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Well once again a single clan will impact on a nation. HAVOC are jumping ship to the Swedes. As they are the owners of San Juan they can hand it to the Swedes on a plate uncontested and appear to be doing just that.

When the clan based system was introduced I was not alone when I thought that this wasn't a great move. I said to myself at the time that if clan politics screwed me over I was going to reassess my position in this game. It appears that time has come with HAVOC doing just that, creating havoc. With everything that HAVOCs actions imply and impact on I am beginning to wonder why I bother to invest time in this game just so a poor game mechanic can once again screw it all over. I and others now have wasted a lot of time moving resources out so we can at least have something to start with dare I say it again. I am wondering where this is fun or enjoyable because to be honest it is nothing but a pain in the ARSE! Yet again have to farm Dubloons, reals etc to rebuild due to another clans actions within a nation.

The new players who have spent hours building infrastructure have been hung out to dry by this brutally stupid clan owned port mechanic. If the developers insist on having port bonus' in game then they need to ensure that every nation/faction/player and or clan has access to it in a safe port with full 55pt capability. Though for me the best thing to do would be get rid of port bonus' and allow Clans to build TRADING only port control.

For me I'll do my bit help the clan move but then I am taking a break from this idiocy - I'll go play on the PvE server so I can fight PvP while fighting AI's. At least then no individual clan decision will impact on how the game is played. Game is for me broken - go back to Nations and get rid of this Clan port dominance when it impacts on ship building - clan trade ownership no problems. Clans fighting together as a group great encourage it but clans owning ship building rights and ports ..... nope not interested as it unbalances the game.  

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Well once again, we in Dk-NG will face a hard time. Been there before and will be there again. With Havoc leaving(I do understand them, so no bad feelings from me), the Danish nation is soon without a  crafting port. Only ports in the Danish area are 35 points, so lets just be honest, Oure ships won't be as competive as those from most other nations. As the port yet haven't been developed. So the Danish nation is in need of:

750 Cm, 350 Vm and  350.000 dubs. Depend on what is upgraded.

50.000 dubs, 50 Vm and 2000 tools. To build a teak port

Next point is to decide witch port to upgrade and how to spend oure investment.

There has already been made investments in Spanish Town. Gunnery 1, Sailing 2, Hul 0, Mast 1 and Crew 1. We now is faced with a hard choice. Do we keep investing in Spanish town? to get most out of it, we would have to remove forts, and next how do we upgrade the port.

We can with all 35 points make a level 3 on all bonuses. I will make decent ships, but with no advantage in any area compared to the nations we would fight against, where they with there 45 point ports will have at least one are where they will be stronger. So anybody have some advice on what to chose, plz feel free to share you opinion. Next is if we even can keep Spanish town. Some Swedish clans for sure would like it.

Then there is ofc the shipyards that need to be rebuild. Guess that is around 80 k dubs and 5 mill reals ore something like that. With the Danish nation soon down to only the Spanish Town frontline system, it will take month before the Danish nation will be in any shape again.

I was stopped playing more than a couple of hours a week. No PvP and PvE. Just taking ressources. But if the nation will unite, those few left in trying to get a decent start for new players in the Danish nation, I will try to do my part to.

But for now take it easy until there is a plan in DK-NG.

Was not going to get back om forum, neither will I spend much time on it. Maybe a small update in here on how the Danish nation develops. But that will be all for me. I do hope we can come together and still make the game playable for those, that like to sail under the only true flag.

 

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they can do as they want, they are entitled to do as they want. 

However, the forged papers dlc was imo how it was delivered a terrible mistake which makes people able to do this once a month with little to no penalty (can trade ships and resources to an alt, swap nation then trade back), and in my opinion the forged papers should business wise, balance wise, and logical wise be a one time payments for 1x forged papers to use, they could even have the same price for it or even lower, they would still make much more money than they did with the dlc, people would probably not swap nations that much and would hopefully think twice before doing so.

