OTMatt Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 or the downscaled 74 Leopard Ise portland class I saw your earlier post on the HMS Leopard drawings, it looks nice I hope its selected for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 yes but i would liek to see more stuff that is not from the royal navy:P hope we get the trinidad for testing soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hood Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Not that I will be sailing for any other nation than Great Britain, however I am inclined to agree with you. Would be nice to see the variety start to come in. Trinidad, Asturius, L'Orient, Bretagne, Le Franklin, Guillaume Tell and the list continues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 well there are some other national ships in wip but its nice that someon agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Anyone here know a good US Sixth rate with plans. I was thinking of making a US ship group. 12-Gun: USS Enterprise http://www.nmhf.org/pdf/Mikes_Enterprize_Article.pdf 16-Gun Brigantine: Lexington 1776 http://library.mysticseaport.org/ere/odetail.cfm?id_number=SP.1966.81.52.45 18-Gun Sloop-of-War: Wasp 1807 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xJcCH95OfZ8/TUvp8CI3jWI/AAAAAAAAAfs/1UmOiBOC1ok/s1600/wasp%2Bdraught.png 20-Gun Brig: Niagara 1813 http://www.history.navy.mil/pics/lake_erie-p23.jpg 28-Gun Frigate: USS Virginia 1776 http://www.awiatsea.com/images/Virginiaship/Virginialines.jpg 32-Gun Frigate: USS Raleigh 1776 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HMS_Raleigh_1778_ex_American_Raleigh_1776.jpg 40-Gun Frigate: USS Bonhomme Richard 1779 http://www.usna.edu/Users/oceano/pguth/website/shipwrecks/sailing_ships/Construction_lecture.htm 44-Gun Frigate: USS Constitution 1797 Ingame 104-Gun First Rate: USS Ohio 1820 http://www.navyhistory.org/2011/10/uss-ohio-model-at-brooklyn-navy-yard-center-at-building-92/ 74-Gun Third Rate: USS North Carolina 1820 http://mrwill-dointhetimewarp.blogspot.com/2010/08/uss-north-carolina.html 90-Gun Second Rate: USS Independence 1814 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:USS_Independence_%28ship,_1814%29#mediaviewer/File:Independence._Sail_plan_-_NARA_-_513024.tif 106-Gun 1st Rate: USS Chippewa 1815 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 delete the Constitution from your list since its already implemented in some testbuilds. ook for videos and you will find them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Federico de Gravina y N Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Hi I want to put my two cents in to help you with information for designing new ships.Here I leave to you about the Spanish armada ship list, however, all of the information, are in spanish, sorry. http://www.todoababor.es/listado/index.htm Information about the spanish Frigates: http://www.todoababor.es/datos_docum/fragata-mercedes.html Information about the three bridges spanish ships: http://www.todoababor.es/articulos/nav-tresp.htm Information about the Caliber cannons in the spanish navy: http://www.todoababor.es/datos_docum/calibres.htm Information about the heavy british frigates: http://www.todoababor.es/datos_docum/frag_brt.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Hi I want to put my two cents in to help you with information for designing new ships. Here I leave to you about the Spanish armada ship list, however, all of the information, are in spanish, sorry. Wow nice site O_o So many british plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTMatt Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Berlin 1674 - 16 gun frigate. Great ship pointed out by Mirones. 7-gun broadside with 2 aft guns. At an earlier period she carried 15 guns with 10 4-pounders, 2 3-pounders, and 3-2 pounders. I'll just take a guess and assume the 16 gun version had 4-2 pounders? Either way its a little on the low side but perhaps theres adequate room for upgrades or some carronades at the least. Good old fashion look with a fitting theme for Pirates. Lacks chase guns though. http://17thcenturywarships.com/Pictures/modelberlin.jpg Sail plan, hull plan, etc. http://modelshipworld.com/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-30-0-76183400-1361660172.gif http://modelshipworld.com/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-30-0-12823100-1361660175.gif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 well it would surely be intressting to see ships from the early wars between swedish and prussian ships 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearly There Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Some one mentioned HMS Glatton with all carronades and it being an interesting ship. There was actually a frigate outfitted with all carronades, the HMS Rainbow. This is taken from the Age of Sail website. In the aftermath of Nymphe’s being taken by Flora, the Navy Board quickly became enamored of the carronade and the weapon’s effectiveness in combat had silenced naysayers. By January 1781, 604 carronades were mounted on 429 ships. This is probably a record for a new weapon being adopted. The next step in the experiment was an all-carronade frigate. For this project the HMS Rainbow (44) under Captain Henry Trollope was chosen. Rainbow exchanged her 20 long 18-pounders and 22 long 12-pounders for 20 68-pounder, 22 42-pounder, and 6 32-pounder carronades. Then went out hunting. On 2 September 1782 Ile de Bas she encountered the French frigate Hebe (40). The ships maneuvered for position and Captain Trollope engaged Hebe with the 32-pounders on his forecastle. One or more of the shots hit killing five Frenchmen. The captain of Hebe examined the fragments of the hollow carronade shot and concluded that if she was firing 32-pounders as chase pieces she was actually a ship of the line in disguise. He fired one broadside, “pour l’honneur de pavilion,” and struck his colors. Rainbow lost only one man. The French lost five killed, including the second captain, and several wounded out of a crew of 360 men. I think this would be an incredible fun ship to take into combat. The challenging part would be getting it into range to use the carronades, however once in range it could serious damage to a larger SoL that was not as agile. A nasty suprise if the other captain is expecting a normal 44 gun frigate and suddenly has 68 pounder cannon balls whistling past his ear. Might be good as a upgradeable/modification to an existing in game 44. Perhaps an interesting opponent to the Constitution . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imotekh Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 We need more "French"-ships , like ... the Mont-blanc or the Le Superbe , La Venus , or the Bretagne ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoki44 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Here´s link for some danish hull plans : http://www.orlogsbasen.dk/enkel.htm Unfortunally it´s in danish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Some one mentioned HMS Glatton with all carronades and it being an interesting ship. There was actually a frigate outfitted with all carronades, the HMS Rainbow. This is taken from the Age of Sail website. In the aftermath of Nymphe’s being taken by Flora, the Navy Board quickly became enamored of the carronade and the weapon’s effectiveness in combat had silenced naysayers. By January 1781, 604 carronades were mounted on 429 ships. This is probably a record for a new weapon being adopted. The next step in the experiment was an all-carronade frigate. For this project the HMS Rainbow (44) under Captain Henry Trollope was chosen. Rainbow exchanged her 20 long 18-pounders and 22 long 12-pounders for 20 68-pounder, 22 42-pounder, and 6 32-pounder carronades. Then went out hunting. On 2 September 1782 Ile de Bas she encountered the French frigate Hebe (40). The ships maneuvered for position and Captain Trollope engaged Hebe with the 32-pounders on his forecastle. One or more of the shots hit killing five Frenchmen. The captain of Hebe examined the fragments of the hollow carronade shot and concluded that if she was firing 32-pounders as chase pieces she was actually a ship of the line in disguise. He fired one broadside, “pour l’honneur de pavilion,” and struck his colors. Rainbow lost only one man. The French lost five killed, including the second captain, and several wounded out of a crew of 360 men. I think this would be an incredible fun ship to take into combat. The challenging part would be getting it into range to use the carronades, however once in range it could serious damage to a larger SoL that was not as agile. A nasty suprise if the other captain is expecting a normal 44 gun frigate and suddenly has 68 pounder cannon balls whistling past his ear. Might be good as a upgradeable/modification to an existing in game 44. Perhaps an interesting opponent to the Constitution . Rainbow was not technically a frigate but rather a 2 decked 5th rate ship, although this type (along with the small 20 guns rated Post Ships) were often referred to as frigates by officers. As such she looks very similar to a 3rd or 4th rate, only smaller (plans for Rainbow are below), which makes the french captain's mistake much more understandable. Likely he initially identified his opponent as 4th or 5th rate, a ship he would be expected to fight against in defense of his convoy, only to find that he was being fired on by 32lb guns, a caliber not normally found on anything smaller than a 74 and decided that this 2 decker must actually be a 3rd rate. Carronade armaments quickly became standard on smaller warships, although ships with bigger cannon (18lb and up) usually retained them because of range and penetration advantages over carronades. There were a few later experiments with full carronade armaments on larger ships though, notably the 4th rate HMS Centurion which fought an unequal battle with a French 74 and 2 frigates, being badly damaged but surviving and inflicting damage on all 3 french ships. Also the frigate USS Essex, fitted entirely with 32lb carronades, less successful because while attempting to escape a British frigate and sloop she lost a topmast and was forced to anchor to avoid being driven on shore, then being pounded helplessly from long range until surrender by the British who knew of her carronade armament. Finally as mentioned HMS Glatton, also commanded by Captain Trollope, his success with Rainbow led to him arming his next ship with carronades too, resulting in a spectacular battle against odds that ended with a half dismasted Glatton pursuing 7 battered French warships into port. Generally speaking you can substitute carronades for cannon on almost any ship, the exchange rate is something like 68lb carronade for 18lb cannon, 42lb for 12lb, 32lb for 9lb, 24lb for 6lb, although that is very much the maximum and not always followed, because although a 68lb carronade is about the same weight as an 18lb cannon and will easily fit into the same deckspace it will have very restricted firing arcs and elevation unless the gunport is made bigger. Also, would be a little wary of giving every ship this option, carronades were only really used by the British and later the Americans, plus the large calibers of carronade (42lb and 68lb) were quite rare, limited in production because very few types of ships carried them (or more than a couple of them). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 By the 1970s there were French and Spanish SOLs with carronades on the upper deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Connor Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 By the 1790s there were French and Spanish SOLs with carronades on the upper deck. Well, the French had the Obusier, short barreled howitzer type weapons sometimes fitted in a similar role to the carronade, but it lacks the sliding carriage that allows for operation with less crew, and also the precision casting of both barrels and ammunition by the same company to ensure a tight fit and reduce wasted power. So rather inferior to the carronade, and the French tended to only put a few on a ship and never use them for the whole armament or even a whole gundeck like the British did. The French didn't start building real carronades until about 1804 or 1805, almost the end of the naval fighting in the Napoleonic wars, so they did not see very widespread use. As far as I know the Spanish did not use either type, and retained conventional cannon only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 According to the sources in the Santissima Trinidad thread, she carried carronades. Not sure where that information ultimately comes from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotjonny Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrutishVulgarian Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 The USS Independence... From this site, http://www.archives.gov/research/military/navy-ships/sailing-ships.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I was just thinking about posting the Independence and even the America (though it was given to the French). As sweet as the Constitution is we need something larger for the US. Here's another pic of the Independence in later Razee form 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Rice Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Looks awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandz Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Neptune Class-Ship of the Line 98 Guns The Neptune-class ships of the line were a class of three 98-gun second rates, designed for the Royal Navy by Sir John Henslow. All three of the ships in the class took part in the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805. HMS Neptune HMS Temeraire HMS Dreadnought History of HMS Neptune/ Tech Drawings HMS Neptune was a 98 gun, 2nd rate ship of the line built by the Royal Dockyard at Deptford. She was the lead ship of a class of 3 identical ships which included the Chatham-built HMS Temeraire, better known now as 'The Fighting Temeraire'. The class was originally going to be called the Dreadnought Class. HMS Dreadnought had actually been ordered first, from the Royal Dockyard at Portsmouth. That ship wasn't delivered until 1801, after having spent no less than 17 years on the stocks. Because HMS Neptune was delivered first, the class became known as the Neptune Class. The ship was ordered from the Royal Dockyard at Deptford on 15th February 1790. Because of the vast amounts of timber required for the construction of such a large ship and the need to season and cut it, her keel wasn't laid until April the following year. Once her frames were assembled and fixed in place, they were left in place for a year to settle before her hull planking and decks were installed. All of this meant that HMS Neptune wasn't launched until Saturday 28th January 1797, almost seven years after she was first ordered. Her construction was supervised firstly by Martin Ware, Master Shipwright at Deptford, then by Thomas Pollard who succeeded Ware in the role. After her launch, HMS Neptune was taken to the Royal Dockyard at Woolwich where she was fitted out. On completion, HMS Neptune was a huge ship for the day. She was a ship of 2,119 tons and was 184' 9" long on her upper gundeck and 51' 2" wide across her beam. When first completed, HMS Neptune was armed with 28 32pdr long guns on her lower gundeck, 30 18pdr long guns on her middle gundeck with 30 more on her upper gundeck. She was armed with 8 12pdr guns on her quarterdeck with two more on her forecastle. She was manned by a crew of 738 officers, men, boys and marines. On 12th February 1797 HMS Neptune was declared complete at Woolwich. By this time, she had cost £77,053, or roughly £1,387,000 in todays money. Neptune class Orlop Deck Plan Neptune class Lower gundeck plan Neptune class middle gundeck plan Neptune class upper gundeck plan Neptune class quarterdeck and forecastle plan Neptune class inboard profile Neptune class lines Neptune class lines Continues in the source (Source) http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=16545.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOVE23 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Hello all! First post here, so pardon me if this is a dumb question. I know this thread is mainly for ship blueprints and most cities will be built by players, but is there an interest/need for maps of some of the more famous towns and cities in the Caribbean? I can provide such images should they be of interest. Thanks, JOVE23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I know this thread is mainly for ship blueprints and most cities will be built by players, but is there an interest/need for maps of some of the more famous towns and cities in the Caribbean? I can provide such images should they be of interest. http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/696-old-buildings-ports-and-17-18-century-plans/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOVE23 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 http://forum.game-labs.net/index.php?/topic/696-old-buildings-ports-and-17-18-century-plans/ Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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