HMS St Lawrence (1814)

[mcstgg 0]

 112-gun first-rate wooden warship of the Royal Navy that served on Lake Ontario during the War of 1812.

 

 

General characteristics

Tons burthen: 2305 bm

Length: 191 ft 2 in (58.27 m) (gun deck length)

Beam: 52 ft 6 in (16.00 m)

Propulsion: Sails

Complement: 700 officers and men

Armament: 112 guns:

Gun deck: 28 × 32 pdrs, 4 × 24 pdrs, 2 × 68 pdr carronades

Middle gun deck: 36 × 24 pdrs

Upper gun deck: 32 × 32 pdrs, 2 × 68 pdr carronades

 

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_St_Lawrence_%281814%29

 

 

 

[Fig 1]

Thats that filthy ship me brothers took below, magnificent ship fer landlubbers.

 

Avast,

Benjamin Black Beard

[BuccaneerFlint 5]

Will we able to Captain the HMS St Lawrence which was a 112-gun first-rate wooden warship of the Royal Navy? Including HMS Royal Sovereign and the HMS Britannia?

Picture shows the HMS St Lawrence 

Edited January 13, 2016 by BuccaneerFlint

[SteelSandwich 2,327]

find some additional info + plans and it may be realized

 

 

this her?

 

Scale: 1:96. Plan showing the body plan, sheer lines with scroll figurehead, and longitudinal half-breadth for Saint Lawrence (1814), a 112-gun First Rate, three-decker, as built at Kingston Naval Yard, Point Frederick, Upper Canada. Signed by Thomas Strickland [Master Builder/Shipwright, Upper Canada, 1813-1815 (died)].

[Mighty_Alex 155]

Will we able to Captain the HMS St Lawrence which was a 112-gun first-rate wooden warship of the Royal Navy? 

Highly unlikely. It's not a sea-going ship.

[LeeUK 68]

Yeah, this ship wasn't designed to sail or fight at sea, it operated entirely in Lake Ontario, it was just large and flat firepower beast that never saw action in the Lake, let alone at sea.

[Scorpio Shirica 84]

But it does look very cool. :3

[BuccaneerFlint 5]

Yeah, this ship wasn't designed to sail or fight at sea, it operated entirely in Lake Ontario, it was just large and flat firepower beast that never saw action in the Lake, let alone at sea.

The big reason was for HMS St Lawrence never saw action, because her presence on the lake deterred the U.S. fleet from setting sail. So, actually her mission was a success although the United States won.

[ulysse77 201]

The big reason was for HMS St Lawrence never saw action, because her presence on the lake deterred the U.S. fleet from setting sail. So, actually her mission was a success although the United States won.

The United States won?

[Scorpio Shirica 84]

Only war I could see as relevant to this time frame would be the War of 1812. However, wasn't this ship put to sea lake after the fact?

Edited January 13, 2016 by Scorpio Shirica

[BuccaneerFlint 5]

The United States won?

If you take a close look at the whole American situation in the decades leading up to the war, and how the war was a key piece in CHANGING that situation (esp vis a vis the ability to sail and trade freely), you have to conclude that America ultimately gained a great deal of its main objective in the war. So even if I wouldn't necessarily say the U.S. "won" the war, the endeavor was in key respects a "success" (even when the successes were not always directly tied to victories in battle). 

[LeeUK 68]

The big reason was for HMS St Lawrence never saw action, because her presence on the lake deterred the U.S. fleet from setting sail. So, actually her mission was a success although the United States won.

I know that, but my point isn't just about seeing action alone, though the point remains because I imagine all the ships to make it into the game in the near future are all sea-battle used vessels. It seems like it wasn't designed for sea voyages, but was designed for exactly what you said, to deter the US fleet from setting sail on Lake Ontario. If this ship ever made it to the game I would imagine it wouldn't be in the near future at all, there are so many more battle proven ships people want to see first.