Also remembering admin saying the forged paper lets the player wipe out his identity and start as new for a chance for a fresh start. Well, this doesent make a whole lot of sense because which NPC would give out unlimited amounts of forged paper for just a small price to pay and would take the full risk of selling illegal papers. People can say all they want about the game is released etc, but some of these things are actually many of the reason why the playerbase on the pvp server has been halved in 4 months (see swapping to Russia instead of fighting back)

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4 hours ago, I Shot Got said:

When the clan based system was introduced I was not alone when I thought that this wasn't a great move. I said to myself at the time that if clan politics screwed me over I was going to reassess my position in this game. It appears that time has come with HAVOC doing just that, creating havoc. With everything that HAVOCs actions imply and impact on I am beginning to wonder why I bother to invest time in this game just so a poor game mechanic can once again screw it all over. I and others now have wasted a lot of time moving resources out so we can at least have something to start with dare I say it again. I am wondering where this is fun or enjoyable because to be honest it is nothing but a pain in the ARSE! Yet again have to farm Dubloons, reals etc to rebuild due to another clans actions within a nation

1. Whoever you are you didn't invest in San Juan. The only clans that invested a considerable amount in San Juan were HAVOC, BOCAR and the now clan called LAMA. So you benefited from that clanbased portmechanic in the first place.

2. A nation based portmechanic would not change a thing because denmark is in no state to defend ANY port. The pvp kills of the nation without a inactive HAVOC and BOCAR (that even in a inactive state have the most kills) is about 10 max. With allmost noone being online.

After the answer of admin that no BR change or alliancemechanic is coming We feel that it's the better decision to change nation instead of stop playing again.

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49 minutes ago, rediii said:

1. Whoever you are you didn't invest in San Juan. The only clans that invested a considerable amount in San Juan were HAVOC, BOCAR and the now clan called LAMA. So you benefited from that clanbased portmechanic in the first place.

2. A nation based portmechanic would not change a thing because denmark is in no state to defend ANY port. The pvp kills of the nation without a inactive HAVOC and BOCAR (that even in a inactive state have the most kills) is about 10 max. With allmost noone being online.

After the answer of admin that no BR change or alliancemechanic is coming We feel that it's the better decision to change nation instead of stop playing again.

He is in DNP. They did invest in SJ. I was for a time in DNP, and handed over dubs and CM to Bocar. 
I am in Bocar now. But lets not focus on you leaving. You have nothing to do with the game mechanic. Insted the focus is if the nation will rally to rebuild ore colaps.

Danes is just to tough to not rebuild. We will, no doubt in my heart. Then we again will hunt swedish captains

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4 hours ago, Beeekonda said:

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54 minutes ago, Mascarino said:

Bad news indeed, another dead nation, joining the Poland, Prussia and France group. 

Dk isen’t dead. We will rebuild. Would be nice if we had a 45 point port.

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rediii (whoever you are)

1. Whoever you are you didn't invest in San Juan. The only clans that invested a considerable amount in San Juan were HAVOC, BOCAR and the now clan called LAMA. So you benefited from that clanbased portmechanic in the first place.

I must be having a psychotic break or maybe I'm senile, all those false memories I have of gathering Dubloons, Materials etc and freely handing them over to contribute towards infrastructure when requests for help were put in national chat. Damn what was I drinking, smoking or taking that made me think that, like others, I actually contributed to the port. Maybe because I didn't have a clan tag or belong to one of the above clans it's all a fake memory.

I don't begrudge you the choice to change nation. That is entirely up to the individuals involved and your reasons for doing so may well be valid (164 players on today at one stage).

I am attempting to point out the inconsistency's of individual clans controlling one of the most important pieces of infrastructure that the game uses and the impact this has on players overall. I stand by my statement that if Port Bonus' are here to stay then every player regardless of nation, clan or even an individual player should have access to the capability of constructing ships on a level footing with other players.

As for you rediii, you are correct you don't know me and I don't know you, suffice it to say I don't need to know you.

 

Spy

 

 

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1 hour ago, I Shot Got said:

I don't begrudge you the choice to change nation. That is entirely up to the individuals involved and your reasons for doing so may well be valid (164 players on today at one stage).

You realize the clanleaderboard stats are wrong? Or what do you mean with 164 players on today?

1 hour ago, I Shot Got said:

I must be having a psychotic break or maybe I'm senile, all those false memories I have of gathering Dubloons, Materials etc and freely handing them over to contribute towards infrastructure when requests for help were put in national chat. Damn what was I drinking, smoking or taking that made me think that, like others, I actually contributed to the port. Maybe because I didn't have a clan tag or belong to one of the above clans it's all a fake memory.

I'm talking about considerable investmens. If you gather 10k dubs and invested them once I don't realy give a shit about because it is nothing compared to all investments.

Also I ofc don't know your name, so. EDIT: Oh yea in DNP. Well.

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2 hours ago, rediii said:

Also I ofc don't know your name, so. EDIT: Oh yea in DNP. Well.

