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I am interested in buying the game and was browsing the forums , me and my friends are looking for a realistic experience of this type , watched lots of  game videos and read about it ,the game is amazing and its buildt on a good idea representing a fascinating era in history , iv seen that my suggestion has been put foward already in the past and i read about the arguments in favour and against of it but i know it would make more of my friends interested in the game ( we are Mediterranean ) so decided to put it out again . actually the argument put foward against it is that people dont want more factions because they would divide the fan base further more , but is that more important than bringing more people into the game by making it more open and interesting for them ? more people = even more people , friends bring friends.

Apart from being one of the handful European entities that had Caribbean possesions  (the islands of Saint Christopher , Saint Martin , Saint Barthelemy and Saint Croix  ) the Order of the Knights of Malta has a Naval History. Along side the Maltese native people  who were able sailors and corsairs the knights of Malta took part in pivital naval historical battles including fighting alongside the Venetians against the Ottomans , Supporting the Spaniards in the Conquest of Tunis and being part of the Holy League in the Battle of Lepanto among other naval clashes often involving Ottomans , Algerians and Barbary Pirates. The Order s Navy was a respectful and successful one ,  owned Galleons ( referred to as Vascelli ) , Frigates , Xebecs , Carracks , Galleys of several sizes and later during the 18th century had a few Ships of Line . Actually in the Order s ranks there were knights of English , French , Italian , Spanish , Portuguese and German Languages and during the Great Siege of Malta in 1565 Sicilian and Greek soldiers fought beside the Order to defend the island from the Ottomans so yes inculding the Knights of Malta  could ignite more interest and be a home in game for a host of Mediterranean people including the Maltese , Italians , Portuguese , Greeks , Cypriots and everyone who would like to sail under the Order s flag and the iconic eight pointed Maltese Cross. I would love for this to be considered . the perfect scenario would be of having all factions that in real history had islands in the caribbean , among these the Kinights of Malta and further south in Brazil in a way that would include Portugal . and maybe .... maybe .. further down the line having the map strech to Europe in a way it could include the Venetians and Ottomans . In any case the inclusion of the Knights of Malta and Portugal seems easier in the present Caribbean setting and would add to the game and not take away from it , congrats for the game and hope you consider such suggestions , the sense of belonging when it comes to History shouldnt be understimated even in games.

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The bustling Grand Harbour , looking over from Valletta with the three cities of Vittoriosa , Senglea and Cospicua on the othe side :

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Flags of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta

The eight pointed Maltese Cross Flag of the order used by the Grand Masters.

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Prominent in the Maltese Navy. A Galley flying the Maltese Cross Flags  :

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Model of a Maltese Carrack with the eight pointed cross :

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The eight points of the cross represent the Eight Languages of the Order of St. John. Moreover, the eight points of the cross also symbolise the obligations and aspirations of the Knights :

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The Flag and Ensign of the Order of Malta . A white cross on a red background , the cross is in the center of the flag , its the only difference from the flag of Denmark . The Danish flag has an off centered cross :

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Valletta and the Grand Harbour :

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Painting showing the Knights of Malta Flag and Ensign used by the fleet :

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The Flag used by the Knights and Maltese Corsairs , this is the flag of the coat of arms of Grand Master Manuel Pinto de Fonseca ,  often flown on the stern, together with the Order s flag ensign :

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A Maltese Galley with Grand Master  Manuel Pinto de Fonseca Flag :

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It was Common to see the current Grand Master s colours flying on a ship of the order. This is the Flag of Grand Master De l Isle Adam which can be seen flying on the foremast in the painting below :

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The Pennants of the Order :

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Pennant with golden image of St. Mary with child, nimbed, standing upon a lying crescent and surrounded by a golden aureole.

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The flag of Jerusalem  to signal Holy Mass was being celebrated on Flagship.

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This red flag with two white crescents and two golden stars was used to call all surgeons to report on Flagship.

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Round tailed guidons bearing the Maltese Cross.

