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SoL speed nerf needs to also include the permit ships. 

While before we had the slight idiosyncrasy that Christian was a bit faster than Bucentaure with this nerf Christian is now more than a full knot faster than the Bucentaure - and across all points of sail. It should be the other way round if anything. Our overloaded 32-24 pd Bellona being faster than the generic 32-18 clone 3rd rate makes no sense either.

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29 minutes ago, Thonys said:

A lot of kids do not know who the wreker (avenger) is !

wreker, is the leadship ((wreker:  (dutch word)) class : Avenger class

The Admiraal de Ruyter was a Dutch 80-gun ship-of-the-line, part of the Wreker Class (translation: Avenger).

7 ships would be build according to Pieter Glavimans' design which was approved by the admiralty in 1795. Supervising the build of the first two vessels, the class' leadship "Wreker" left the dockyard in 1798.

 

The Dutch ships would be very useful when we get real water depth. One more reason for that.

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53 minutes ago, Thonys said:

A lot of kids do not know who the wreker (avenger) is !

wreker, is the leadship ((wreker:  (dutch word)) class : Avenger class

The Admiraal de Ruyter was a Dutch 80-gun ship-of-the-line, part of the Wreker Class (translation: Avenger).

7 ships would be build according to Pieter Glavimans' design which was approved by the admiralty in 1795. Supervising the build of the first two vessels, the class' leadship "Wreker" left the dockyard in 1798.

 

We don't care. Montañes first. Full stop

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On 9/10/2019 at 2:39 PM, admin said:
  • Speed for all ships of the line with the exception of bellona, christian and santisima (rare lineships) slightly reduced

How is one knot called 'slightly'? Slightly in this sentence can be removed, cause removing speed by one knot on ships isn't 'slightly'. 

You forgot to nerf the Wasa by one knot. Please explain to me why a Santisima is faster than a Pavel and why a Christian is faster than a 3rd Rate when this game is all about SPEED?

Also a Victory SHOULD be able to outrun a Santisima, at least on closehaul or just remove the entire ship cause there is no point in using it otherwise. 

I hope you rebalance it, I do agree that lineships were too fast and I do like to see 4th Rates and USS United States/Constitution usable for PvP again instead of boring Wasas the entire time.

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12 minutes ago, NOJODU said:

 

You forgot to nerf the Wasa by one knot.

wasa is an oversight indeed. will also lose some speed. 
All ships will be probably tuned in this update indicated in the development plans
 

content update 2: Unfinished business (continuous updates)

  • Combat model update and improvements (including proper battle sails mechanics)
  • More variety in upgrades, loot and books
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1 minute ago, admin said:

More variety in upgrades

Could you explain this a little further?  it seems to me that we have far too many upgrades.  I certainly acquire more upgrades than I can use. 

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1 hour ago, Snoopy said:

Santi is now faster than Ocean. Oof.

Makes no sense.  Santissima was a known brick, while Ocean’s class was Sané’s masterpiece and described as « as manoeuvrable as a frigate »...

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10 minutes ago, Serk said:

Ocean’s class was Sané’s masterpiece and described as « as manoeuvrable as a frigate »...

Source? link please (ok if in french - we have french speakers)

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25 minutes ago, admin said:

Source? link please (ok if in french - we have french speakers)

According to a British report after the capture of the « Commerce de Marseille:

 « Capturé le 29 août 1793 par les anglais à Toulon, Le Commerce de Marseille intégra la Royal Navy sous le même nom (HMS Commerce de Marseille). Souffrant d´un complexe d'infériorité à l'égard des constructions navales françaises, la Royal Navy effectuera de nombreux essais sur le navire. Le rapport anglais sera d'ailleurs très élogieux à l'égard du Commerce de Marseille, un vaisseau "aux lignes exceptionnellement fines, un bon navire de haute mer [...]. En dépit de ses dimensions, il navigue comme une frégate, il a une bonne tenue à la mer. Peu de navires sont comparables à lui, c´est un remarquable navire, très sûr et aisé". »

 

Link: http://epoque.napoleonienne.over-blog.com/pages/Les_118_canons-521842.html

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42 minutes ago, admin said:

Combat model update and improvements (including proper battle sails mechanics)

what do you intend to do to reach this goal?

 

43 minutes ago, admin said:

More variety in upgrades, loot and books

what does it mean? more craftable item? nerf some upg?

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3 minutes ago, Serk said:

According to a British report after the capture of the « Commerce de Marseille:

"Sails like a frigate" is not necessarily a reference to speed, but more probably a complement to her manoeuvrability.

