chose La Mercure for their model, not the game devs.

Got any info about the earliest full-rigged ships to dispense with the spritsail topmast? Most source emphasize on its being retain by warships, rather than the novelty of the modern jibboom and flying jib.

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8 hours ago, maturin said:

It appears it was the North Carolina Maritime Museum that chose La Mercure for their model, not the game devs.

And the game devs modelled their QAR according to the plans of the NC museum :)

 

8 hours ago, maturin said:

Got any info about the earliest full-rigged ships to dispense with the spritsail topmast? Most source emphasize on its being retain by warships, rather than the novelty of the modern jibboom and flying jib.

Hm...as an educated guess: the smaller ships usually were used as the guinea pigs for rig experiments, so it´s probable that 6th rates got this 'update' first...maybe the 20-gun ships of the 1719 Establishment? The AotS Blandford might have some clues about those rig changes and there are a lot of contemporary early 18th century models of smaller vessels in the NMM, although the rig usually is 'younger' than the model itself and may have gotten modernised during restorations.

  Gonna check it this evening :)

 

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Here we have Queen Anne's Revenge ship in Black Sails serial .

 

It's like a galleon. 

 

That...thing is an abomination, not a galleon.

 

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Enjoy the real revenge ship. ;)

 

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http://www.ageofsail.net/qar-1.asp

 

From the link:

CAD design of the Queen Anne's Revenge. The design has been created from a variety of contemporary designs, and from what little can be deduced from historical anecdotal information, including info available from her likely wreck-site.

That´s interesting...because the model looks very much like L' Aurore :P

 

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Also multiple sources state that Teach had 3 or 4 ships as his flagship, which he all called Queen Anne's Revenge.

So depending on the time period she could be complete different ships, but all the sources state that she was an captured merchantman, which was redesigned for 40-50 guns (a lot for a pirate ship). I that teach had one Fluyt or some other Dutch merchantman at one point in time as his flagship. (although the ship was captured during a fight with either France or Great Britain)

 

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She was a 6lb ship. Probably 20-22 guns on the gun deck, , maybe a few more in a demi-battery and the rest galliard pieces in the region of 3lb and 1 lb swivels, there, in the waist and in the tops.

'40 guns' isn't an official rating, just a listing of an estimate of how many pieces she was carrying, by an 'impressed' non-expert.

I haven't seen anything credible suggesting anything over 6lb ordnance (so the Demi battery doesn't look to be a typical 9lb one if present), and the wreck website was cagey about the ratio of the different recovered calibres... and they are (understandably) more excited about the few 6lb pieces they identify, than the smaller pieces which are more 'glossed over'. They would certainly be all over the suggestion of 9lb guns...

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This is a model based on the plans and info acquired of the Slave ship La Concorde (1710), which is the ship Blackbeard captured and converted for his use, and renamed to Queen Anne’s Revenge (1717). There is of course dispute about her being a French-Dutch built, French-French built, and of course English built. We have gone by the idea of the English built La Concorde. This is first of all since we like  the style, and that it has been easier to acquire info about this theory.

We have used the artwork, plans and pictures of the model that sits in North Carolina Maritime Museum.

https://www.tidesofwargame.com/

 

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As of November 2015, a total of 30 cannons have been identified on the Queen Anne’s Revenge shipwreck site (including a bronze signal gun). Of the 24 currently recovered, 8 have completed conservation and are on display in various museums throughout the state of North Carolina. Sizes range from ½- to 6-pounder, indicating the size of the cannon ball the cannon fires. Once concretion is removed from the surface of a cannon, details such as the placement of reinforcement rings, stamps, and engravings give clues about when and in what country the cannon was made. So far, cannons on Queen Anne’s Revenge come from England and Sweden, they range in date from approximately 1640 to 1714, and at least 9 of them were found loaded!

Updated 03/02/18 Courtney Page

 

 

 Artifacts associated with the cannon include iron cannon balls and bar shot, lead aprons or touch-hole covers, langrage, and possible carriage hardware.

Small arms include a variety of gun parts, a handful of semi-complete firearms, and hudreds of thousands of lead shot. Although no complete bladed weapons have been discovered, a few intriguing fragments have been found. In addition, about two dozen hand grenades were recovered.

These artifacts relating to arms and armament include artillery, ammunition, and personal arms.

  • Artillery consists mostly of the ship's cannon, ammunition, and related equipment.
  • Personal Arms includes the intact firearms and fragmented gun parts, their ammunition, hand grenades, and bladed weapons.

 

 

Author: 
Courtney Page, QAR Lab Manager

March 2017 is the start of an exciting period in pirate and maritime history. La Concorde, the French vessel that would later become Blackbeard’s famed flagship, began its final voyage on this day in 1717.  Join us over the next two years as we follow this ill-fated trip and the life of Blackbeard and his Queen Anne’s Revenge.

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Light frigate from 1675-1680 that is similar to the structure of La Concorde.

On March 13, 1717*, La Concorde began its third voyage as a slave vessel. It sailed down the river Loire from Nantes, loaded with a crew of 75 men and 16 cannon, and headed for the coast of Guinea. Although very little is known about the origins of the ship, historical documents from a variety of French archives tell us that La Concorde served multiple purposes during its life. We know the ship was owned by the well-known businessman Rene Montaudoin when it sailed from France as a privateer during Queen Anne’s War in 1710. The crew of that voyage captured several slave vessels along the triangle route to the west coast of Africa and Martinique before staying in the Caribbean during the spring and summer of 1711. At the end of the war, Montaudoin added La Concorde to his fleet of slave vessels, and it completed two voyages, returning to France in 1714 and 1716. As a privateer, La Concorde carried 26 guns, which can be considered heavily armed. While attack by pirates was still a concern following the war, after two slave voyages without incident, the armament of La Concorde had been reduced to 16 guns, with little expectation for any danger. The crew could not have foreseen that this third trip was destined to be a difficult one…

*The original French documents state the date as March 24. However, the French calendar in the 18th century differed from the English calendar by 11 days. The date used here (March 13) corresponds to the 18th-century English calendar for consistency.

Sources:
-Deposition of François Ernaud, “27 avril 1718. La Concorde de Nantes prise et pillée par les forbans.” Archives départmentales de Loire-Atlantique, Nantes B 4578 f° 56V& s.
-Ducoin, Jacques. Barbe-Noire et le négrier La Concorde. Grenoble, France: Éditions Glénat, 2010.
 
https://www.qaronline.org/blog/2017-03-13/day-slave-ship-sets-sail
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On 24 août 2018 at 12:31 AM, Lord Vicious said:

 

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This si le Mercure, marchand ship. Monograph and drawings by Jean Boudriont. :)

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