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4 hours ago, qw569 said:

Sadly. Conclusions are not correct.
Producers who ignore the power of social networks will never succeed.

if you want to be trending topic then yes. i don't think na wants to (or even should) play in that league. my guess is there is enough people in the world more interested in one of the best age of sail games ever than in the narcissistic ramblings of a youtube celebrity, to make an honest living from with this game, social herds and ratings be damned. 

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I have no problem with "villains", per se...  I agree with you about LV, for instance.

And I agree that they provide a important source of interest in things related to the game.

At the end of the day, NONE of us have any inherent RIGHT to be listened to on these forums, nevermind have all of our suggestions catered to.  So when someone gets mad they "they feel they are not being listened to", I always find it slightly amusing.  I mean, who really has that much of a sense of self-importance?!

Again, what I feel crossed the line has been his ACTIVELY attempting to harm the game, yet still playing it.

Honestly, at this point he must just be bored and trying to produce drama.  Because if he REALLY disliked the game so much, you'd figure he'd do what adults do and just find another game or do something else for leisure.

Not whine that his toys got changed or taken away.

I've made my point multiple times now.  

I'm done with this topic.

 

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5 hours ago, admin said:

It will get worse. Polarization will continue and we will see the total removal of free speech from the internet in the next 10-15 years. It will spread from the east (china, singapore) and when western governments realize that they cant control the masses if masses can speak on social media to millions of other people they will start removing all dissent and opposition from social media. Its already starting.

No Offense, but we shoudnt go into Politics since we have more then enough controversy already.  No Reason to start even more due Political views on the World.

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@admin Could we please close this childish thread of rants in 'yea' and 'nays'? From both you replies and those of the rest of the community I simply cannot see a bridge between the disencfranchised and malcontent many and the 'yes'-men. I fail to see the point of this 'communications' thread if all we're going to do is continue along the same negative lines as before.

First off - this was supposed to be a thread about communications, continue to communicate or not is irrelevant here as both options needs to be done properly, yet most of the replies @admins included is basically the same childish rantings that we've been reading for the past month or so.

 

My suggestion(s):

1: Shut down the entire forum for 1 week to let tempers cool.

2: Have a CLEAR set of principles that describes the meanings of fx. 'respectfull' communications - both @admin and the rest of the community could prob do with a lesson or two on how to respond to negative (also known as critical) feedback, both in terms of the wordings of their replies and in terms of the topics covered in those replies.

3: There is NO denying that the community is the game and a lot of players has either left or is atm on hiatus, partly due to the 'impending' wipe and partly due to the shit we have to deal with on the forums. How to reignite the communications is the issue - how to avoid falling back into old, entrenched habbits of "right" or "wrong". Rather than continuing a course of actions that will see the game launch with a shitstorm of both negative reviews, youtube videos and low player retention/numbers, I would like to see the game launch with a huge, healthy, sustainable community. Atm I don't see this happening in part due to the communications between devs and players, and in part due to the mechanics atm. @admin you need to ask for feedbacks in terms of what is atm the largest unbalances in game and how to fix those (polls, I really, really don't believe that neither the nay-sayers or the yes-men, or quite frankly you, can manage an open forum communication, we're just too competitive and too juvenile for this to happen). 

4: Rather than having a bundle of threads covering all sort of issues/subjects - close down and erase all forum threads and make it so only @admin can generate threads and @admin should stick to polls, limited issues/topics centered around core mechanics issues and a roadmap to release that is realistic (not in terms of deadlines, but in terms of a functioning game).

5: Release the game in a playable state that isn't too skewed in favor of the enfranchised factions.

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5 hours ago, admin said:

The irony :).

For many censorship is when they are censored. When they ban themselves it is free speech (because its their platform).
They only complain about censorship when it is about them, but then censor you the second you post something they don't like, or does not fit their agenda. 


I am also sure everyone who complained about unfair removals of messages here  WONT complain about unfair removal of hachi content on that channel. 

Which channel and what was the comment?.  Hachi censored himself on the reddit thread when he decided no one liked his comments.  

Also a key point your missing here is the youtuber's content is free.  Yours is not.  Do continue to compare apples and oranges tho.

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51 minutes ago, Meraun said:

No Offense, but we shoudnt go into Politics since we have more then enough controversy already.  No Reason to start even more due Political views on the World.

Free speech is a basic right not political. 

 

23 minutes ago, Socialism said:

Which channel and what was the comment?.  Hachi censored himself on the reddit thread when he decided no one liked his comments.  

Also a key point your missing here is the youtuber's content is free.  Yours is not.  Do continue to compare apples and oranges tho.

On sids video. Please explain facts for the rest of your statement. I have a reddit profile. You probably know who he is but when did I delete 1 post?  Ask sid about a post he deleted from Bill Kerman. 

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8 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

Free speech is a basic right not political. 

 

On sids video. Please explain facts for the rest of your statement. I have a reddit profile. You probably know who he is but when did I delete 1 post?  Ask sid about a post he deleted from Bill Kerman. 

