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Hey folks,

 

I love the array of classes already available, but there a few others I'd love to see:

 

  1.   WWII Era Heavy Cruisers: IJN Takao Class, USN Portland Class, KM Deutschland Class, KM Admiral Hipper Class, RM Zara Class, RN County Class  Addressed. Thank you to the Devs for your great work!
  •   These CAs were generally Treaty limited to max 8" armaments (except the Kriegsmarine), and had a sleeker profile than the CAs currently on offer in the game.
  • @Nick Thomadis I'm sure some of these are probably already in development, and the list is by no means exhaustive. It'd be cool to see this as another thematic element and as a compliment to advances in BBs from WWI to WWII.

       2. Late Monitor/ Coastal Defense Ships: FN Väinämöinen Class, MB Deodoro Class, A-HN(KuK) Monarch Class, KDM (HDMS) Niels Juel Class. @Nick Thomadis Can you let us know if this is a possibility?

  • This is a bit of a messy category, but essentially these were short range littoral defense ships deployed by smaller powers. Their shallow draft meant they remained fairly close to home port, but could provide significant defensive capability for the home coast. In many cases, these ships fielded heavy 9" and 10" guns. I think they'd make a great addition to the campaign, as it would make raids and gunboat incursions into 2nd rate ports not a gimme.
  • Nick: Again, this may already be  in the works, but hopefully this would add some mechanical depth and greater variety to the world.

       3. Gunboats: KM Itlis (SMS Panther) Class, RNLN Jacob van Heemskerck, RN Bramble* Class, RN Insect Class, USN Wilmington Class. Same as #2

  • Probably an even messier category, but gunboats were power projection tools used by great powers.In terms of size, armor, and armament, they're all over the map. Often they were just converted civilian steamers, though they tend towards smaller caliber. Of course this only worked if these ships could access the global coaling network pr- WWI, and still required port calls in the age of oil. They could be used to establish a presence at lower cost than sending major fleet units. Smaller powers could also (and did) build them, but were usually very limited by range.
  • Nick: This could certainly be a takeoff of the "Torpedo boat" class (some "Patrol Gunboats" were indeed armed with torpedoes), but the difference would usually be a larger displacement, more available calibers, and a greater range capacity.

What other suggestions do you guys have?

 

*RN Bramble was actually equipped with sailing rig, though it could cruise on coal power for about a week when necessary. If you were to use an early era steamer of this type, I'd suggest just having the rigging be a non-functional combat liability in scenario, but it could reduce the maintenance costs and refueling expenses of the class.

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Fixed Danish naval prefix. Danglish is not a language, though jeg taler it fluently.
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43 minutes ago, VarangianGarde said:

Hey folks,

 

I love the array of classes already available, but there a few others I'd love to see:

 

  1.   WWII Era Heavy Cruisers: IJN Takao Class, USN Portland Class, KM Deutschland Class, KM Admiral Hipper Class, RM Zara Class, RN County Class
  •   These CAs were generally Treaty limited to max 8" armaments (except the Kriegsmarine), and had a sleeker profile than the CAs currently on offer in the game.
  • @Nick Thomadis I'm sure some of these are probably already in development, and the list is by no means exhaustive. It'd be cool to see this as another thematic element and as a compliment to advances in BBs from WWI to WWII.

       2. Late Monitor/ Coastal Defense Ships: FN Väinämöinen Class, MB Deodoro Class, A-HN(KuK) Monarch Class, RDM Niels Juel Class

  • This is a bit of a messy category, but essentially these were short range littoral defense ships deployed by smaller powers. Their shallow draft meant they remained fairly close to home port, but could provide significant defensive capability for the home coast. In many cases, these ships fielded heavy 9" and 10" guns. I think they'd make a great addition to the campaign, as it would make raids and gunboat incursions into 2nd rate ports not a gimme.
  • Nick: Again, this may already be  in the works, but hopefully this would add some mechanical depth and greater variety to the world.