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Man-of-War Battalion , Grand Masters Colours  , a white square flag with the coat of arms of the order’s Grandmaster Manuel Pinto de Fonseca (1741-1773) in its centre. The shield is topped by a crown, lined black. 

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Men-of-War Battalion  , Orders Colours . a pink square flag with the coat of arms of the Order of St. John in its centre. The shield is topped by a crown, lined black and is superimposing two crossed black anchors.

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Battalion of the Galleys , Papal Colours , a white square flag with the coat of arms of Pope Clemens XIII (1758-1769) in its centre.

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Battalion of the Galleys , Order Colours , a white square flag with the coat of arms of the Order of St. John in its centre. The shield is topped by a crown, lined black and is superimposing two crossed bundles of three palm leaves each in natural colour.

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Flamma Torchina ,  a plain blue hanging triangular pennant of ratio estimated 1:2. ,  not a lof of information on this one but according to source: “Al Caleese di Maestro” or “All’ Asta dello’ Stendardo” or “All’ Andriuello” it was a  signal pennant for the use of the galley squadron“,

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Red , Flamma Torchina  a ,hanging pennant, vertically divided into red and blue of ratio estimated 1:2. 
According to  Captain General of the galleys Giovanni Battista SPINOLA, 1700 this was used for Galleys .
Probably both Fiamma Torchina hanging pennants had been hoisted at the end of the yards of a Galley.
 

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Historical Signal Flags of the Knights of Malta .

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(1) Standard (al Galcese) of the triangle sail / Sign for retreat.
(2) Galley (Sensile) standard unfolded at the (Galcese) of the main mast and a longish smoke / Sign for asking help.
(3) Flag at the small boat of the main ship; departure one day later; (un tivo di cannone e trinchetto alla cola) departure one hour later.
(4) Flamed flag at the (Galcese) of the triangle sail during the "hunt" [i.e. the following] / the galleys which were in front had to (louar Remo) or to lower (?) the sails.

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(1) Raised in the bows (del Fanale): sign for shooting. In haste [raised] above the helmsman: sign that the other galleys have to follow the main ship.
(2) Raised in the bows (del Fanale): sign to "make the middle mast" [prob. to hoist the sail at the middle mast]. In haste [raised] above the helmsman: sign to "make water" [prob. to speed up]
(3) At the helmsman: raised once: hoist the "Marabutto" [small sail for hard wind]. Twice: the "Marabuttino" [sail which must have been smaller than the Marabutto]. Three times: the "Mezzana" [sail at the middle mast]. Four times: the "Veletta" [=lookout; prob. somebody had to go there]. Five times: the (Treo) go/move at day (G) "Maestra" [prob. main mast] (e non facendosi, de un?). Sign to make the [unreadable]
(4) In haste above the helmsman: sign to give wine to the rowers.

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(1) Raised in the bows (del Fanale): sign to hoist the "Marabutto" sail.
(2) Raised in the bows (del Fanale): sign to hoist the "Veletta" sail.
(3) In haste above the helmsman: sign to take the (Rimburchio) / After the taking of the (Rimburchio), placed again on the same place: sign to leave it.
(4) Raised in the bows (del Fanale): sign to go on land, and (maneggiato = fixed?) the triangle sail … the galley (sensile al galcese) of the triangle sail. Sign that the (Gol?) wants to negotiate with the (Padrono Reale Alberata) at the "Antenna" [sort of mast] of the triangle sail. Sign to [unreadable] with (Artigueria) in its (Resto) of the (Pennatto Sagno? Di salueraschi) with the (Moschetteria)

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(1) Galley (Sensile) standard indicating to the main mast: sign to unfold the sail / Standard shown at the triangle sail: sign to unfold the (sospetta) sail.
(2) Galley (Sensile) at the (Penna) of the triangle sail, and then taken to the (Gol?) on the wind (?). [Smoke:] Sign of recognising at day: galley maintaining two smokes.
(3) Flamed flag at the (Calcese) of the main ship. Sign for the armament of the crew (sopra coperta). 
(4) Flamed flag at the (Penna) of the triangle sail. Sign to land (di Fontaria). After the landing placed again: sign of re-embarkment.

