Are fake reviews a thing?

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

2 minutes ago, Koveras said:

 Again, childish bickering isn't exactly helpfull to the game.

Negative review bombing using alternative account names just because people have to act like toddlers and can't move on like an adult is not helpful towards the game either.

[van der Clam]

1 minute ago, Koveras said:

So ppl discredit themselves for simply reviewing a game as being unfit for a recommendation to others? Not every review is part of some elaborate plot or coordinated attack on the game, in fact I'd wager most aren't. Again, childish bickering isn't exactly helpfull to the game.

No, people discredit themselves for copy-pasting the same review on all their alt accounts because they want to attempt a mass influence, by pretending to be different people....and then they deny it.

And, of course not all negative reviews are part of an elaborate plot. NOTHING in this post said ANYTHING about all. We are pointing out the BS ones.

 

[van der Clam]

4 minutes ago, Koveras said:

Why the need to reduce a discussion by personal attacks? - I could just as well point out that it is childish, immature and juvenile to refer to someones educational background. Could we please keep the discussion civil?

The moment you acknowledge that there are indeed fake reviews from very childish people is the moment you can speak about conversational civility. And, fyi, I said nothing about your education level. I made a factual statement about middle school education. If you took it as a dig on you, that's your problem. Not mine.

[van der Clam]

5 minutes ago, Koveras said:

6 reviews, I hardly see the problem. The many negative reviews over the past couple of months - I see the problem. Why not address the actual problem rather than nitpicking the issues we like? 

This OP is not about other reviews.

[Corona Lisa]

21 minutes ago, van der Decken said:

Are you seriously going to make me do this? For a fact, I know when I down voted these reviews that the names were random gibberish bullshit alt accounts.

To put it in your words: Take any primary school class and they will teach you how to read.

I never questioned that these are alts of some angry dudes, I just wondered how you know that these are from srupl or christendom.

Ill quote it again for you:

1 hour ago, van der Decken said:

Apparently I have already down voted their reviews, so these are from Banished and his friends like the pirates who moderate the Naval Action reddit

[Sir Loorkon]

1 minute ago, Koveras said:

6 reviews, I hardly see the problem. The many negative reviews over the past couple of months - I see the problem. Why not address the actual problem rather than nitpicking the issues we like? 

I think the actual problem is that a lot of people became to much addicted to this game and when they saw that the game mechanics turned in the oposite direction they wanted, they acted like addicted childs and love turned to hate. To many people are just overreacting and overheating. Refering to the insults used in some comments in some of the threads in the last couple of month I would have banned a lot more players and a lot earlier. This shitstorm will go away as fast as it raised. I want the game to release as fast as possible so we can focus on the game and not on the feelings of haters, posting shit reviews to hurt the playerbase.

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

1 minute ago, Koveras said:

Except the question remains. Can any1 claim that the game being too grindy, too simplistic, too walled in behind permits, too focussed on clans and not enough on casual or individual players, can any1 really state that those reviews (which are the majority of what I've read) is untrue or false? Most reviews doesn't mention moderation, most reviews doesn't even mention the admins broken promise, they mention specific gamemechanics and to reject those reviews as acts or 'addicted children', doesn't that make you commit the very same fault just with an opposing PoV? - Why this need to paint the community in 'Us vs. them'?

You are defending these reviews a bit too hard. 

[Angus MacDuff]

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[jodgi]

38 minutes ago, Koveras said:

That ppl feel wrongfully moderated and as a result left negative reviews?

No, you said: "When ppl stated what they perceived was wrong with the game they were banned"

[van der Clam]

13 minutes ago, Father of Dragons said:

To put it in your words: Take any primary school class and they will teach you how to read.

I never questioned that these are alts of some angry dudes, I just wondered how you know that these are from srupl or christendom.

Ill quote it again for you:

"like" = similar.

3 minutes ago, Socialism said:

Please provide proof that the reviews are from the parties you accuse.  You were warned on the NA reddit sub for posting misleading and inaccurate information.  It seems that warning was not unfounded as here you are again sprouting misinformation.  I can assure you none of those copy/paste reviews came from Pirates who moderate the subreddit under copyrighted names.  We prefer to handwrite and individualize our negative reviews.  Please stop raving like a grammar student (see what i did there?) and retract your allegations.  

I believe false accusations are a moderated and enforced issue here on these boards, Am I correct @Hethwill?

I never said those reviews are from the reddit moderators. Read above "like". But yes, I did say Banished without knowing for a fact it was he, to which I should apologize and I do. Especially considering how much Banished has done for this game's promotion. I went by coincidence of evidence.

BTW, if you know for a fact who wrote those reviews with alt names, then you are at as much at fault as the writer(s). And you seriously think what I wrote on reddit was misleading? I proved the exact point I was making on exactly the kind of "reviews" my OP was aimed at. I said nothing about other reviews. I said nothing about all negative reviews. I wrote of BS reviews and how to recognize them.

