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On 2/9/2021 at 2:56 PM, Faolind said:

I want you to take a moment and look at the hundreds of variables already present in the designer, from torpedo propulsion to armor scheme and type, engine, efficiency of ventilation, weight of shell, load of shell, propulsion of shell, hull bottom, torpedo belt, bulkhead type and number, range, fuel type, gun number, placement, and turret design, armor of individual elements...

And you go ahead and tell me whether an increase in complexity is going to make the game sell more. Because in the end, the game has to sell. Not just to you and your friends- it has to sell enough to pay these people the wages they need to earn to feed themselves and their families. Any work they put into it has to be justified firstly against this reality.

Is the work required to redesign the build system from scratch worth it in terms of sales numbers versus time and money spent? Probably not.
 

It may be worth it to tweak the UI of the builder, or to add more assets to it, or to tweak the system as-is.
 

I don't know what you mean by "People like me," but I'm an indie game designer myself. It's why I'm thinking about it in these terms. Honestly, its like you want the business to fail, acting this way. This isn't Creative Assembly or CDPR. They don't have the resources to start over on something if they screwed up. They also didn't screw up- The game needs to be able to be played by a wide audience. This isn't a one man low budget programming build like RTW. It's a full game and it needs to sell like one. The number of people not already on this forum that would buy the game this forum keeps proposing is slim.

Lastly- a snap together model kit is exactly what was advertised in the early videos, and there are other people on this forum complaining this isn't snap-together enough for them. It wasn't advertised like say, Robot Arena 2, with the intricate placing of internal parts. That was never an option.

Let us be honest.  This game isn’t selling to anyone but the hardcore naval fans to begin with.  That is your audience.

The designer doesn’t need to be more complicated by a great degree but when you play a campaign it needs to be grounded in reality.  The outputs aren’t grounded in reality at this point.

I have supported several of this companies games.  I paid for this one too.  I defended most of their choices to balance UG Civil War so I think they are smart people.  But if you are going to sell me a UK vs Germany 1900-1918 era campaign which it sounds like they will the designer can’t be spitting out 33 knot battlecruisers in 1912.

And many of the tweaks asked for aren’t going to necessitate scrapping the whole thing.  It’s about getting their interactions correct.  A huge percentage of the designer is just percentage modifiers after all.

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I know that what a lot of what I’m about to say has been said before, but I feel suggestion reports often work on a principle of ‘accuracy by volume’ I will preface this by saying that the compe

I'll second this piece of feedback right here. I was really hoping to being able to put together the hull myself, including superstructure and all that.

I never said it was a good idea 😉   If I'm honest, nail + head. I want to mess around! It's really no skin off the dev's back to free up many of the current constrictions to improve the pl

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Hope we get something like this in the near future the tower is shorter than the KGV tower so makes it look more sleek and also quad guns below 330mm's would be nice too.

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two sugestions

first a point about fore/ aft inbanance.

as we cant move around the internals as real designers could.
then we could instead create a "acceptable  inbanance" flr each hull.
This is the inbanance of armour and weponry that can be handled with moving things around inside the ship
and it is only when that number is maxed out that the "real inbanance starts.

you cound even apply some small penalties in cost/weight  for the internal inbalance (representing more complex piping ect) 

second a point about barbettes.   cant we incorperate the whole system in the guns placement.  so after you have selected gyn and number of barrels, you then can select the apropriate barbette (diferent heights ect)
this way you get all the weight/cost   info in  one place.  and you can place the turret and barbette as a unit and move it as a unit.   it also allows for different possible barbettes for diferent guns as part of techtree  in the campaign.

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Concerning the complexity of the system:

The ideal product is one where the base version is simple enough to sell sufficient copies to cover future support and updates, that can also be modified to be more complex by more dedicated naval history buffs later on. 







 

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Bug, not sure if this has been reported already but...

Underwater torpedo tubes sets off "Some guns have poor sector of fire" warning...

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Platform:     Custom Battles.
Hull:             Modern Light Cruiser. - actually I think it's bugged for most late era hulls.
Nation:         British.
Tech Year:   1940.
Replicable:   After turrets installed (even just one), add underwater torpedo tubes, will bugout then.

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British CL Hulls.

For Custom Battles database ‘Semi-Armored Cruiser I' hull, its availability timeline dates seems out of place, it’s a higher tech item than 'Light Cruiser II' but is available before it and is unavailable sooner...

Light Cruiser I                       1890--------------------1908
Light Cruiser II                                       1893----------------1919
Semi- Armored Cruiser I             1892----------------1908
Semi- Armored Cruiser II                               1902-----------1919
Semi- Armored Cruiser III                                      1903------1919
Modern Light Cruiser                                                                        1920---1940

Compared to DDs timeline…

British DD Hulls.

Torpedo Boat                       1890-------------1908
Torpedo Boat Destroyer              1898--------1908
Destroyer I                                            1899---1908
Destroyer II                                                                 1909---1912
Destroyer III                                                                                    1913--------------------1940
Destroyer IV                                                                                          1918----------------1940
Modern Destroyer(Light)                                                                             1920-----------1940
Modern Destroyer (Standard)                                                                             1921-------1940
Modern Destroyer(Leader)                                                                                        1922---1940

 

Maybe some hulls availability should overlap each other...
'Destroyer I'  overlaps 'Destroyer II', make available to 1912? (for example).
'Destroyer II'  overlaps 'Destroyer III', make available to 1915?
'Semi- Armored Cruiser III'  overlaps 'Modern Light Cruiser', make available to 1925?

And there's a big gap between 'Semi- Armored Cruiser III', 1903, and 'Modern Light Cruiser', 1920, no new hulls in this time period. Are there some in development for at least the 1910 decade or else if some exists can they be made available e.g. 'Experimental Cruiser' hull.

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Custom Battles data...

Heavy Cruiser II available date is out of place compared with its successor Heavy Cruiser III....  

British CA hulls.

Armored Cruiser I             1890---1893    
Armored Cruiser III                                1894---------1908    
Armored Cruiser IV                                        1897---------1919    
Armored Cruiser V                                                 1900----1919
Heavy Cruiser I                                                                            1920------------1940
Heavy Cruiser II                                                                                          1936---1940
Heavy Cruiser III                                                                                 1925--------1940 

 

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I would like to see transverse bulkheads added to the ship designer. Without it you can build a ship with massive amounts of deck armor, no belt armor and simply nose in against the enemy and there isn't anything they can do about it once you close the range and eliminate plunging fire. 

 

Thank you for your consideration.

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