Galleons , Galleys and frigates of the Knights of Malta in the Grand Harbour.

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More Flags of the GrandMasters of the order , Most of the time these Flags would be flying on the foremast , near the ensign or as jack.

         Jean de la Vallete Parisot 

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                      Antoine de Paule   

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   Emmanuel Marie de Rohan-Polduc

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                Alof de Wignacourt                                                                    

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                       Nicolas Cotoner   

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              Ferdinand von Hompesch

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                Ramon Perellos y Roccaful

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            Antonio Manoel de Vilhena 

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           Martin Garzes, Castellan

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        Louis Mendez de Vasconcelles

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                         Didier de St. Jaille

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       Jean Levesque de la Cassiere

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                  Claude de la Sengle

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             Hugues de Loubens Verdalle

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                  Juan de Omedes

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                       Pierino del Ponte

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 The bustling  Grand Harbour , looking over from Valletta with the three cities of Vittoriosa , Senglea and Cospicua on the othe side :                                                                       1041632245_GreatHarbour.jpg.aba9e7dcb00ff479e5c8b12db9e353dc.jpg

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Since the Order's presence in the Caribbean was under the sovereignty of the King of France, make a suggestion in the Flags thread to add some of the Maltese flags to the French Nation.

Otherwise we are all waiting for Naval Action 2 which is going to take place in the Mediterranean including all of the nations you mentioned, which would be awesome ...

 

 

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Naval Action 2 Is that realistic ? i mean this game has been officially released recently ,  you think the devs are already planning a Naval Action 2 ? i dont know , could be but its easier and more tangable to think that they would add the European Theatre as a mega update to this Naval Action rather than wait for a sequel . i will take your advice and put the info up here in the flags section , maybe the Maltese flags can become available under the French or Spanish Navies  until maybe one day having their own faction, The Knights of Malta had very close relationships with both France and Spain at some point , As you correctly mentioned the Knights of Malta s Caribbean possesions came with the benefits of having links to French aristocracy, back in the Mediterranean the Knights fought several battles side by side with the Spaniards. I still think Portugal and Malta deserve a place in a game like this but at this point in time Portuguese Flags should be under Spanish Navy and Maltese Flags under the French.  what do you think about this ?

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Rather than NA2 I'd suggest future overhauls to the engine (like it already happened) to support future graphics features and a lot more future DLCs (ships, maps - mediterranean, north/east seas with local powers, etc.)

 

I think currently the game is close to perfect.

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On 7/11/2019 at 2:28 PM, blademage said:

Rather than NA2 I'd suggest future overhauls to the engine (like it already happened) to support future graphics features and a lot more future DLCs (ships, maps - mediterranean, north/east seas with local powers, etc.)

 

I think currently the game is close to perfect.

That is most plausible in my opinion.

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On 7/11/2019 at 8:22 AM, Seawolf7 said:

Naval Action 2 Is that realistic ? i mean this game has been officially released recently ,  you think the devs are already planning a Naval Action 2 ? i dont know , could be but its easier and more tangable to think that they would add the European Theatre as a mega update to this Naval Action rather than wait for a sequel . i will take your advice and put the info up here in the flags section , maybe the Maltese flags can become available under the French or Spanish Navies  until maybe one day having their own faction, The Knights of Malta had very close relationships with both France and Spain at some point , As you correctly mentioned the Knights of Malta s Caribbean possesions came with the benefits of having links to French aristocracy, back in the Mediterranean the Knights fought several battles side by side with the Spaniards. I still think Portugal and Malta deserve a place in a game like this but at this point in time Portuguese Flags should be under Spanish Navy and Maltese Flags under the French.  what do you think about this ?

 

NA hasn't the engine or design for a proper MMO.

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