Ship Plans and Resources.

[Surcouf]

Life aboard a French vessel of 74-gun of 1780.

http://www.musee-marine.fr/programmes_multimedia/vieabord/

[Pandora]

I completely agree on the Dutch ship Batavia
 
Full info, details, and even plans can be found here (I think): http://www.bataviaphotos.com/gallery.html
 
It's said this ship could go 28 knots, and I know I personally would love to see it in the game; No nation or pirates ever managed to catch the thing, it always out-ran everything. According to my fiance, it's a ship that needs to be added. ^.^

Photo of the replica:

[Mirones]

you sure its not 28 kph? the only ship i know going 20knots is the Flying P-liner Preussen 5mast barg

[Doschichis]

There is no way that big ass ship can go 28kn

[Pandora]

No idea ^.^;

 

It's just supposedly the fastest Dutch trade ship, at least for its time, according to what I've been told.

[IonAguirre]

you sure its not 28 kph? the only ship i know going 20knots is the Flying P-liner Preussen 5mast barg

Maximum speed for not planning ships goes around: V= 0.4 x SQRT(g x LWL), where g= 9.81 m/s², LWL= waterline lenght (meters) and V is speed in m/s.

 

Hence, the longer the faster.

 

Regards

[Captain_Chis]

perpendicular to the wind the longer ship will have the lower top speed? or relatively lower anyway.

[IonAguirre]

The relation between LWL and speed does not depend on the propulsion system. Hence, it doesn´t on the angle of the wind.

The effect of the wind direction, has more to do with the sails, and the hull design, than with the size.

 

Anyway, between two ships, with similar designs and rigging, sailing the same wind, the longer will be always faster.

 

It does not mean that all long ships have to be faster than all shorter ones. Other design considerations have to be taken into account. But as a general rule, it works.

 

Regards

[Brigand]

The relation between LWL and speed does not depend on the propulsion system. Hence, it doesn´t on the angle of the wind.

The effect of the wind direction, has more to do with the sails, and the hull design, than with the size.

 

Anyway, between two ships, with similar designs and rigging, sailing the same wind, the longer will be always faster.

 

It does not mean that all long ships have to be faster than all shorter ones. Other design considerations have to be taken into account. But as a general rule, it works.

 

There is a topic (IRL: big ships go faster than little ships!) dedicated to this rule. It doesn't really seem hold all that well for ships in the time period the game is set in: the theoretic maximum hull speed was seldom (if ever) achieved by the larger ships (due to various reasons).

 

~Brigand

[Psilander]

Question: Are the plans or pictures posted on the sjöhistoriska website of af Chapmans works enough for you guys to model ship from or is there a need for someone (like myself) to go to the museum and gather more information on the plans that are not digitalized yet?

[Pontus-SWED]

Swedish frigate Venus (1783)
 

 

The capture and following process
On 1 June 1789, "Venus" was patrolling the waters outside the Norwegian coast, Norway at this time was ruled by Denmark and considered neutral. 31 May the lookouts reported a Russian squadron of four frigates and a cutter, the report was soon corrected to two ships of the line, two frigates and a cutter. Relying on his ships excellent sailing abilities Commander Hansson expected to be able to stay ahead of the Russian ships until a change in the wind suddenly bereaved him of the possibility to reach open sea. Cornered in by the Russians he escaped into the entrance of the fjord of Christiania (presently Oslo), expecting the protection of a neutral nation. However the Russian ships followed and went into action, the cutter Merkuriy was the first to reach Venus and both ships opened fire, the larger ships then followed positioning them to be able to fire along the lengths of the Venus. Hansson had prepared his ship with spring on the anchor cables to enable to train his ship's guns sideways and initially he managed to damage first arriving Russian ships. However when the capital ships was in place and also opened fire Commander Hansson, after consultation with his senior officers concluded that nothing more could be achieved by further bloodshed and hauled down his colours. According to a testimony from the Danish/Norwegian pilot, Commander Hansson right after hauling down his flag boarded the Russian flagship claiming the attack as a crime of war. The hard feelings among Swedish officers was also obvious in other official reports. The squadron commander A.F. Rosensvärd mentioned in his official report about the loss of Venus that his ships had respected the neutrality versus Russian ships in Danish harbours, "...ships that I with my superiour force easily could have captured if it had been within legal practice...". Probably Denmark at this time neutral but with troubled relations to Sweden had a double interest not to support the Swedish diplomatic case, first not to be seen taking part against Russia, secondly any loss of resources for the Swedish navy was one less ship to worry about in a possible coming conflict with Sweden.

