Anolytic Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) Alternative title: Make Labour Contracts Great Again Remember when your whole clan had to come together to share their labour hours in order to build ships? Clan officers had to call players to the capital to use their labour hours to convert raw resources into materials, so that high level crafters could use all their labour ours on producing ships. This could be hugely inconvenient and required logistics, but it was a system that involved great solidarity and collaboration, as well as the buying and selling of labour hours, and the trust it took to hand over resources and hoping that you got them back again as materials for a fee. Since then labour contracts have been implemented in the game, potentially streamlining this process greatly. However labour hours need and availability has also greatly changed and the crafting process greatly simplified, to go a long way towards removing this collaborative effort that crafting especially big ships used to be. The introduction of labour contracts is a great advancement, to streamline the sharing of labour hours. But the removal of collaborative effort is a big negative. I would wish that labour hours for ship-building would again become a bottleneck. That is, for ships bigger than 5th rates. Lineships could even require labour contracts in their crafting recipe, in addition to an almost full labour hours account. In return the collaborative effort of producing and sharing labour contracts should be simplified and emphasised. The recipe for making a labour contract should be simplified to include some limited reals cost (maybe 10k), the 500 labour hours (1-to-1, labour hours discount upgrade in a port should not apply to the production of labour contracts), and tools. Tools should be available for mining, exclusively, but readily, in any captureable, non-capital, port that is upgraded to the highest level under the new town upgrade system that you are planning to introduce. This should also be the only way to produce labour contracts (on war server). There should be no doubloons to labour contract conversion. This would create a market for labour contracts. And it would create collaboration within clans where members would use their labour hours to help produce labour contracts and put them in the clan warehouse for the clan crafters to use. Edit: Alternate method for tools production is production in forge building from iron, coal and oak. Labour contracts item should be made in workshop building rather than Academy. Edited April 8, 2019 by Anolytic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrel_ Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I like your idea but here we are again with the old sick problem of alt accounts. What you describe is nice for the game and its community but will not work as long as there is no solution with the alt accounts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikawa Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 why not just make LH a sellable item in ports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Rainsborough Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Anolytic said: Remember when your whole clan had to come together to share their labour hours in order to build ships? I remember how awful it was yes. I mean I'd be alright, I have alts. Others don't. Edited April 8, 2019 by Gregory Rainsborough 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Farseer Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 So basically tilting the eco-balance even further in favor of DLC owners? no thanks.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 DLC ships seem to minimize your suggestion's benefit, or rather make the gulf between players with-without DLC ships greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 20 hours ago, Gregory Rainsborough said: I remember how awful it was yes. I mean I'd be alright, I have alts. Others don't. It was annoying. 20 hours ago, Tom Farseer said: So basically tilting the eco-balance even further in favor of DLC owners? no thanks.... And people who have multiple accounts...funny how that works. No labor hours are plentiful and we are better for it. If nothing else I would be in favor with @mikawa and allow myself to sell my hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbancourt Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Instant DLC "just add water!" ships have blown up any likelihood of creating a real economy in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir David Green Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) Wrong thing... Edited April 9, 2019 by Sir David Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macjimm Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 19 hours ago, Teutonic said: allow myself to sell my hours What's stopping you? Is crafting and selling Labor Hour contracts not a way of selling hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 42 minutes ago, Macjimm said: What's stopping you? Is crafting and selling Labor Hour contracts not a way of selling hours? The freedom if choice would be a lot better then "you could just do X." Crafting labor contracts nowadays is very cost inefficient, which I suppose is the current trend for everything Naval Action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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