DNP aint so bad as you try to paint them. You talk nice enough of Bocar. We are all old DNP player. We where only 3 PvP players. But er had time to do so because we only took care of oure self. DNPdid a fine job for new players.

Ofc ppl are upset. Basicly we are screwed as players, unless we are ready to leave the nation. We will at max sail 35 point ships. All others will sail atleast 45. On top on that, the grind to upgrade ST and build new shipyard, forge and workshop will take ppl month. 
I don’t blame you. Wrote that to you in a pm Yesterday, but best part is that nobody can hide behind a crafting port. You made thst very clear, that in war there is only the right of the strong.

Again I do witch you good luck in Seweden. 

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38 minutes ago, Bubba Smith said:

Note to self Another reason to avoid PvP. 

Nope do think most ppl had a fun night and more will proberbly come.

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I Mean we all expected this, it was only a matter of time. And maybe we are the ones who made the mistake knowing it was eventually going to happen. .Those 24 hours we had to pack our shit was nice and classy. Ihz great game mechanics.😜 Now lets try and defend the port, oh wait we can't since we've all been removed from friends list, as if we would of had enough anyway but just to rub salt in the wound. 

Now lets enjoy crafting our non port bonus ships and have some "fun".  😁

*grabs popcorn* 

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rediii,

 

My being in DNP has nothing to do with this discussion any more than you being in HAVOC. I am questioning a broken mechanic and you delivered it, by your actions, the way to highlight it.

At no point have I mentioned the clan leaderboard. The 164 I mentioned was how many people in TOTAL were on the server while I was on.

As for how much I put forward 10.000 dubs is way under the mark in one 3 day period alone I put in 40.000 dubs in by myself and I contributed far more as well I didn't contribute it as a member of DNP but as a player who put national interest first. I put off what I was building for myself to ensure that the nation was in a stronger position. The issue here is clan control rather than national control of an important asset.

While you justify your decision to hand over the port to your new chums everyone who has invested in the infrastructure including infrastructure they have built for themselves is loosing out.

I think what you said below in your announcement to the nation pretty much sums it up. I'll let others decide what meaning they wish to take from it. To me this is an excellent example of why Clan ownership should be removed.

Spy

 

 

redii

@everyone Sorry. We decided to move to sweden because there is no BR change or alliance mechanic in sight. This nation is not active anymore and I can only suggest everyone to move away from denmark aswell. It won't have a nice future. If you move to sweden I can talk with clans of sweden to fund you a start (as a clan). I think 1 shipyard lvl 3 (60.000 dubs) and ~3 million reals should be realistic for the clans that are still here. Maybe it will be less but I will try what I can. For transperency: HAVOC is receiving 120k dubs and 15 mil reals to set up again in sweden. I have no clue yet how many active HAVOC players will move aswell so maybe we can help out aswell. Probably popular questions: - What happens with the teamspeak? The contract is canceled ~2020 april. It will stay like it is now. If some clanleader wants serveradmin I can give it to him - What happens with the danish discord? Same as teamspeak - What happens with San Juan We will take San Juan as Sweden - Spanish town? I will heavily argue against taking spanish town. Realisticly I can not defend spanish town when I'm in sweden though. I will heavily argue against it and won't attack it (Ofc if no immense drama and insults are thrown around due to this nationchange) - More questions? Ask and I'll give you a honest answer. Just please stay human and don't start your question with a insult.

 

 

 

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Well @I Shot Got game mechanic isen’t Havoc’s table and I Guess a 55 port was to much to resist.

Two things might happend. Ppl take up the challange, ore they move nation/stop. Think all will happend in the nation. 
We are starting to upgrade a port, but will ofc only be a 35 point port. But don’t worry as everybody tells. Portbonus dosen’t really matter. So the Danish nation will be a nice small nation, but basicly the players won’t matter for content in the game.

I do understand the Danish players that move to a bigger nation. Some are talking abouth britts and other Russia. Russia most to help screw over Havoc. They also care for the nation, and the words from Havoc in the Danish nation chat Yesterday was clear enough. Talk bad about them, do anything that upset them, and they will burn the rest of the nation down.

We all knew it would happend eventually. Lots of ppl told devs time after time. They will not change it. 

Me personally, Well I was allready inactive more ore less. This has little to do with it. But ofc dosen’t make it any easier to find the motivation to come back. I’ll proberbly just pop on once and again to see what happens. But to rebuild is not impossible. I personally payed Yesterday for upgrading the first level in all port bonus and if I wanted I could have made the second to.