Free speech is public right not a private one. When on your own private land you can be as non pc as you want. It isnt about free speech though, It is about costumer relations , this is where devs got problem. No one can change their behaviour but them. The ones who will be losing finansicly on it is them though. And i doubt if fighting negative reviews will help you, internet is waaaay to big to censorship it.

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21 minutes ago, HachiRoku said:

Free speech is a basic right not political. 

 

On sids video. Please explain facts for the rest of your statement. I have a reddit profile. You probably know who he is but when did I delete 1 post?  Ask sid about a post he deleted from Bill Kerman. 

There's a simple misconception in Sids vid, that ships has to be bought again and again, which I actually think is deliberately misleading since he gets the redeemable part correct when it comes to the paints.

Nobody can take Sids vids for anything but a deluded mans rantings.. He's miscredited as far as I know all over the internet.. It has however nothing to do with the current topic.

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Dear Admin, you are creating a grate game.

Now please stop do philosophical discussion about free speech and just unbann people, who criticized you with reasonable arguments, like banished did.

Just tell him: No, we dont brake the steam rules, because of this, this and this. Bring arguments and facts, like you always did!

With love and respect

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8 minutes ago, Koveras said:

There's a simple misconception in Sids vid, that ships has to be bought again and again, which I actually think is deliberately misleading since he gets the redeemable part correct when it comes to the paints.

Nobody can take Sids vids for anything but a deluded mans rantings.. He's miscredited as far as I know all over the internet.. It has however nothing to do with the current topic.

It doesn't matter if he is right or wrong. A game critic that writes an article or makes a video without reviewing the product himself is not to be taken serious. Clean price gaming is also a channel that is guilty of that. 

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Nerves lie open this is surely true for both sides, devs and players. So my advice is to publish this game as soon as possible so that the painstaking period we now live in (nobody has really the nerve to play properly) will eventually come to an end.

Edit: and stop insulting anybody this won't improve anything.

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9 minutes ago, manuva85 said:

Only if victim decides to actually sue. 

If it actually is defamation and open lies you got to ask yourself why we didnt get information about legal actions taken in defence of Naval Action honour?

You're a stakeholder of game-labs? Then ask managers why they didn't inform you about this offense against your company. Defamation is liable to public prosecution. And yes, Banished's video contains several elements of an offense as well. Not only that he suggests being banned for writing something in forum, he also spreads several insults where devs were compared with Adolf Hitler.

But to become serious again. This problem will not be solved with criminal law, but with better communication of the company with its clients. Devs have to accept that 99% of players don't want to destroy game-labs but want to play an awesome game after release. Our critic (and yes I wrote a bad review as well a few months ago), is not meant as offense but as a push to go into another direction, since a lot of us think this game will fail otherwise. And Naval Action has such a promising basic idea that it would hurt me personally very hard, if it would have a bad end.

If it comes to cost of the game, I probably would complain about my energy supplier, since he gets the most of what I spend for the game. Anyway I didn't buy all of the DLCs because I didn't want to reward devs for going into the wrong direction too often. But trust us, we will spend the money you deserve after you have released the best game ever. There is no need to make the game worse to lead us into DLCs. (15 combat medals for Surprise?!!!!)

Go ahead. Do your job. And proof Banished Privateer wrong (he is only a kid, by the way, why taking him so serious?).

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5 hours ago, Vernon Merrill said:

I’ll take someone who has actually learned a trade/occupation over someone who lives via the public teat any day of the week 

You don’t have to be of the “political class” to be a good politician.  

Sure, how hard is it to run the country after all? Let's choose someone who will learn on the fly.

I wonder why we don't think the same about our doctors, pilots and architects. After all, their jobs have less at stake. It's a strange culture we live in.

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2 minutes ago, vazco said:

Sure, how hard is it to run the country after all? Let's choose someone who will learn on the fly.

I wonder why we don't think the same about our doctors, pilots and architects. After all, their jobs have less at stake. It's a strange culture we live in.

Are you really equating technical know-how with conveying and advocating policy?

You DO know that "leaders" don't actually create budgets or, you know, build jets... right?

 

 

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5 hours ago, Powderhorn said:

Things mods know:  Big ticket items being worked on.

Things mods are asked:  When is X happening?

Dear US Liaison, oh wait we don't have any of those yet.  

 

Dear Mods and Dev Team,

There was a patch today and @admin has not posted the notes on it. Can we get a post of the info about the patch.  Players have been asking and I would like to relay back to them any info or update that was done so they can be informed.  If nothing was done than please just state such.  Also players are asking about the DLC as they show in game but not steam shop.  Can we get a confirmation of that we are only waiting on steam to release them fully.  We know some have been given to a selected few (THE ELITE OF THE ELITE), but that doens't explain why the rest of us doesn't have the Pandora yet.  

Thanks 

Just some Player with concerns and questions.

 

 

Ok this post is about communication....it's not in ya'lls ball park.

 

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3 hours ago, Socialism said:

Which channel and what was the comment?.  Hachi censored himself on the reddit thread when he decided no one liked his comments.  