       3. Gunboats: KM Itlis (SMS Panther) Class, RNLN Jacob van Heemskerck, RN Bramble* Class, RN Insect Class, USN Wilmington Class

  • Probably an even messier category, but gunboats were power projection tools used by great powers.In terms of size, armor, and armament, they're all over the map. Often they were just converted civilian steamers, though they tend towards smaller caliber. Of course this only worked if these ships could access the global coaling network pr- WWI, and still required port calls in the age of oil. They could be used to establish a presence at lower cost than sending major fleet units. Smaller powers could also (and did) build them, but were usually very limited by range.
  • Nick: This could certainly be a takeoff of the "Torpedo boat" class (some "Patrol Gunboats" were indeed armed with torpedoes), but the difference would usually be a larger displacement, more available calibers, and a greater range capacity.

What other suggestions do you guys have?

 

*RN Bramble was actually equipped with sailing rig, though it could cruise on coal power for about a week when necessary. If you were to use an early era steamer of this type, I'd suggest just having the rigging be a non-functional combat liability in scenario, but it could reduce the maintenance costs and refueling expenses of the class.

Large cruisers lol.

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I was thinking that'd be interesting as well. Admittedly, some of the transports are armed with 3" and 4" cannon, but it'd be interesting to see a Q ship that mounted a 5" or 6."

 

Especially if there was a "reveal guns" animation.

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Dont think "Q" ship which relied on subterfuge, False flags and hidden weapons to ambush enemy raiders/submarine and were very much a post 1914 concept...think Armed Merchant Cruiser, which up to WW1 were part of all major fleets plans and were actively used as scouts in 1898 Spanish American war and the 1905 Russo Japanese war...often major shipping lines were subsidised by there national governments to make sure vessels were built with reinforced decks to accommodate guns and had sufficient coal capacity to operate independently (not just cross the Atlantic flat out)

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Updating as of end of February:

       4. WWII era light cruisers: RN Town Class, IJN Mogami class, USN Brooklyn Class, KM Konigsberg Class

  • CLs adopted a significantly sleeker look, especially characterized by flush decks, light belt armor, ~6" main armament, and rated speeds of 30+ knots. Crucially, these ships featured superfiring turrets, something very lacking in the current stable.
  • @Nick Thomadis I've noticed that the 1926+ CA design could provide a decent visual starting point for CLs of the later years. Principally, I'd adjust the default speed to ~36 knots, adjust the standard armor accordingly (and keep the upper limit cap on CL armor), and treaty limit caliber to 6" (or 7"-8" for non-treaty fleets).
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Supercruisers! stuff like graf spee or stalingrad or alaska, basically armour somewhat thicker or on the same level as heavy cruisers guns between 260mm's to 335mm's and good top speeds above 33knots with torps.

also like to see frigates and corvettes too.

and maybe more dedicated battlecruiser stuff as well.

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Only hull I would really love to see would be Guiseppe Garabaldi class armoured cruiser / 2nd rate battleship...used by Italy, Argentina, Spain, Japan (almost used by Chile, Russia and just about any navy looking for a armoured ship in the 1890`s) and probably the only class where the name ship of the class was laid down three times due to being sold off during construction....

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On 3/5/2020 at 4:22 AM, Cptbarney said:

Supercruisers! stuff like graf spee or stalingrad or alaska, basically armour somewhat thicker or on the same level as heavy cruisers guns between 260mm's to 335mm's and good top speeds above 33knots with torps.

also like to see frigates and corvettes too.

and maybe more dedicated battlecruiser stuff as well.

Some of the late tech cruisers available to Germany seem to fit that bill (aside from the prohibitive cost of speed). I'd always like to see more hull diversification, just so we have more options to play around with in ship designer.

I do hope submarines are a factor in the campaign, so that frigates, corvettes, and escort destroyers make sense.

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On 3/8/2020 at 1:54 PM, Theresnobiscuits said:

Only hull I would really love to see would be Guiseppe Garabaldi class armoured cruiser / 2nd rate battleship...used by Italy, Argentina, Spain, Japan (almost used by Chile, Russia and just about any navy looking for a armoured ship in the 1890`s) and probably the only class where the name ship of the class was laid down three times due to being sold off during construction....

Although I think the devs are working on more late tech designs at the moment, I'd love to see some more distinctively Italian designs as well!

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12 minutes ago, VarangianGarde said:

Although I think the devs are working on more late tech designs at the moment, I'd love to see some more distinctively Italian designs as well!

love to see roma with the funny turret with pizza hats on top (not sure if that was real or not see wows and weegee). This game by alpha 8 should be pretty bloody gud.

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