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

Frankly, even though I don't trust Chris's word that it was nor members of VCO or ORCA, I do not see it being those clans that wrote these. At least not all of them so claiming it is "pirates" would be too broad of a claim. Even going and claiming individual clans would be broad as well. Based upon the content here stating what is mentioned in these reviews I am not 100% sure it is Banished either who deserved his banishment more than anyone banned in recent months. Lord Vicious is another name that is worth considering since recently he has reemerged as a very critical voice of the game via external platforms. There is just not enough evidence granted to place it upon one person or a group of individuals. No point on witch hunting. Focus more on removing these negative spam bombs because if anything these reviews hurt the game and does nothing to help it develop in certain direction or continue. Developers would easily just drop the game after release and go onto the next thing if the population goes down too low.

[jodgi]

3 minutes ago, Koveras said:

Can any1 really say that the game is not grindy af

Ooof, ye, eco stuff is very boringly grindy.

4 minutes ago, Koveras said:

with a simplistic economy,

yes, I wish we didn't have it at all.

 

4 minutes ago, Koveras said:

permitwalls on crafting that has basically destroyed crafting

That is scheduled to change. Looks like the devs listen, eh?

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

3 minutes ago, Koveras said:

Now I ask again - Can any1 really say that the game is not grindy af,

I will say the game is not grindy af. How many of these people making such a claim restarted accounts? I did. I started this game when the xps required was double for ranks. I still recall the ship knowledge tree which was a tiresome affair. Even now earning xp is easy and quick. Having a few people breeze through their slots for their 1st rates in comparison of how long it took me.

with a simplistic economy,

Meh. Hard feat.

permitwalls on crafting that has basically destroyed crafting

issue with people bitching about things demanding instant satisfaction or lacking any actual long term data like some of the individuals that were banned. They are changing them now. 

and fine woods have basically been reintroduced?

Lol! Not even close. Maybe instead of whining so much these people that claim such a thing should actually go out searching and if need to capturing the ports that have these woods and resources. We did and we are set on all woods unlike before.

I haven't read all reviews but those I've read centered on those issues, moderation, broken promises etc. were only immediately after the banhammerwave.

they need to grow up and move on twisting actions with trigger words like promised. Nothing was promised. Only remarked upon their current plans but plans change due to time. The turbulations of developing taking longer than what originally intended. 

 

[VirtuallyIdiotic]

3 minutes ago, Koveras said:

banhammerwave have alienated a SMALL portion of the playerbase and honestly, if the game improves I'll be the first to advertise for it on all the forums I know off. 

Corrected.

[van der Clam]

7 hours ago, --Privateer-- said:

They look fake to me, copy/paste reviews with 1 product in account.

@Teutonic @Velhelm Von Marrius @Powderhorn @--Privateer-- I had no idea you can report accounts as "Impersonating me or someone I know" ....

 

[Hethwill]

1 hour ago, Socialism said:

Please provide proof that the reviews are from the parties you accuse.  You were warned on the NA reddit sub for posting misleading and inaccurate information.  It seems that warning was not unfounded as here you are again sprouting misinformation.  I can assure you none of those copy/paste reviews came from Pirates who moderate the subreddit under copyrighted names.  We prefer to handwrite and individualize our negative reviews.  Please stop raving like a grammar student (see what i did there?) and retract your allegations.  

I believe false accusations are a moderated and enforced issue here on these boards, Am I correct @Hethwill?

You are the one expected to behave in the first place the very first minute you enter the forum. There's no need for any proof.

You break rules of communicating with others, you get warned.

You keep breaking rules you get invited outside.

Carry on participating in the forum with good spirit and clean language and everything will be perfect.

Friendly warning.

 

 

[Socialism]

44 minutes ago, van der Decken said:

"like" = similar.

I never said those reviews are from the reddit moderators. Read above "like". But yes, I did say Banished without knowing for a fact it was he, to which I should apologize and I do. Especially considering how much Banished has done for this game's promotion. I went by coincidence of evidence.

BTW, if you know for a fact who wrote those reviews with alt names, then you are at as much at fault as the writer(s). And you seriously think what I wrote on reddit was misleading? I proved the exact point I was making on exactly the kind of "reviews" my OP was aimed at. I said nothing about other reviews. I said nothing about all negative reviews. I wrote of BS reviews and how to recognize them.

Apparently I have already down voted their reviews, so these are from Banished and his friends like the pirates who moderate the Naval Action reddit....which by the way could be forcibly removed for using a trade marked or copyright name as this goes against reddit policy. In the comments on my review, notice how one rat mod thought to ban my post on reddit, LOL.

Except you did say these ARE from Banished and his friends.  And you specifically mention a pirate mod.  C'est Moi.  Since I'm in an educating mood,  what you could of said was...."These reviews ARE most likely from...." and that would of been viewed as highly suggestive, but not outright accusatory.  See the difference?   

