Edward Harvey Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Dear NA community,I've started work on a new ship. It's a swedish merchantmen. Seeing that there is a high demand for merchant vessels, I'm going in that direction. I've been in contact with Game-Labs and they OK'd it as well. This is where I need help though, It's very hard to find accurate plans for merchantmen. Especially references for upper deck details. If anyone has any useful links, to anything related, to these vessels, that would be a BIG help Currently I'm using this hull plan. It's of swedish design. Current progress: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry d'Esterre Darby Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Found the ship's cook.... But really, I'm so glad you're doing this! Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spadde Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 What do you want? A specific ship or just general swedish tradeships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Harvey Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 General ones, This will be a 'normal' ship. No celebrity ship, so to say. I'm sure these merchantmen were created by the dozen. So a general guideline of deck-layout should exist, I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BungeeLemming Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I dont know if you aware but this is one of "Fredrik henrik af chapman's" shipdesigns. He is very well known among lots of 3D shipwrights. http://www.ship-model-today.de/literatur-041.jpg (title) The devs use this book as reference, too. The yacht for example is made from Chapman's scratch. So if you look for more details you can add his nametag for research Note that you have to look for "Plate IX" (No12) The sailplan you can use is from his book, too: http://www.cocatrez.net/Water/Libellule/History/Chapman_LXII_1.jpg Its "typical frigate". a fully rigged ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 blue is an extending roof infront of the cabin wich is open to the front, red decklines wich where hinted by dots and the vertical ones show when looking closely where the stairs or ladders on the inside are connecting the decks. green is where the cargo openings are for loading/unloading and where the deck is open like on the Surprise/bellona for example. or just look at youtube videos of the Göteborg for reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Harvey Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 @BungeeLemming & Mirones;thank you for this! I'm aware of Chapman and his book 'Architectura Navalis Mercatoria' but it's nevertheless good to always share information.I've also found this site: http://www.sjohistoriska.se/en/Collections/Archives/ChapmanNet/ChapmanNet/Drawings/?pressimagepage=5But it's still hard to find out how the smaller details were shaped, like railings and other small deck details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narva Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 love it man +1 have you thought about a name or is that a secret? maybe make a poll for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Harvey Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 No, I have no name yet. I'm also very new in the naval customs of any other country then Britain. But maybe the NA devs want to decide on the name themselves. However, if they don't mind, a poll would be a cool idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillBox Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Your project is looking very good so - massive respect sir. I'm sure there are a few Swedes about if you're looking for a project name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 My vote on the name would be Ringaren it loosly translates to The Hunchback or The Bell Ringer, I pulled its name from an actual mid 1500s ship which while far to early for NA its seems like a common merchant ship name overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narva Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I found this but it is in Swedish but at the bottom there are all the names of Swedish east indiaman ship's and how many cannons and men they had and where they were built or bought and if you need any translation I'm sure people will help you here including me http://ostindiska.nordiskamuseet.se/system/exp/exp_skepp.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdguy Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Chapman plans are great, except they never come with any sail/mast rigging plans. I find it useful to have the masts and sailplans to be able to accurately make a ship model. If you are new to making ships, the best plans tend to be those that are intended for making wooden display model ships for your book case. They know the people making wooden models need information on how the bits and pieces should look like, and yet will have the same hull and mast drawings to get those parts accurate as well. Actual real ship blueprints tend to lack that sort of detail because at the times the authors probably didn't imagine a future without sailing ships. It is a guess, but I bet they assumed we can figure out the details easily because sailing ships are still common. The sailplan you can use is from his book, too: http://www.cocatrez.net/Water/Libellule/History/Chapman_LXII_1.jpg Its "typical frigate". a fully rigged ship. Actually, that isn't a true sailplan. The plans an artist would need show the yardarms of the ship turned 90 degrees, flat on with the page (which is actually impossible on a real ship as they would hit the rope stays that reinforce the masts strength). A typical frigate sailplan ought to work, however, like the image from a model kit advertisement for a frigate called the Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Harvey Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 When contacting Game-Labs again, I shall propose the poll for naming her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maturin Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I could be wrong, but that sailplan seems rather aggressive for a merchantman. What is the year of construction? Depending on the decade, you should drop the mizzen royal, or even the topgallant, with a shrunken topsail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdguy Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 If it is from Chapman, which it is, specifically plate 33 (chapman etched the "drawings" on copper plates to make sure the plans last longer), then the dates tend to be the early to mid 1700's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Harvey Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Small update, work is progressing rather slowly: Redid the stern: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreWesley Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Very beautiful work sir. I would certainly love to see this in the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joegrag Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Nice work ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felelo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Great work, I'm also interested in helping modelling ships... For now I've been testing out a simple hull, as I've never modelled ships! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 i recomand you to seperate the hull from the keel to get better smooth lines that wont get ruined when using the smoothing tool. simply cut out the keel in the middle makes it easier for you and this is a comon way the artist over at Pirates Ahoy are using. @Edward remove to top deck so that you can look inside the hull makes things alot easier to check from diffrent angles if something sems odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Harvey Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Great work, I'm also interested in helping modelling ships... For now I've been testing out a simple hull, as I've never modelled ships! Looks like a good start, what plans are you using? Also, Mirones advice is good. You should make a seperate keel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWili Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Well.. Theres a large swedish merchant sailship replica götheburg, if you ask from the owners via e-mail, you might get its schematics quite easily for reference. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Götheborg_(ship) Heres the homepage of the ship http://www.soic.se/en/ Heres the first ships replica which took 24 swedes to the "new sweden" in america in 1638. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Nyckel There might be also schematics available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felelo Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Looks like a good start, what plans are you using? Also, Mirones advice is good. You should make a seperate keel. I found some hull lines over Pirates Ahoy... http://www.piratesahoy.net/threads/selected-ship-plans-plan-websites-and-other-resources.18660/ Modelling this one: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/384789.html I don't plan to model it completely... just the main hull and deck, than I'll look for a more complete set of plans of some ship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirones Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Here is the Mistake what i mean on your model with the keel. you basicly put the two hull sides directly next to each other finishing her wont be that a problem simply ask the guys from PA or here for help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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