The Russian newspapers and authorities made the outmost of the capture spreading the news that the "Venus" had hauled down her colours to the 22-gun cutter Merkuriy. The imprisoned Commander Hansson reacted furiously claiming his honour as officer had been questioned and wrote a letter to the commander of the Russian squadron asking him as a gentleman to testify about the events.

The "Commander Jenkins" of the Cutter Merkuriy who should have all to win of the heroic role his ship was given in the propaganda answered the call from his enemy colleague. In a letter that can still be found of the Swedish court protocols he not only confirms that Commander Hansson did actually haul down his flag to the squadron, but also claims his ship suffered severe damages and would have been sunk if the bigger ships has not come to his assistance. (It is to be said that many officers in the Baltic navies at this time was unemployed European officers with limited interest in the politics of the Baltic war. Possible the letter to the benefit of Commander Hansson could be seen as a sign of the importance being seen as a gentleman by officers who another day could be possible colleagues).

Upon returning after captivity Commander Major Hansson was under trial at the royal court in Stockholm in July 1791 for the loss of his ship. The relatively mild sentence of loss of a half year salary for positioning his majesty’s frigate Venus into a position where he could not escape to the open sea indicated that the court not considered the loss itself as a crime and accepted the fact that Major Hansson should have been able to expect a safe heaven on neutral waters, and that his defence of the ship had been sufficient until the point of the arrival of the full Russian squadron.

Remaining career[edit]
The ship was taken over by the Russian Navy and participated in the battle of Reval and in the battle of Vyborg Bay in 1790 under command of the British Admiral Roman Crown. Venus visited Holland in 1795 and Great Britain in 1795–1797 and 1799–1800. She served in the Adriatic Sea between 1805 and 1807 and in the Aegean Sea in 1807. She was sold to the Kingdom of Naples in Palermo to avoid capture by the British.

 

 

 

Career (Sweden) Swedish Navy Ensign
Namesake: Venus
Builder: Karlskrona
Laid down: 31 March 1783[Note 1]
Launched: 19 July 1783

Captured: 1 June 1789 by the Imperial Russian Navy
Career (Russian Empire)
Name: Venus (Венус)
Acquired: 1 June 1789
Out of service: 1807

Fate: Sold to Kingdom of Naples
Career (Kingdom of Naples) Flag of Kingdom of Naples (1806-1808).svg
Acquired: c.1807

General characteristics
Type: 44-gun battle frigate
Length: 128 ft (39.0 m) (p/p)
Beam: 32 ft (9.8 m)
Draft: 10 ft (3.0 m)
Complement: 160
Armament: 26 × 24-pounder guns
14 × 6-pounder guns

 

[Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz]

how come i can't find any plans of the royal sovereign

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Royal_Sovereign_%281786%29

I have this but its incomplete http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79792.html

http://www.shipmodels.com.ua/eng/models/elite/royal_sovereign/index.htm

http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/491816/royal-sovereign-1786

http://prints.rmg.co.uk/art/491825/royal-sovereign-1786

These cost money and i think its the complete ship plans but no masts paint ornaments?

I'ts a very famous ship and it should be in the game

[Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz]

http://scale-model.narod.ru/eng/rev/hull01.htm

[Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz]

Is spanish 112 gun sant'ana on the list?

[Mirones]

her plans are posted here

[Arvenski]

Swedish frigate Venus (1783)

Very interesting. Thank you. Interesting armament, especially. She seems like a big ship (44 guns) for a traditionally-designed frigate (as opposed to the later flush-decked frigates or super-frigates), and she's very well-armed with those 24-pounders, but then the rest of her armament is made up of 6-pounder popguns. Huh.  

