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Swedish merchantmen - help with references needed.


Edward Harvey

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Dear NA community,

I've started work on a new ship. It's a swedish merchantmen. Seeing that there is a high demand for merchant vessels, I'm going in that direction.

 

I've been in contact with Game-Labs and they OK'd it as well.

This is where I need help though, It's very hard to find accurate plans for merchantmen. Especially references for upper deck details. 

 

If anyone has any useful links, to anything related, to these vessels, that would be a BIG help

Currently I'm using this hull plan. It's of swedish design.

Current progress:

 

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I dont know if you aware but this is one of "Fredrik henrik af chapman's" shipdesigns.

He is very well known among lots of 3D shipwrights.

http://www.ship-model-today.de/literatur-041.jpg  (title)

The devs use this book as reference, too. The yacht for example is made from Chapman's scratch.

 

So if you look for more details you can add his nametag for research ;)

Note that you have to look for "Plate IX" (No12)

 

The sailplan you can use is from his book, too:

http://www.cocatrez.net/Water/Libellule/History/Chapman_LXII_1.jpg

Its "typical frigate". a fully rigged ship.

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blue is an extending roof infront of the cabin wich is open to the front, red decklines wich where hinted by dots and the vertical ones show when looking closely where the stairs or ladders on the inside are connecting the decks. green is where the cargo openings are for loading/unloading and where the deck is open like on the Surprise/bellona for example.

or just look at youtube videos of the Göteborg for reference

 

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@BungeeLemming & Mirones;

thank you for this! I'm aware of Chapman and his book 'Architectura Navalis Mercatoria' but it's nevertheless good to always share information.

I've also found this site: 


http://www.sjohistoriska.se/en/Collections/Archives/ChapmanNet/ChapmanNet/Drawings/?pressimagepage=5

But it's still hard to find out how the smaller details were shaped, like railings and other small deck details.

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My vote on the name would be Ringaren it loosly translates to The Hunchback or The Bell Ringer, I pulled its name from an actual mid 1500s ship which while far to early for NA its seems like a common merchant ship name overall.

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Chapman plans are great, except they never come with any sail/mast rigging plans.  I find it useful to have the masts and sailplans to be able to accurately make a ship model.

 

If you are new to making ships, the best plans tend to be those that are intended for making wooden display model ships for your book case.  They know the people making wooden models need information on how the bits and pieces should look like, and yet will have the same hull and mast drawings to get those parts accurate as well.

 

Actual real ship blueprints tend to lack that sort of detail because at the times the authors probably didn't imagine a future without sailing ships.  It is a guess, but I bet they assumed we can figure out the details easily because sailing ships are still common.

 

The sailplan you can use is from his book, too:

http://www.cocatrez.net/Water/Libellule/History/Chapman_LXII_1.jpg

Its "typical frigate". a fully rigged ship.

 

Actually, that isn't a true sailplan.  The plans an artist would need show the yardarms of the ship turned 90 degrees, flat on with the page (which is actually impossible on a real ship as they would hit the rope stays that reinforce the masts strength).

 

A typical frigate sailplan ought to work, however, like the image from a model kit advertisement for a frigate called the Carolina.

 

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I could be wrong, but that sailplan seems rather aggressive for a merchantman. What is the year of construction? Depending on the decade, you should drop the mizzen royal, or even the topgallant, with a shrunken topsail.

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i recomand you to seperate the hull from the keel to get better smooth lines that wont get ruined when using the smoothing tool.

simply cut out the keel in the middle makes it easier for you and this is a comon way the artist over at Pirates Ahoy are using.

 

@Edward remove to top deck so that you can look inside the hull makes things alot easier to check from diffrent angles if something sems odd.

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Great work, I'm also interested in helping modelling ships... For now I've been testing out a simple hull, as I've never modelled ships!

 

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Looks like a good start, what plans are you using? Also, Mirones advice is good. You should make a seperate keel.

 

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Well.. Theres a large swedish merchant sailship replica götheburg, if you ask from the owners via e-mail, you might get its schematics quite easily for reference.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Götheborg_(ship)

Heres the homepage of the ship

http://www.soic.se/en/

Heres the first ships replica which took 24 swedes to the "new sweden" in america in 1638.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Nyckel

There might be also schematics available

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Looks like a good start, what plans are you using? Also, Mirones advice is good. You should make a seperate keel.

 

 

I found some hull lines over Pirates Ahoy...

 

 http://www.piratesahoy.net/threads/selected-ship-plans-plan-websites-and-other-resources.18660/

 

Modelling this one: 

 

 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/384789.html

 

I don't plan to model it completely... just the main hull and deck, than I'll look for a more complete set of plans of some ship...

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Here is the Mistake what i mean on your model with the keel. you basicly put the two hull sides directly next to each other

finishing her wont be that a problem simply ask the guys from PA or here for help

 

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