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One thing that I may suggest that I never undestood why, is; why is capturing a ship less rewardable than sinking one? Meanwhile back in the days, you gained more money by capturing ships, and experience aswell by doing that. I know "Players can keep the ship, they don't need to return it to the Admiralty, so that's why it doesn't reward the player, the reward is the ship itself". Common.

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3 minutes ago, Portuguese Privateer said:

One thing that I may suggest that I never undestood why, is; why is capturing a ship less rewardable than sinking one? Meanwhile back in the days, you gained more money by capturing ships, and experience aswell by doing that. I know "Players can keep the ship, they don't need to return it to the Admiralty, so that's why it doesn't reward the player, the reward is the ship itself". Common.

This has been discussed in many threads and the answer is always the same.  The value in capture is the ship itself.  I personally disagree with this.  The real value in PVP (other than the fun) is the completion of missions, which gives you gear.  A captured ship should (IMHO) give the same credit to a mission as a sunken ship.  Both are removed from your enemy's inventory.  There have been many ships that I have sunk, because there is little to be gained from bringing the prize home.  Not very historically accurate at all.

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18 minutes ago, Serk said:

According to a British report after the capture of the « Commerce de Marseille:

 « Capturé le 29 août 1793 par les anglais à Toulon, Le Commerce de Marseille intégra la Royal Navy sous le même nom (HMS Commerce de Marseille). Souffrant d´un complexe d'infériorité à l'égard des constructions navales françaises, la Royal Navy effectuera de nombreux essais sur le navire. Le rapport anglais sera d'ailleurs très élogieux à l'égard du Commerce de Marseille, un vaisseau "aux lignes exceptionnellement fines, un bon navire de haute mer [...]. En dépit de ses dimensions, il navigue comme une frégate, il a une bonne tenue à la mer. Peu de navires sont comparables à lui, c´est un remarquable navire, très sûr et aisé". »

 

Link: http://epoque.napoleonienne.over-blog.com/pages/Les_118_canons-521842.html

We will review the additional references if find any and update ..Do you by any chance have old references? Like french sailing reports or admiralty tests... wasa for example has some in historical books (and endymion)
the reasoning was simple - captured ships will have lower speed than crafted due to upgrades and fittings and shipbuilding capabilities.

Overall speed might need an overhaul after port bonuses (including other stats) and will be worked on after the next big patch, together with battle sails improvements..

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3 minutes ago, Louis Garneray said:

You'll be surprised.... they often were. It didn't mean that the crew was the best.. That was most of the time reserved to the Brits.

The Brits loved captured French ships and were very complimentary about their builds.  We should never relate the high level of training in one navy to their quality of build. 

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2 hours ago, admin said:

We will review the additional references if find any and update ..Do you by any chance have old references? Like french sailing reports or admiralty tests... wasa for example has some in historical books (and endymion)
the reasoning was simple - captured ships will have lower speed than crafted due to upgrades and fittings and shipbuilding capabilities.

Overall speed might need an overhaul after port bonuses (including other stats) and will be worked on after the next big patch, together with battle sails improvements..

Also when the source mentions speed and maneuverability of a 74 or even frigate wind speed and weather conditions have to be put in context. Maybe the source references wind speed @Serk like the British sea trials log. Constitution's log shows over 14 knots for a short time in ideal conditions, etc. 

I would suggest that the constant wind speed we have in NA is not the conditions that would allow a 1st rate or a 74 for that matter, to overhaul a frigate. 

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39 minutes ago, DeRuyter said:

Also when the source mentions speed and maneuverability of a 74 or even frigate wind speed and weather conditions have to be put in context. Maybe the source references wind speed @Serk like the British sea trials log. Constitution's log shows over 14 knots for a short time in ideal conditions, etc. 

I would suggest that the constant wind speed we have in NA is not the conditions that would allow a 1st rate or a 74 for that matter, to overhaul a frigate. 

i think he ws mostly referring to the fact that ocean should be the fastest ship across heavy lineships)))

of course - its a known fact that endymion could show 17-18 knots when going in the wind patch and even faster down the long wave… 
and any first rate would be faster than ANY other ship of lower length and strength in heavy waves 
we are constrained by the same wind speed and thus have to mainly balance for gameplay between classes. But within the class speed should appropriately reflect the hull and sailplan differences. Based on hull length and keel ocean should be faster than other first rate lineships. 

we are hot fixing the speed imbalance across lineships tomorrow. more will come later after the PB/Raid patch.

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