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[Lurken]

Le commerce de Marseille - what a beautiful name

 

By the way.. What is the best known and most famous french ship? Like British Victory or US Constitution or spanish galeons. 

The one that says France - just by looking at it. (1680-1820 period preferred)

 

Soleil Royal is what first pops up in my head

[Mirones]

to abd the la couronne is out of time frame. but surely the hermion that frigatte

[dutchdouche]

Can Anyone tell me if there is a scheme which contains all the ships in the game?

[Mirones]

it was posted some where

 

victory surpise/unity 74gun belonna, brig USS Constitution another frigatte but can remeber wich but if you want to know wich ships are ingame go under general disscusion there is all picture in one album

[Alex Connor]

The generic Frigate is made up from a couple of different plans, so not a specific ship. Thinks she's french, remember seeing her as l'Aurore but the model now has a british-style stern gallery.

 

I hope they give it a name though, make the names all follow a similar style like "HMS Suprise" or "Suprise-class frigate".

[Captain Armstrong]

The generic frigate is the 'HMS Ajax' which is a fictitous vessel that is sold as a model kit with plans http://fatboxsoftware.com/communities/6/004/011/540/116//images/4585753213.png

which is essentially a modernized version of chapman's frigate shown in plate 33 http://www.sjohistoriska.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_3063/cf_1768/33.JPG The modeler renamed the ship L'aurore when he built it to fit in with the storyline of a work of naval fiction. she is somewhat reminiscent of a french vessel, with her horseshoe stern and tumblehome, but is very un-french in her headrails and small size for her armament. 

[Alex Connor]

Well, that explains a few things

 

I'd been thinking the square bow was an odd choice for an apparently Napoleonic era frigate, as is the lack of a mizzen-topgallant sail.

[BungeeLemming]

OKay okay I am beeing the smartass here:

 

That frigate is a made up ship

It is loosely based on a frigate Diana.

 

We will have "hebe" class yes.

That was the answer from Abmin to my question regarding the Frigate they actually have ingame, next to surprise and Constitution.

[Månis]

Dunno if this link has been posted earlier but here goes.  

 

http://www.sjohistoriska.se/sv/Fordjupning/Sok-i-samlingarna/Arkiv/F-H-af-Chapmans-arkiv/ChapmanNet/ChapmanNet1/  

 

It contains drawings of ships taken from ARCHITECTURA NAVALIS MERCATORIA  (thanks to the museum of naval history for putting that online  )

 

And for thoose who likes the Vasa i simply suggest that you simply put in her sistership Äpplet ( The Apple ), they were built  at the same time, but Äpplet was completed after the Vasa and they would make some adjustments to the ship's hull ( they made her wider ) and she actually sailed for 31 years until she got sunked.

 

https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRegalskeppet_%25C3%2584pplet_%281628%29&edit-text=

[dutchdouche]

hello there, i was wondering if anyone could confirm wether the ships below are either ingame or a plan to be build for the game

 

• De Aeolus van viceadmiraal Jacob van Heemskerck tijdens de Slag bij Gibraltar.
• De Aemilia van de luitenant-admiraals Filips van Dorp en Maarten Tromp tijdens de Tachtigjarige Oorlog tussen 1633 en 1647.
• De Brederode van luitenant-admiraal Maarten Tromp tijdens de Eerste Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog.
• De Prins Willem van viceadmiraal Witte de With tijdens de Slag bij de Hoofden tijdens de Eerste Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog.
• De Eendragt van luitenant-admiraal Jacob van Wassenaer Obdam tijdens de Slag in de Sont en Tweede Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog.
• De Zeven Provinciën van luitenant-admiraal Michiel de Ruyter tijdens de Tweede en Derde Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog.
• De Gouden Leeuw van luitenant-admiraal Cornelis Tromp tijdens de Derde Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog en de Slag bij Öland.
• De Beschermer van commandeur Jacob Binckes tijdens de Eerste Slag bij Tobago en de Tweede Slag bij Tobago.
• De Hollandia van waarnemend schout-bij-nacht Willem van der Zaen en vlaggenkapitein Hendrik Hondius tijdens de Tocht naar Chatham.
• De Groot Hollandia van luitenant-admiraal Egbert Kortenaer tijdens de Slag bij Lowestoft tijdens de Tweede Engels-Nederlandse oorlog.

 

sorry for the dutch translation but i think u can figure what the names of the ships are.

 

if anyone can tell me if any of these ships are plans to be in game or are in game already

 

thanks in advance

 

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlaggenschip

[Mirones]

1670- 1820 +/-5 was the timeline

okey done but remember i'm no mod,dev or anything just cecking the timeline that was posted once

 

 

 

• De Aeolus van viceadmiraal Jacob van Heemskerck tijdens de Slag bij Gibraltar.    to early 1607
• De Aemilia van de luitenant-admiraals Filips van Dorp en Maarten Tromp tijdens de Tachtigjarige Oorlog tussen 1633 en 1647. meh to early nothing heared again in 1647? would be an nice historical easter egg as an ghost ship or an ship wreck somewhere 
• De Brederode van luitenant-admiraal Maarten Tromp tijdens de Eerste Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog. meh to early
• De Prins Willem van viceadmiraal Witte de With tijdens de Slag bij de Hoofden tijdens de Eerste Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog. again                                                                                                   
• De Eendragt van luitenant-admiraal Jacob van Wassenaer Obdam tijdens de Slag in de Sont en Tweede Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog.   could be possible since 1665 would fit into the 1670 -5 time line
•  
• De Zeven Provinciën van luitenant-admiraal Michiel de Ruyter tijdens de Tweede en Derde Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog.   Should fit in
• De Gouden Leeuw van luitenant-admiraal Cornelis Tromp tijdens de Derde Engels-Nederlandse Oorlog en de Slag bij Öland.  Same
• De Beschermer van commandeur Jacob Binckes tijdens de Eerste Slag bij Tobago en de Tweede Slag bij Tobago. Might fit in too
• De Hollandia van waarnemend schout-bij-nacht Willem van der Zaen en vlaggenkapitein Hendrik Hondius tijdens de Tocht naar Chatham. could fit in too
• De Groot Hollandia van luitenant-admiraal Egbert Kortenaer tijdens de Slag bij Lowestoft tijdens de Tweede Engels-Nederlandse oorlog.  mhm not sure but might fit in