43 minutes ago, Velhelm Von Marrius said:

Frankly, even though I don't trust Chris's word that it was nor members of VCO or ORCA, I do not see it being those clans that wrote these. At least not all of them so claiming it is "pirates" would be too broad of a claim. Even going and claiming individual clans would be broad as well. Based upon the content here stating what is mentioned in these reviews I am not 100% sure it is Banished either who deserved his banishment more than anyone banned in recent months. Lord Vicious is another name that is worth considering since recently he has reemerged as a very critical voice of the game via external platforms. There is just not enough evidence granted to place it upon one person or a group of individuals. No point on witch hunting. Focus more on removing these negative spam bombs because if anything these reviews hurt the game and does nothing to help it develop in certain direction or continue. Developers would easily just drop the game after release and go onto the next thing if the population goes down too low.

Davos my dear, I have never and will never lie to you.  We can all sleep safely tonight knowing you don't think it was VCO.

Edited April 18, 2019 by Socialism

[Zlatkowar]

8 hours ago, --Privateer-- said:

They look fake to me, copy/paste reviews with 1 product in account.

Welp I missed my name on that screenshot, and I'm pretty damn sure I wouldn't post a lame ass "review" like that one.

I have reported both the review and the fake account.

@admin you should get in touch with Valve asap.

[Guest]

But you don’t see this kind of review backlash on other EA steam games, it’s either “I don’t like” or “I like”, never a backlash!

Businesses who don’t look after their customers don’t last long, PC games are a business and a business first, plain and simple.

All reviews are legit, they reflect customers views, alts included, but there are plenty of bad ones or more to the point, bad reviewers.

[Zlatkowar]

1 minute ago, BuckleUpBones said:

But you don’t see this kind of review backlash on other EA steam games, it’s either “I don’t like” or “I like”, never a backlash!

Businesses who don’t look after their customers don’t last long, PC games are a business and a business first, plain and simple.

All reviews are legit, they reflect customers views, alts included, but there are plenty of bad ones or more to the point, bad reviewers.

Please read just a few lines above. Not all reviews are legit, trust me.

[Sir Loorkon]

5 hours ago, Koveras said:

Except the question remains. Can any1 claim that the game being too grindy, too simplistic, too walled in behind permits, too focussed on clans and not enough on casual or individual players, can any1 really state that those reviews (which are the majority of what I've read) is untrue or false? Most reviews doesn't mention moderation, most reviews doesn't even mention the admins broken promise, they mention specific gamemechanics and to reject those reviews as acts or 'addicted children', doesn't that make you commit the very same fault just with an opposing PoV? - Why this need to paint the community in 'Us vs. them'?

The rhetoric is not bad, but ... what do you want me to say? Obviously I did not say what you made out of it.

Edited April 18, 2019 by Sir Loorkon

[p i t]

12 hours ago, --Privateer-- said:

Not necessarily, for example my steam name is Lord Admiral Privateer.

Lemme send that friend request 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, van der Decken said:

Are you seriously going to make me do this? For a fact, I know when I down voted these reviews that the names were random gibberish bullshit alt accounts. And funny that you mention them as private, because 20 minutes ago they were not private. But just for you...here are their name histories.

And nothing in my reddit post was misleading. I gave TIPS on how to read through bs! Take any middle school language class and they will teach the same thing about how to recognize patterns between a known author and their pseudonyms.

Looking at the reactions of some reddit misfits you are touching them in all the wrong places. 
And while account name is private, steam ID is public even for private accounts.@Ink can you ban them in game for review bombing - its against steam eula

[Guest]

They exist, sure.

But they're a drop in a bucket when it comes to explaining the current review score, so whatever.

[Sailor]

6 hours ago, Koveras said:

 

For the record, my actual name is Lars Kjaer, and yes I've been banned from these forums before and I don't know why, I don't know the reasoning behind the ban

 

6 hours ago, Koveras said:

Oh my apologies - I should've written: "When ppl stated what they perceived was wrong with the game they were banned with no explanation and in their own perspective without violating forum rules, atleast according to the plus 30 players that has written about it on reddit".

Lars you were not banned for criticism. You were banned for shitposting and brigading when your last posts deteriorated into  trolling. You were always treated with respect here, and same is always expected in return. Shitposting, abuse of developers, trolling and ranting is against the forum rules.  

You accepted the rules registering here. So please do not complain about them - follow them or just do not login here to post.
https://forum.game-labs.net/topic/2346-forum-and-game-rules/

Compare that situation with Koveras posts: Often negative or very negative, broke rules of the forum ban evasion, still posting in the open. Why?  Mods give forum members second chance. Our job as mods is to keep critics and criticism so developers can read it, but remove shitposts and shitposters, so developers never see it. For now you are a critic not a shitposter. 

Those 30 people can request to be unbanned and promise to follow the rules. Some members of the community did so and are back.