Also a key point your missing here is the youtuber's content is free.  Yours is not.  Do continue to compare apples and oranges tho.

ok since you have still not provided evidence I will link the forums my profile. I just need to prove what kind of compulsive lier you are. I won't hide the fact I have a topic on reddit that would get me banned on these forums and damage the relation ship we have so far but since I want to prove to everyone what kind of character you have I will link it.  This is what got you banned before right? Making up random nonsense that suits your non existing argument. 

Maybe I did delete a post I really don't know but If I did it wasn't about naval action because my first naval action post on reddit was http://prntscr.com/n7jbpl

No worrys it is only a 10 post/2 topic profile and you can do the maths yourself if you know how the karma thing works. 

https://www.reddit.com/user/MiserableDave 

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14 hours ago, Vernon Merrill said:

Are you really equating technical know-how with conveying and advocating policy?

You DO know that "leaders" don't actually create budgets or, you know, build jets... right?

 

 

At least in my country they do create budgets and they do form governments, which do handle stuff much more complex and meaningful than jets. Which country do you live in if you have other people than politicians handle the government? 

 

Btw, policies are defining the difference between eg. Switzerland and North Korea. They're not "just" policies, even if impact is spread in time. 

It's strange that in our culture well known rock stars have all the respect and politicians have little, that politicians have advantage when they're incompetent and without experience. It was different in the past. Social media, which we discuss here, are much related to this in fact :)

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20 minutes ago, vazco said:

At least in my country they do create budgets and they do form governments, which do handle stuff much more complex and meaningful than jets. Which country do you live in if you have other people than politicians handle the government? 

 

Btw, policies are defining the difference between eg. Switzerland and North Korea. They're not "just" policies, even if impact is spread in time. 

It's strange that in our culture we'll known rock stars have all the respect and politicians have little, that politicians have advantage when they're incompetent and without experience. It was different in the past. Social media, which we discuss here, are much related to this in fact :)

In western world politicians do stay in the light but they are more of a proxies. Real work is done by civic servants who are not connected with any politican and they do not change with goverments. They are true specialists and they stay in the shadows. Not to mention lobbying system of USA that makes big capital the real deciders in politics. 

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10 hours ago, admin said:

It will get worse. Polarization will continue and we will see the total removal of free speech from the internet in the next 10-15 years. It will spread from the east (china, singapore) and when western governments realize that they cant control the masses if masses can speak on social media to millions of other people they will start removing all dissent and opposition from social media. Its already starting.

In civilized societies you don't need to "control the masses" in order to keep them from "speaking on social media to millions of other people". We don't have totalitarism. And I believe we can defend those our civilized standards, such as free speech, against those who would like to have it suppressed, as it constantly gives sexy example how it could be in their countries...

Isn't Ukraine a great example for getting free from that totalitarism of the past, as she links up with the West? Be more confident in this.

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1 hour ago, Socialism said:

Time to give these valued testers their pandora before they become a DLC

Since we know they can give them out, they should of gave every one note to test while we wait on the DLC to be approved and installed in STEAM.  This will also encourage folks to want the other ships if they where given one each of them too.

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9 hours ago, admin said:

It's a nature of the modern world. Fake news spread faster.
Thats why the creator of the video deliberately chose wrong info (so he can get more comments)
Ship Ratings system was mentioned incorrectly (ON PURPOSE) and is half of the comments
Lie about us faking all the comments on steam forums also caused comments

Comments = youtube pushes you higher for views.

Gamers love a good corporate villan; I think this youtuber simply leapt head-first into something he didn't know enough about and made a sloppy video, taking a lot of hints from Banished. His whole channel and his audience feeds off of the "hello kitty the devs" mentality.

Best thing to do is to keep your chin up and keep moving forward to release. Prove them wrong- damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! 

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38 minutes ago, Cetric de Cornusiac said:

In civilized societies you don't need to "control the masses" in order to keep them from "speaking on social media to millions of other people". We don't have totalitarism. And I believe we can defend those our civilized standards, such as free speech, against those who would like to have it suppressed, as it constantly gives sexy example how it could be in their countries...

Isn't Ukraine a great example for getting free from that totalitarism of the past, as she links up with the West? Be more confident in this.

Leave the politics and "how the societies are organised" thing be. Because what you stated here shows that you have no idea what are you talking about. At all.

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2 hours ago, HachiRoku said:

ok since you have still not provided evidence I will link the forums my profile. I just need to prove what kind of compulsive lier you are. I won't hide the fact I have a topic on reddit that would get me banned on these forums and damage the relation ship we have so far but since I want to prove to everyone what kind of character you have I will link it.  This is what got you banned before right? Making up random nonsense that suits your non existing argument. 

Maybe I did delete a post I really don't know but If I did it wasn't about naval action because my first naval action post on reddit was http://prntscr.com/n7jbpl

No worrys it is only a 10 post/2 topic profile and you can do the maths yourself if you know how the karma thing works. 

https://www.reddit.com/user/MiserableDave 

that comment is no longer in the the thread.  take a look.

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