[Mirones]

could be caronades

[Arvenski]

could be caronades

The 24-pounders, you mean?

[Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz]

HMY Royal Caroline (1750)

Career (UK)

Name: HMY Royal Caroline

Ordered: 22 August 1749

Builder: Deptford Dockyard

Launched: 29 January 1750

Renamed: HMY Royal Charlotte in 1761

Fate: Broken up in July 1820

General characteristics

Class and type: Royal yacht

Tons burthen: 232 11⁄94 (bm)

Length: 90 ft 1 in (27.46 m) (gundeck)

72 ft 2 1⁄2 in (22.009 m) (keel)

Beam: 24 ft 7 in (7.49 m)

Depth of hold: 11 ft (3.4 m)

Sail plan: Full rigged ship

Armament: 8 x 4-pounder (or 10 x 3-pounder) guns + 8 x ½-pdr swivel guns

HMY Royal Caroline was a ship-rigged royal yacht. She was ordered in 1749 to replace HMY Carolina as Britain's principal royal yacht. She was built at Deptford Dockyard under the supervision of Master Shipwright John Hollond to a design by Surveyor of the Navy Joseph Allin. She was launched on 29 January 1750 and was broken up 70 years later.

[Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz]

How do you post pics?

[Mirones]

host it on a site like imgur and then use the insert pic button and past the link to your pic there

[Pontus-SWED]

Ship Rättvisan 1783.     Rättvisan=Justic

 

 

Typ: Lineship

 

History
Building place Karlskrona
Built 1783
In Swedish service 1783-1790


Armament 62 canons

 

 

Edited May 24, 2015 by Pontus-SWED

[Pontus-SWED]

HMS Dritigheten

 

 

Typ Ship of the line

Builder Fredrik Henrik af Chapman
Bulding place Karlskrona

Built 1785

 

Data:
Length: 49,58 m
Beam 13,66 m
Draft: 5,94 m
Displacement: 1925 ton
Crew 567
Armement 64 canons, later 74 canons in 1806.

 

 

 

 

This was howe the old one was.

And this howe the new wan looks like.

[Ned Loe]

HMS Dritigheten

 

 

Typ Ship of the line

Builder Fredrik Henrik af Chapman

Bulding place Karlskrona

Built 1785

 

Data:

Length: 49,58 m

Beam 13,66 m

Draft: 5,94 m

Displacement: 1925 ton

Crew 567

Armement 64 canons, later 74 canons in 1806.

 

 

 

 

This was howe the old one was.

And this howe the new wan looks like.

Very Nice will add it to the list. 

[Carlo.A.Morabito.Diaz]

Please note these plans are printed in Italian only. Translations of the words are available here:

http://modellers-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Plans-translations-ROYAL-WILLIAM.pdf

Hms Royal William

Launched in 1719 at Portmouth. In 1782 Royal William took part in the navy operations which led to Gibraltar’s liberation. Also in that same year, the ship was involved in the salvage attempt of Royal George, which overturned in Spithead causing the death of 900 persons. In the end it was assigned as anchor-watch at Portsmouth, until 1813 , then demolished. Its survival for almost a century compares strongly with the typical six-year life span of so many other ships.

http://modellers-workshop.com/euromodel-66006-hms-royal-william-18th-century-first-rate-100-gun-ship-172-scale-wood-ship-kit-plans/

You have to buy the plans, for the rest i think that the plans should have every single detail

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66183.html

http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_Royal_William_(1719).jpg

There's basically everithing here

Width: 12.80 m.

Crew: 730

Draft: 6.10 m.

Displacement: 1600 tons

Armament :

First battery: 34 guns of 32 inches

Second battery: 28 guns of 24 inches

Third battery: 18 guns of 8 inches

Read more: http://www.euromodel-ship.com/eng/royal-william.html#ixzz3bLE7glyz

xc

TURNS OUT The Royal William was originally the H.M.S. Prince, refitted in 1692.