Best advice just play and have fun.

We stopped(Bocar clan), not because of losing the port, but because we disagree with the game design in overall.

- Badly designed port bonus

- A frontline that simply dosen’t work

- The grind, that we where actually good at it. Bud just killing of pop.
- Magic Wind buff(bad design) and radars(captain’s log) and also ofc teleporters(loki). Haven’t used one my self.

-Focus of only design the game to one playstyle.

So all in all the game just is imo bad designed. And before somebody as allways say. Go play on the PvE, ore you just are affraid. As @rediii even semi inactive we where in top of the leaderboard. We 3 guys that did PvP had around 6-10 kills a day. And also in ore around most Pb’s.

Game just lost us, but wish a fair Wind to all.

Best regard

Staunberg.
 

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when HAVOC decides to leave Sweden then that's their choice.

to blame a clan for moving around to find a place to pvp more or to have a group who wants to RvR or do anything that the clan is looking for is weak.

The mechanics were setup this way at the beginning of the release, but only just now it's a problem because.....you relied on a port that wasn't owned by you? the clan owning the port is entirely within their right to decide what happens to it.

a 35 pt port can be setup for crafting w/ port bonuses in these ways (no forts/towers)

3/3/3/3/3

or

4/3/3/2/2

or

4/3/3/2 and 3 defenses (since mast bonus is terrible)

since your clan I assume owns a 35 pt port, I'm sure you can manage.

alternatively you could work to fighting and taking some ports, or make deals with other nations to purchase ships or ports to invest in. It does require some effort.

 

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10 minutes ago, Teutonic said:

when HAVOC decides to leave Sweden then that's their choice.

to blame a clan for moving around to find a place to pvp more or to have a group who wants to RvR or do anything that the clan is looking for is weak.

The mechanics were setup this way at the beginning of the release, but only just now it's a problem because.....you relied on a port that wasn't owned by you? the clan owning the port is entirely within their right to decide what happens to it.

a 35 pt port can be setup for crafting w/ port bonuses in these ways (no forts/towers)

3/3/3/3/3

or

4/3/3/2/2

or

4/3/3/2 and 3 defenses (since mast bonus is terrible)

since your clan I assume owns a 35 pt port, I'm sure you can manage.

alternatively you could work to fighting and taking some ports, or make deals with other nations to purchase ships or ports to invest in. It does require some effort.

 

Yes you can use your 35 points many ways. But are you trying to tell me they will give the same bonus as a 45, ore are you try telling me portbonus actually dob’t matter.

There is allways away around most issues. If ppl want. If ppl chose to do it ore not, Well thats there choise. But doubt most will.

A few will stay and develop a 35 port. Just to PvE. 

Best players will proberbly go to a bigger nation.

Me I casual play a bit. 1-2 h a week, and then just stay inactive. Game just isen’t to my liking. And I was allready going inactive before we lost SJ. Beside they make the game right. 2 things can proberbly bring me back. My son and the second thing, Well thats for me to know.

Btw most give a shit abouth Havoc leaving. Just dob’t once more to grind to upgrade a port and make a shipyard. It is not abouth Havoc, but mechanic.

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What you said seems to me very much something that happened in the game Taikodom (bankrupt), the players themselves ruined the game and made it impossible to play and the company did nothing to prevent it from happening.

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1 hour ago, Bryan Von Gyldenloeve said:

Yes you can use your 35 points many ways. But are you trying to tell me they will give the same bonus as a 45, ore are you try telling me portbonus actually dob’t matter.

There is allways away around most issues. If ppl want. If ppl chose to do it ore not, Well thats there choise. But doubt most will.

A few will stay and develop a 35 port. Just to PvE. 

Best players will proberbly go to a bigger nation.

Me I casual play a bit. 1-2 h a week, and then just stay inactive. Game just isen’t to my liking. And I was allready going inactive before we lost SJ. Beside they make the game right. 2 things can proberbly bring me back. My son and the second thing, Well thats for me to know.

Btw most give a shit abouth Havoc leaving. Just dob’t once more to grind to upgrade a port and make a shipyard. It is not abouth Havoc, but mechanic.

to be completely fair - HAVOC moving also means they have to completely rebuild all their buildings as well.

and hey, 35 pts became 40 in the hotfix.

the mechanic has been there since the beginning, I find it interesting that we choose to complain about it right now.

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