[dutchdouche]

1670- 1820 +/-5 was the timeline

okey done but remember i'm no mod,dev or anything just cecking the timeline that was posted once

 

  ok sweet thanks

[Mirones]

your welcome but dont get me wrong i like the sterns of dutch ships specialy the friesland

[Mirones]

another sugestion for french ships:

 

HMS Implacable was a 74-gun third rate of the Royal Navy. She was originally the French Navy's Téméraire-class ship of the line Duguay-Trouin, launched in 1800. She survived the Battle of Trafalgar only for the British to capture her at the subsequent Battle of Cape Ortegal. In British service she participated in the capture of the Imperial Russian Navy 74-gun ship of the line Vsevolod (Russian: Всеволод) in the Baltic in 1808 during the Anglo-Russian War.

 

sadly i cant find shipplans of here maybe we could slap her stern on the Bellona hull?

 

her figurehead and stern is at display in greenwich i heared/readed maybe someon of us that lives in UK gave here a visit? maybe the museum has some plans of her lying around

[Alex Connor]

another sugestion for french ships:

 

HMS Implacable was a 74-gun third rate of the Royal Navy. She was originally the French Navy's Téméraire-class ship of the line Duguay-Trouin, launched in 1800. She survived the Battle of Trafalgar only for the British to capture her at the subsequent Battle of Cape Ortegal. In British service she participated in the capture of the Imperial Russian Navy 74-gun ship of the line Vsevolod (Russian: Всеволод) in the Baltic in 1808 during the Anglo-Russian War.

 

sadly i cant find shipplans of here maybe we could slap her stern on the Bellona hull?

 

her figurehead and stern is at display in greenwich i heared/readed maybe someon of us that lives in UK gave here a visit? maybe the museum has some plans of her lying around

 

Among other ships I'm working on HMS Superb, a British built version of the Temeraire class, so more or less Implacable's half-sister. Could probably even use the Implacable's stern gallery for her, the one in these pictures is borrowed from HMS Malta. I can't find details of Superb's stern gallery and would like each to have a unique stern.

 

 

 

I believe someone else is working on a separate Temaraire-class model too, but if not we can just adapt Superb, the differences are only stern gallery, bow/headrails, bulwarks and rigging so much less effort than making a whole new model.

[Mirones]

some more stern pics for you

 

 

 

[Captain Armstrong]

The Implacable was heavily Anglicized. This can be seen by comparing her plan to that of a Temaraire class vessel still very much in french form, like the Pompee. 

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80971.html

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/80952.html

There is more to the national identitiy of a vessel than how the bow and stern looks, the proportions and form of the Bellona would make her quite an odd looking 'french' vessel with a different bow and stern. 

[Caswyn StGeorge]

Fleuron (one of the most elegant ships ever, imo), Belle Poule (1765, quite a bit of history for this one and the only vessel I know that inspired a hairstyle ) and pretty much any of the frigates or 74s designed by Sané.

If I'm not mistaken all three versions of La Belle Poule could be used in this game:

• the 26-gun frigate Belle Poule (1765), famous for her duel against the English frigate HMS Arethusa on 17 June 1778, which started the French intervention in the American War of Independence; the British 64-gun ship of the line HMS Nonsuch captured her in 1780 and she was broken up in 1801.
• the 40-gun frigate Belle Poule (1802–1806), which acted as a commerce raider in the Indian Ocean until the British captured her in 1806
• the 60-gun frigate Belle Poule (1828–1888), famous for bringing back the remains of Napoléon from Saint Helena to France in 1840; she was under command of François d'Orléans, prince of Joinville, and was painted black for the mission

(I got an 1/200 model kit of La Belle Poule 60-gun frigate and would like to sail it with her predecessors)

[Mirones]

the last one sems 3 years out of time line 1820 +-5 but personally i find these straid hull overkill frigates kinda ugly

[Caswyn StGeorge]

the last one sems 3 years out of time line 1820 +-5 but personally i find these straid hull overkill frigates kinda ugly

 

Oh, I just overlooked it, my bad, sorry.

[Mirones]

actually the first one that got launche of the class fits in

[Caswyn StGeorge]

If I searched correctly the second Belle Poule would also fit in with her sisters too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginie_class_frigate
 

And because of I am a great fan of the frigates, here aresome  other classes of frigates that could fit in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda-class_frigate

I'm not sure but someone already mentioned the HMS Trincomalee and she is the part of this class.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A9b%C3%A9-class_frigate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Chiffone_%281800%29

[TheMarineGamer]

That ship can belong only to a fantasy world, though.

not really there are a few things here and there but nothing that cant be changed it would be a nice vessel

[maturin]

not really there are a few things here and there but nothing that cant be changed it would be a nice vessel

Actually, no. Literally everything is wrong.

 

You can't fix it any more than you can make some adjustments to an image of Homer Simpson and come up with a photorealistic depiction of a human being.

[Mirones]

 

 

I'm not sure but someone already mentioned the HMS Trincomalee and she is the part of this class.

you can allready see under ships in development a 3d render of her and maybe we get her sister hms shannon made by alex hopefully too