felelo Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 For me the Trincomalee is already a little bit to young... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioneod Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 if the constitution are the only us ships they add ill be dissapointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 if the constitution are the only us ships they add ill be dissapointed Lynx + Consti and the Rattlesnake is on the List of the Ships that they want to bring ingame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hood Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 If we are to disregard timelines then can the Brits have HMS Warrior! (Forgive me for the sarcasm). I don't think that we should implement this behemoth as it is out of the timeframe. Look for ships of the line within the time zone and just because one nation gets a 140 gun ship (Spain) does not mean that all nations should be entitled to one. Every ship had strengths and weaknesses and the Trinidad had far more weaknesses than strengths as can be seen from many reports of her day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 and the later 4deckers are to unsave you had to be so carefull on using the sails wich means you ahd to plan the manouvers 1hour in advance. and i like the Indi far more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchurkjeBoefje Posted January 29, 2015 Share Posted January 29, 2015 Hmmm let's see...very late design, much later construction, probably benefits from artillery enhancements, negligible career, would cause immediate imbalance problems. How about no? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerrialKiller Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 The date is way to late to be ingame it would have advantages above the older ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JebUSMC Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I think there are plenty of other choices besides USS Pennsylvania. You have the USS Independence, USS Washington, USS Franklin, USS Columbus, USS Delaware, USS Ohio, and USS North Carolina. All rated between 74 and 90 guns. All carrying a variety of long and medium 32-pounders, 32-pounder carronades, and 42-pounders. If they are built anywhere close to as sturdy as the United States class frigates they'll be pretty stout. As far as first rates go, several were laid down but only the USS Pennsylvania was ever completed and she was obsolete by the time she sailed. She made only one short voyage and then sat in Norfolk for 23 years until burned to prevent the Confederacy from capturing her. If she'd been completed on time she'd have truly been a wonder and probably more than a match for any other 1st rate out there but even then she'd sit on the very edge of this game's time period. Its debatable as to which side of that edge she'd be on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Realistically, one on one combat, yeah it's going to be really freaking good but if it is outnumbered, it'll come down eventually. Also, the HMS is an ironclad and is way out of the time frame in both start and actual finish. I am sure the Pennsylvania could be insanely expensive. I haven't played EVE but I have seen many post regarding it for example, well imagine you have a battleship vs 1 frigate, yeah the battleship will win. This game has multiple elements that can affect the outcome of a battle like wind, if a smaller ship has the wind over the Penn then I am sure it can win or at least flee. In the end, I leave it to the Dev's, I understand and accept the we (The US) didn't have a large quantity of ships around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Alvarez Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 If we are to disregard timelines then can the Brits have HMS Warrior! (Forgive me for the sarcasm). I don't think that we should implement this behemoth as it is out of the timeframe. Look for ships of the line within the time zone and just because one nation gets a 140 gun ship (Spain) does not mean that all nations should be entitled to one. Every ship had strengths and weaknesses and the Trinidad had far more weaknesses than strengths as can be seen from many reports of her day. I'll see your Warrior, and I'll raise you Zheng He's flagship: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoRossolini Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Could we aim for ships which aren't from the US? Pretty please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Feathersword Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The US player base needs to get their heads around the fact that up to the end of Napoleonic Wars the US did not have any ships of note and they did not have rated ships. They built ships for the RN and thats about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchurkjeBoefje Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I'll see your Warrior, and I'll raise you Zheng He's flagship: LOL. That's an interesting design. Did that thing even 'work'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetworth Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I've said it before; I'll say it again. Every American ship ever made should be in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I've said it before; I'll say it again. Every American ship ever made should be in game. In that case, I'll take one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 LOL. That's an interesting design. Did that thing even 'work'? Well, no. It's a speculative model, based on reports of length and size that are hardly credible. Even today we would have a damned hard time building a wooden vessel that size that wouldn't split in half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExGavalonnj1 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Lol I was actually going to post about the USS PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Hazard Perry Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I would love to see the USS Pennsylvania in game. Of course it would be with its originally designed 1816 fittings and not with its 1840's upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Vicious Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 tbh i think right now game lack middle class ships 50-70 cannons pretty much there is frigates-bellona>big ships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Alvarez Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 LOL. That's an interesting design. Did that thing even 'work'? Apparently. Zheng He's flagships had nine masts, were allegedly over 400 feet long, 170 wide and he sailed them as far as Africa in his journeys. Scared the Hell out of the locals when he'd show up with 300 ships and almost 30,000 men. But that was the whole point I suppose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchurkjeBoefje Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Apparently. Zheng He's flagships had nine masts, were allegedly over 400 feet long, 170 wide and he sailed them as far as Africa in his journeys. Scared the Hell out of the locals when he'd show up with 300 ships and almost 30,000 men. But that was the whole point I suppose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He Allegedly...I'm much more inclined to go with maturin here and say those models are speculative exxageration. I mean, unless the Chinese had some *really* revolutionary building techniques or managed to reinforce that ship with metal, that thing would simply start slowly disconstructing itself in anything stiffer than a stiff breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Please don't let this game end up like world of tanks with everybody ending up using out of period prototypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I've said it before; I'll say it again. Every American ship ever made should be in game. Maybe eventually. But I think that the more significant navies of the period deserve a few ships first. Just my humble opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joegrag Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I've said it before; I'll say it again. Every American ship ever made should be in game. please stop being an american.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Hazard Perry Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Well being in construction before the end period one could hardly call it a Prototype plus there is no reason it cant be at it its original 1816 specs. Plus it would have been launched earlier than 1837 but budget constraints SIGNIFICANTLY slowed her construction by several years. If it was not for the monetary problems there is a strong possibility that the USS Pennsylvania could have been launched as early as 1829 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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