[Dutch Dutchery 41]

To add another argument, i would rather see one first rate for all nations in the game (Which i realise isn't fully possible for some as for a lack of plans), rather than adding first rates based on player choice.

 

Of course many players might not be able to sail first rates if the dev's idea of putting combat and trade in different roles and to lock SoL behind the combat role comes to fruition. So i would prefer if they focus their attention on ship below the trinco if it is true.

 

There are plenty more ships in the ocean (hint hint) and theres only so much the devs can do to vary them.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Dutch Dutchery

[BuccaneerFlint 5]

I know that, but my point isn't just about seeing action alone, though the point remains because I imagine all the ships to make it into the game in the near future are all sea-battle used vessels. It seems like it wasn't designed for sea voyages

There is one vessel in game called Santísima witch is a perfect example for what you have said. The weight of the additional guns, so high above her waterline, made her sail poorly. It was even suggested by some naval officers that she should be restricted to defending the Bay of Cádiz. But, look what she did! Most minds we think it would impossible, but later became possible. 

[BuccaneerFlint 5]

To add another argument, i would rather see one first rate for all nations in the game (Which i realise isn't fully possible for some as for a lack of plans), rather than adding first rates based on player choice.

 

Of course many players might not be able to sail first rates if the dev's idea of putting combat and trade in different roles and to lock SoL behind the combat role. So i would prefer if they focus their attention on ship below the trinco if it is true.

 

There are plenty more ships in the ocean (hint hint) and theres only so much the devs can do to vary them.

I agree with your idea to see one first rate ship for all nations. I'm just throwing out an idea for another 112-gun first rate just for the option because each nation has there own differences. 

Edited January 13, 2016 by BuccaneerFlint

[Scorpio Shirica 84]

Only one constructed by the USA, right?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pennsylvania_(1837)

 

It was ordered in the time frame of the game, but not put to sea until after time frame of the game IIRC. 

[ulysse77 201]

If you take a close look at the whole American situation in the decades leading up to the war, and how the war was a key piece in CHANGING that situation (esp vis a vis the ability to sail and trade freely), you have to conclude that America ultimately gained a great deal of its main objective in the war. So even if I wouldn't necessarily say the U.S. "won" the war, the endeavor was in key respects a "success" (even when the successes were not always directly tied to victories in battle). [/size]

Dont want to derail the subject but...

http://news.wypr.org/post/who-won-war-1812#stream/0

Anyway... Intersting to see different opion on this... Being canadian i was always tod it was à British victory... At worst a draw...

[HackFish 5]

Highly unlikely. It's not a sea-going ship.

 Both Ontario (Snow) and Niagara served entirely on the Great Lakes as well.

[ragnar hairy trousers 250]

Highly unlikely. It's not a sea-going ship.

there are currently two great lakes boats in game and i think this vessel has character ... she is certainly different

[Haratik 292]

Only one constructed by the USA, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pennsylvania_(1837)

It was ordered in the time frame of the game, but not put to sea until after time frame of the game IIRC.

There were no less than 6 and no more than 10 ships of the line built for the Continental/United States Navy. Only a few of them ever really fired their guns in anger, though they served in the Pacific, the Gulf of Mexico, and in the Mediterranean.

[AUAcuso 1]

Just some more images of her, Don't mind me.

Edited July 16, 2016 by AUAcuso

[Ned Loe 3,873]

[squedage 89]

The big reason was for HMS St Lawrence never saw action, because her presence on the lake deterred the U.S. fleet from setting sail. So, actually her mission was a success although the United States won.

 

the US was actually building 2 ships that were just as big if not bigger then the St Lawrence its just that the war ended and the 2 ships were then scraped

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Orleans_(1815)

Edited July 19, 2016 by squedage

[Arvenski 362]

What ship is the two-decker to St. Lawrence's starboard?

[akd 3,005]

What ship is the two-decker to St. Lawrence's starboard?

Probably Prince Regent.